Icebrood Saga Finale [Spoiler Discussion]

[EdwinLi.1284]

Well it is almost time for the finale. Looks like we will have another Dragon Respond map or a new Finale Elder Dragons Meta fight here.

Looks like we may kill both Jormag and Primordus from what the trailer shows.

Will give my opinion about the Storyline finale once released.

[Daniel Handler.4816]

What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

[EdwinLi.1284]

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

It is probably going down into the category that, it was always a assumption because we never actually see what will happen if more Elder Dragons are killed. Only assumed that the World maybe destroyed because of DATA assumed it maybe destroyed.

However, that is the nature of Scientific Theories being we can never know if it is true or not from data alone. We must actually witness the results directly to be certain it will happen. So for all this time we had only tried to prevent the death of other Elder Dragons because by theory the world maybe destroyed because of over flowing magical energy due to scientific data gathered on what may happen.

Though this does goes back to a thought I had in the past being that the Elder Dragons only consume current existing energy and then release some of it back into the world once they fall asleep. However, there was a time before Elder Dragons existed thus all that magic energy consumed should be the original amount that the world once had before the Elder Dragon Cycle. The world should by theory be able to handle all that Magical Energy because maybe the original amount of magical energy from the world before the whole Elder Dragon Cycle existed.

[Daniel Handler.4816]

@EdwinLi.1284 said:

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

It is probably going down into the category that, it was always a assumption because we never actually see what will happen if more Elder Dragons are killed. Only assumed that the World maybe destroyed because of DATA assumed it maybe destroyed.

There is volatile magic everywhere. The simulation was pretty unnecessary.

[EdwinLi.1284]

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:

@EdwinLi.1284 said:

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

It is probably going down into the category that, it was always a assumption because we never actually see what will happen if more Elder Dragons are killed. Only assumed that the World maybe destroyed because of DATA assumed it maybe destroyed.

There is volatile magic everywhere. The simulation was pretty unnecessary.

yes and that was one of the data used to create the theory that the world maybe destroyed if more Elder Dragons died.

Of course Taimi could not make this theory without other datas since seeing Volatile magic everywhere will be like screaming the Earth is about to explode because random earthquakes are happening around the area someone lives in.

Keep in mind the location we have been in for GW2 is only around 15% to 20% of the entire planet due to Elder Dragons blocking off all paths out of the current known location. We never learned anything about the rest of the 80% of the planet. For all we know the Volatile magic energy may have only appeared within the locations we can play in the game while the rest of the world, other than Cantha, remained ignorant of the Elder Dragons.

[Sir Alric.5078]

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@EdwinLi.1284 said:

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

It is probably going down into the category that, it was always a assumption because we never actually see what will happen if more Elder Dragons are killed. Only assumed that the World maybe destroyed because of DATA assumed it maybe destroyed.

However, that is the nature of Scientific Theories being we can never know if it is true or not from data alone. We must actually witness the results directly to be certain it will happen. So for all this time we had only tried to prevent the death of other Elder Dragons because by theory the world maybe destroyed because of over flowing magical energy due to scientific data gathered on what may happen.

Though this does goes back to a thought I had in the past being that the Elder Dragons only consume current existing energy and then release some of it back into the world once they fall asleep. However, there was a time before Elder Dragons existed thus all that magic energy consumed should be the original amount that the world once had before the Elder Dragon Cycle. The world should by theory be able to handle all that Magical Energy because maybe the original amount of magical energy from the world before the whole Elder Dragon Cycle existed.

 

It's not just Taimi's theory though. There is also the vision given to us by Omad's machine in living world season two, the vision given to us by the Eye of Jantir at the end of living world season three (which showed what would happen to the world in the event Balthazar succeded in killing Kralkatorrik), and also the vision given to us by the forgotten in Kesho during PoF (which, again, showed dire consequences for the world in the event of magical imbalance). Not to mention all that stuff that happened with ley line anomalies appearing in several areas right after Mordremoth's death, showing us that magic was indeed starting to go haywire.

Let's not try to sugar-coat this. This is not a case of an old theory being disproven by a more recent discovery, this is just a plain old retcon. The writers at Anet have probably simply decided that they want to end the dragon storyline asap so they can move on to other stuff (it has been almost nine years after all), even if they have to rush to an ending and throw years of established lore out of the window while doing so.

Edited July 14, 2021 by Sir Alric.5078

[Bast.7253]

@Sir Alric.5078 said:

@EdwinLi.1284 said:

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

It is probably going down into the category that, it was always a assumption because we never actually see what will happen if more Elder Dragons are killed. Only assumed that the World maybe destroyed because of DATA assumed it maybe destroyed.

However, that is the nature of Scientific Theories being we can never know if it is true or not from data alone. We must actually witness the results directly to be certain it will happen. So for all this time we had only tried to prevent the death of other Elder Dragons because by theory the world maybe destroyed because of over flowing magical energy due to scientific data gathered on what may happen.

Though this does goes back to a thought I had in the past being that the Elder Dragons only consume current existing energy and then release some of it back into the world once they fall asleep. However, there was a time before Elder Dragons existed thus all that magic energy consumed should be the original amount that the world once had before the Elder Dragon Cycle. The world should by theory be able to handle all that Magical Energy because maybe the original amount of magical energy from the world before the whole Elder Dragon Cycle existed.

It's not just Taimi's theory though. There is also the vision given to us by Omad's machine in living world season two, the vision given to us by the Eye of Jantir at the end of living world season three (which showed what would happen to the world in the event Balthazar succeded in killing Kralkatorrik), and also the vision given to us by the forgotten in Kesho during PoF (which, again, showed dire consequences for the world in the event of magical imbalance). Not to mention all that stuff that happened with ley line anomalies appearing in several areas right after Mordremoth's death, showing us that magic was indeed starting to go haywire.

Let's not try to sugar-coat this. This is not a case of an old theory being disproven by a more recent discovery, this is just a plain old retcon. The writers at Anet have probably simply decided that they want to end the dragon storyline asap so they can move on to other stuff (it has been almost nine years after all), even if they have to rush to an ending and throw years of established lore out of the window while doing so.

Who needs consistency when you can have a few lines of witty banter and Braham pouting though.

I doubt they've forgotten but I'd hope they would explain a little of this in the episode or follow up. I have even less faith after this trailer but it was pretty light so I imagine there will be something important in this conclusion they're intentionally leaving out.

[Tseison.4659]

Let’s just get this over with so we can get info on EoD already...

[EdwinLi.1284]

@Sir Alric.5078 said:

@EdwinLi.1284 said:

@"Daniel Handler.4816" said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

It is probably going down into the category that, it was always a assumption because we never actually see what will happen if more Elder Dragons are killed. Only assumed that the World maybe destroyed because of DATA assumed it maybe destroyed.

However, that is the nature of Scientific Theories being we can never know if it is true or not from data alone. We must actually witness the results directly to be certain it will happen. So for all this time we had only tried to prevent the death of other Elder Dragons because by theory the world maybe destroyed because of over flowing magical energy due to scientific data gathered on what may happen.

Though this does goes back to a thought I had in the past being that the Elder Dragons only consume current existing energy and then release some of it back into the world once they fall asleep. However, there was a time before Elder Dragons existed thus all that magic energy consumed should be the original amount that the world once had before the Elder Dragon Cycle. The world should by theory be able to handle all that Magical Energy because maybe the original amount of magical energy from the world before the whole Elder Dragon Cycle existed.

It's not just Taimi's theory though. There is also the vision given to us by Omad's machine in living world season two, the vision given to us by the Eye of Jantir at the end of living world season three (which showed what would happen to the world in the event Balthazar succeded in killing Kralkatorrik), and also the vision given to us by the forgotten in Kesho during PoF (which, again, showed dire consequences for the world in the event of magical imbalance). Not to mention all that stuff that happened with ley line anomalies appearing in several areas right after Mordremoth's death, showing us that magic was indeed starting to go haywire.

Let's not try to sugar-coat this. This is not a case of an old theory being disproven by a more recent discovery, this is just a plain old retcon. The writers at Anet have probably simply decided that they want to end the dragon storyline asap so they can move on to other stuff (it has been almost nine years after all), even if they have to rush to an ending and throw years of established lore out of the window while doing so.

Sugar coat or not, it has been theorized already that Glint's Legacy should stabalize the cycle by replacing all Elder Dragons already.

At this point, we should have been long past killing all Elder Dragons would end the world story wise but for developer's own reasons they have dragged on "Killing Elder Dragons is bad" idea when they established the solution already. Unless something has been missing due to nothing filling the "vacancies" left by each Elder Dragon. The entire point of Glint's Legacy was to completely replace the old Elder Dragon cycle to begin with which we all know can never be done unless all Elder Dragons are gone since mentally and their own personal belief wise will never stop as long they live and the "vancancies" left by them are filled by the new system that is meant to be established by Glint's Legacy.

Story wise, the only reason Aurene has not completed this plan yet is because she fears that she may become no different from them or cannot handle the powers of all Elder Dragons by herself, though this was not presented so well since it was only a short dialogue between the Commander, Aurene, and Jormag about how Aurene has done nothing directly due to her fear. This maybe the reason as one of my guess to why we go to Cantha so we can have a group of selected Canthan Dragons who have Aurene's mind set replace each Elder Dragon in the new system.

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Addition comment edit:

That aside, it has been a bit obvious from the beginning of GW2 that they are going to kill off all Elder Dragons.

The GW2 story basically gone through what I call the 7 steps of storytelling.

1) Introduce the Hero and present their first victory. (Zhaitan Arc)

2) present a consequence for their Victory. (Living World 2 story)

3) Search for a solution for that consequence. (Living World 2 story to HoT)

4) Prepare the solution to resolve the consequence. (Living World 3 story to PoF story Arc to Living World 4 story)

5) Go through a "Doubt if this will work" story arc to add more drama. (Icebrood Saga/Champions) (basically Aurene is questioning currently if she can handle replacing all Elder Dragons which is why she refuse to act directly due to fear she may upset the Balance by defeating all remaining Elder Dragons and ends up unable to handle all that magic either ending up like her grandfather Kralkatorrik or unable to control it and it causes her to explode with the planet)

6) Present a "This will work and everyone now is certain it will work" story arc

7) Finish what the original goal is finale.

[Bast.7253]

@EdwinLi.1284 said:

@Sir Alric.5078 said:

@EdwinLi.1284 said:

@"Daniel Handler.4816" said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

It is probably going down into the category that, it was always a assumption because we never actually see what will happen if more Elder Dragons are killed. Only assumed that the World maybe destroyed because of DATA assumed it maybe destroyed.

However, that is the nature of Scientific Theories being we can never know if it is true or not from data alone. We must actually witness the results directly to be certain it will happen. So for all this time we had only tried to prevent the death of other Elder Dragons because by theory the world maybe destroyed because of over flowing magical energy due to scientific data gathered on what may happen.

Though this does goes back to a thought I had in the past being that the Elder Dragons only consume current existing energy and then release some of it back into the world once they fall asleep. However, there was a time before Elder Dragons existed thus all that magic energy consumed should be the original amount that the world once had before the Elder Dragon Cycle. The world should by theory be able to handle all that Magical Energy because maybe the original amount of magical energy from the world before the whole Elder Dragon Cycle existed.

It's not just Taimi's theory though. There is also the vision given to us by Omad's machine in living world season two, the vision given to us by the Eye of Jantir at the end of living world season three (which showed what would happen to the world in the event Balthazar succeded in killing Kralkatorrik), and also the vision given to us by the forgotten in Kesho during PoF (which, again, showed dire consequences for the world in the event of magical imbalance). Not to mention all that stuff that happened with ley line anomalies appearing in several areas right after Mordremoth's death, showing us that magic was indeed starting to go haywire.

Let's not try to sugar-coat this. This is not a case of an old theory being disproven by a more recent discovery, this is just a plain old retcon. The writers at Anet have probably simply decided that they want to end the dragon storyline asap so they can move on to other stuff (it has been almost nine years after all), even if they have to rush to an ending and throw years of established lore out of the window while doing so.

Sugar coat or not, it has been theorized already that Glint's Legacy should stabalize the cycle by replacing all Elder Dragons already.

At this point, we should have been long past killing all Elder Dragons would end the world story wise but for developer's own reasons they have dragged on "Killing Elder Dragons is bad" idea when they established the solution already. Unless something has been missing due to nothing filling the "vacancies" left by each Elder Dragon. The entire point of Glint's Legacy was to completely replace the old Elder Dragon cycle to begin with which we all know can never be done unless all Elder Dragons are gone since mentally and their own personal belief wise will never stop as long they live and the "vancancies" left by them are filled by the new system that is meant to be established by Glint's Legacy.

Story wise, the only reason Aurene has not completed this plan yet is because she fears that she may become no different from them or cannot handle the powers of all Elder Dragons by herself, though this was not presented so well since it was only a short dialogue between the Commander, Aurene, and Jormag about how Aurene has done nothing directly due to her fear. This maybe the reason as one of my guess to why we go to Cantha so we can have a group of selected Canthan Dragons who have Aurene's mind set replace each Elder Dragon in the new system.

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Addition comment edit:

That aside, it has been a bit obvious from the beginning of GW2 that they are going to kill off all Elder Dragons.

The GW2 story basically gone through what I call the 7 steps of storytelling.

1) Introduce the Hero and present their first victory. (Zhaitan Arc)

2) present a consequence for their Victory. (Living World 2 story)

3) Search for a solution for that consequence. (Living World 2 story to HoT)

4) Prepare the solution to resolve the consequence. (Living World 3 story to PoF story Arc to Living World 4 story)

5) Go through a "Doubt if this will work" story arc to add more drama. (Icebrood Saga/Champions) (basically Aurene is questioning currently if she can handle replacing all Elder Dragons which is why she refuse to act directly due to fear she may upset the Balance by defeating all remaining Elder Dragons and ends up unable to handle all that magic either ending up like her grandfather Kralkatorrik or unable to control it and it causes her to explode with the planet)

6) Present a "This will work and everyone now is certain it will work" story arc

7) Finish what the original goal is finale.

Pretty sure Aurene and Vlast were just meant to replace the two dead dragons referred to in the Kesho cinematic. Which people were assuming was Zhaitan and Mordremoth. But I could see a spin of it being Primordus and Jormag as it spoke of both dragons being eliminated at the same time. But, "same time" could reference a much larger frame of time and still be Zhaitan and Mordremoth as a few years apart is relatively close in comparison to an eternity.

But if there plan was to have Aurene be the replacement to all it seems like they could add a few lines of dialogue with Aurene or Taimi or something to elaborate on it. Outside of convenience there's nothing really indicating that Aurene can solely balance the magic or the All.

[The Greyhawk.9107]

I concur with the sentiment that this is a straight retcon done out of incompetent and rushed writing. They've literally invalidated just about the entirety of the Path Of Fire plot, unless they go and make Aurene a full blown Mary Sue and make her "The One Elder Dragon" that can manage the balance of the All and the levels of magic by herself.

Prove me wrong, Arenanet. Whether or not I send my hard earned money on your next expansion may depend on it.

[Sajuuk Khar.1509]

@"The Greyhawk.9107" said:I concur with the sentiment that this is a straight retcon done out of incompetent and rushed writing. They've literally invalidated just about the entirety of the Path Of Fire plot, unless they go and make Aurene a full blown Mary Sue and make her "The One Elder Dragon" that can manage the balance of the All and the levels of magic by herself.Well, thats literally what was set up in LWS4 with what Glint says during the trials, and what Kralk says during the final fight inside him.

@Bast.7253 said:Outside of convenience there's nothing really indicating that Aurene can solely balance the magic or the All.Besides Kralk specifically pointing out that Aurene is unlike the other elder Dragons, and that the magics do not conflict inside her, at the end of War Eternal.

[The Greyhawk.9107]

@Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

@"The Greyhawk.9107" said:I concur with the sentiment that this is a straight retcon done out of incompetent and rushed writing. They've literally invalidated just about the entirety of the Path Of Fire plot, unless they go and make Aurene a full blown Mary Sue and make her "The One Elder Dragon" that can manage the balance of the All and the levels of magic by herself.Well, thats literally what was set up in LWS4 with what Glint says during the trials, and what Kralk says during the final fight inside him.

@Bast.7253 said:Outside of convenience there's nothing really indicating that Aurene can solely balance the magic or the All.Besides Kralk specifically pointing out that Aurene is unlike the other elder Dragons, and that the magics do not conflict inside her, at the end of War Eternal.

It's interesting that you think that, since a plurality of us took that to mean that Aurene wouldn't or was less likely to go insane and start genociding all other life while ravenous consuming all magic as opposed to being able to fill all six spheres of the All and regulate any entire planets worth of magic by herself when it previously required six dragons. I'm inclined to believe we were reasonable to think so, as the only real difference between Aurene and the other ED'S is that she was raised by, bonded to, and empathizes with the mortal races of Tyria.

[Bast.7253]

@Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

@"The Greyhawk.9107" said:I concur with the sentiment that this is a straight retcon done out of incompetent and rushed writing. They've literally invalidated just about the entirety of the Path Of Fire plot, unless they go and make Aurene a full blown Mary Sue and make her "The One Elder Dragon" that can manage the balance of the All and the levels of magic by herself.Well, thats literally what was set up in LWS4 with what Glint says during the trials, and what Kralk says during the final fight inside him.

@"Bast.7253" said:Outside of convenience there's nothing really indicating that Aurene can solely balance the magic or the All.Besides Kralk specifically pointing out that Aurene is unlike the other elder Dragons, and that the magics do not conflict inside her, at the end of War Eternal.

I mean, it's not really the "conflicting magic" that's the cause for concern in relation to The All.

Also, in the guild chat after that release they hinted that Aurene could succumb to the same madness. I suppose it's an indication that it's a possibility that she can withstand multiple types of magic, divine and elder dragon, etc. But it doesn't indicate that she can balance The All by herself.

I mean I don't really care either way at this point. Just make her balance The All, all magics, replace all dragons. It's whatever. At this point I just want to get the Saga over with. But I do think if that was the plan they could have expanded on it because currently, there hasn't been any precedence to indicate that Aurene can do all of this by herself outside of Kralk saying "she's different" and that the "magic doesn't conflict within her."

We also have to consider the fact that Kralk was thousands of years old, but how many times previously was he or any of the other elder dragons subject to taking on the magic of a dead god/former-god? Kormir took Abaddon.

She may be the "first" of her kind and "unlike the other elder dragons" but the events that have played out have been unlike any previous events. They aren't conflicting now but that doesn't mean she won't feel the effects later on. Unless we're considering the possibility that he had somekind of prophetic vision and saw her potential long-term. Kralk was already conflicted and tormented before taking on Balthazar's magic but how quickly would he have been affected Eons ago before the torment set in?

[Narcemus.1348]

Theory. Jormag and Primordus will die. We will wonder what repercussions will occur. Aurene takes in the Elder Dragon magic and takes over Braham and Ryland as her champions. Aurene is capable of channeling the magic of 3 Elder Dragons as long as she disperses it among her 3 champions (Caithe is Crystal, Braham is Fire, Ryland is Ice). Then perhaps we learn something similar is happening in Cantha with Kuunavang.

Not claiming that it makes the most sense (as most elder dragons disperse their magic among minions), but there are comments that Aurene's capacity to share her magic has helped her this far not to be corrupted, so I feel that it makes the most sense as to where the story may go. Add to that, she is called the "Elder Dragon of Light" perhaps her purpose is to refract the magic into safer, smaller vessels.

[Hypnowulf.7403]

So! Neither Jormag nor Primordus will die. That doesn't mean that nothing transformative will happen, however.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

Given all the text, I don't think we'll be seeing either dragon dying tbh. As I've heard others say: it's like the two Elder Dragons are playing pokemon. It's a proxy battle, not a direct conflict - whether Ryland or Braham lives or dies is ultimately irrelevant, because the Elder Dragons both survive that.

What's even sillier, is that Braham and Ryland are just "the current strongest champion". Other than having some free will (tentative, in Braham's case, and seeming to get weaker every moment given "we are Primordus"), Ryland and Braham are nothing special in the scheme of dragon champions and are merely just the current version of Frostfang and The Great Destroyer. Their death means ultimately nothing in the grand scheme of things, because they can be easily replaced. And we've already been killing major champions on both ends (Drakkar, Fraenir, Claw of Jormag, all the DRM bosses, etc.).

So the finale of this conflict, by all appearances by the preview text, has zero consequence other than a direct fight between Elder Dragons being catastrophic for the region (the entire reason why Kormir wouldn't step in, and why in Season 3 we went with Taimi's Machine instead of a kaiju battle), and that says nothing about the unresolved fact that we had 5 years building up a "kill a third Elder Dragon without replacement, the world dies".

But yeah, it's downright upsetting no NPC has approached this in-game. And despite what Sajuuk claims, Glint's and Kralkatorrik's statements do not settle the matter at all. Because "being able to withstand the conflict of multiple types of magic" is not "being able to hold the balance of multiple positions in The All". And even if it did, it would require Aurene to be at ground zero of the next Elder Dragon's death anyways. And that says nothing about Tom Abernathy outright stating that despite Kralkatorrik's words, Aurene can succumb to Torment (which is even an underlying tone in Aurene's side of the story in IBS, particularly Champions, and her indecision - she worries about succumbing to Torment eventually too, leading her to not take in magic and become strong enough to act against Jormag and Primordus, and is instead seeking to maintain the balance between the two without them coming into conflict but this only results in them trying to constantly one-up the other and thus mass destruction and freezing, so good times).

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:

@EdwinLi.1284 said:

@Daniel Handler.4816 said:What happened to don't kill anymore dragons or the world will be destroyed?

It is probably going down into the category that, it was always a assumption because we never actually see what will happen if more Elder Dragons are killed. Only assumed that the World maybe destroyed because of DATA assumed it maybe destroyed.

There is volatile magic everywhere. The simulation was pretty unnecessary.

It's also more than a simulation, but leading experts in Elder Dragons and The All for the past 3,000 years via Exalted, Forgotten, Glint, and now Elder Aurene. Even Jormag talks about balance as a real thing, even if they also believe it's mortal superstition.

[Talan Ondar.4150]

What i would like to see. In the coming finale of IBS both Primordus ans Jormag will be sent back into a dormant state, not killed. I guess both Braham and Ryland will fall victim instead. By us killing them we will weaken both EDs enough to overcome them. This would solve some of the problems of free circling magic and even the problem that the 2 most iconic EDs are still available for future storys. Aurene replace de facto Kralkattorik. Kuunavang (surely misspelled) could do the same for the Deep Sea Dragon. And to bridge the gap to vanilla GW2, who could be better to replace Mordremoth, than the Pale Tree? I just cant figure out who could be the entity who replaces Zhaitan? I guess Mother Tree could fall in in this role too. With Aurene, Kuunavang and Pale Tree we have entitys who freely distribute magic an thus provide a stable magical environment. This leaves the storywriters enough space to go new paths in the future. But whatever comes, i look forward into it and with the help of all the Commanders we will tackle it :)

[Teratus.2859]

@Talan Ondar.4150 said:What i would like to see. In the coming finale of IBS both Primordus ans Jormag will be sent back into a dormant state, not killed. I guess both Braham and Ryland will fall victim instead. By us killing them we will weaken both EDs enough to overcome them. This would solve some of the problems of free circling magic and even the problem that the 2 most iconic EDs are still available for future storys. Aurene replace de facto Kralkattorik. Kuunavang (surely misspelled) could do the same for the Deep Sea Dragon. And to bridge the gap to vanilla GW2, who could be better to replace Mordremoth, than the Pale Tree? I just cant figure out who could be the entity who replaces Zhaitan? I guess Mother Tree could fall in in this role too. With Aurene, Kuunavang and Pale Tree we have entitys who freely distribute magic an thus provide a stable magical environment. This leaves the storywriters enough space to go new paths in the future. But whatever comes, i look forward into it and with the help of all the Commanders we will tackle it :)

Albax should also be another potential candidate though we know very very little about him besides that he was the only Saltspray to avoid being corrupted back in Gw1.If Kuunavang does end up being a potential candidate for Elder Dragon status then Albax in theory should also be capable of ascending as well since they are both Saltspray Dragons of similar power and probably age too.

If Pale Tree can take on the last role then we may have our 3 replacements.. but we don't know for sure if Pale Tree can fill that role.It's highly speculated though since Glint could have replaced Kralk and Aurine did so the direct offspring of a Elder can replace them.But the Pale Tree is not regarded as Offspring.. more a purified blighting tree.. so it's a maybe I guess.Tequatl got a powerboost after the death of Zhaitan but he didn't become an Elder despite being a champion.

[Sajuuk Khar.1509]

@Konig Des Todes.2086 said:Given all the text, I don't think we'll be seeing either dragon dying tbh.Literally the first line on the preview page under the trailer.https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/april-27-2021/Dragonstorm: Join the Final BattleThere’s little time left to save Tyria from a cataclysm of ice or fire. An evenly matched head-to-head fight between Primordus and Jormag will destroy them both, and each dragon is desperate to gain an advantage. Tip the scales to ensure they can’t hide behind Braham and Ryland forever.The text says we are drawing the dragons out from behind Braham and Ryland, so that they do have to go face to face and destroy each other.

@Konig Des Todes.2086 said:And even if it did, it would require Aurene to be at ground zero of the next Elder Dragon's death anywaysNot really. Its been previously stated that the Dragon's magic naturally flows to the other dragons once they die. And given that this final battle is seemingly happening otuside the EoTN, she kinda is right there.