ranger elite spec icon speculate and theme

[Lazze.9870]

16 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said:

so the danger is there of getting another range spec for us =\

 

Wouldn't be the end of the world if it isn't full of projectiles. But I wouldn't be surprised if they even found a way to cram projectiles onto a scepter.

 

Hammer is the dream though. Hammer and boon rip. Or just good damage and CC.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Lazze.9870

[anduriell.6280]

Let’s see I have my suspicions the ranger reveal will be the last…. Which I am not sure it’s a good sign. 

[Pirindolo.9427]

19 hours ago, Lazze.9870 said:

 

Wouldn't be the end of the world if it isn't full of projectiles. But I wouldn't be surprised if they even found a way to cram projectiles onto a scepter.

 

Hammer is the dream though. Hammer and boon rip. Or just good damage and CC.

Boon rip,  so it makes hammer a complete garbage for regular PVE, redundant for instanced content (since we have tons of boon ripping already), and only useful for PVP and WVW? No thanks.

 

We need hammer to become for the first time BIL weapon for any class in regular PVE, so damage galore, please.

Edited August 15, 2021 by Pirindolo.9427

[Lazze.9870]

1 hour ago, Pirindolo.9427 said:

Boon rip,  so it makes hammer a complete garbage for regular PVE, redundant for instanced content (since we have tons of boon ripping already), and only useful for PVP and WVW? No thanks.

 

We need hammer to become for the first time BIL weapon for any class in regular PVE, so damage galore, please.

 

Put your PvE blinders off, will you?

 

Druid is strong in PvE (well, spirits are, druid is a good spirit bot) while being an awful support in pvp/wvw. Soulbeast is the best damage spec ranger will ever get in PvE. Nothing will beat it. It trades the worst part of ranger when it comes to dealing damage for extra stats and skills. A hammer spec won't kittening outdamage it anyway.

 

No thanks? You know what I say no thanks to? A third elite spec and still having my main class shunned away from WvW content.

Edited August 15, 2021 by Lazze.9870

[Kodama.6453]

1 hour ago, Pirindolo.9427 said:

Boon rip,  so it makes hammer a complete garbage for regular PVE, redundant for instanced content (since we have tons of boon ripping already), and only useful for PVP and WVW? No thanks.

 

We need hammer to become for the first time BIL weapon for any class in regular PVE, so damage galore, please.

Scrapper hammer has been the best weapon for engineer with scrapper.

[anduriell.6280]

15 minutes ago, Kodama.6453 said:

Scrapper hammer has been the best weapon for engineer with scrapper.

That is definitely true although for ranger hammer would need to play with an skill set closer to GS with CC in focus. 

 
Boon rip could come with the utilities skills and definitely ranger needs that. 
 

It would be nice (although I don’t know how to effective) the pets would combo hammer attacks like if the ranger hit with a CC the pet automatically does a dps attack to the target. 
 

[Aleksander Suburb.4287]

7 hours ago, anduriell.6280 said:

Let’s see I have my suspicions the ranger reveal will be the last…. Which I am not sure it’s a good sign. 

I think the same. And it will become a rifle ranger with 5 great projectile skills ... tadaaa. But sry guys, we don't have time for proper beta event or changes, we must release a week later 🙂 ... *cough* 3. heart of thorns beta *cough*

Edited August 15, 2021 by Aleksander Suburb.4287

[Aphandra.9672]

On 8/13/2021 at 11:13 PM, Gotejjeken.1267 said:

But on the flip side two of the specs are already melee focused, so the danger is there of getting another range spec for us =\

I chose the Ranger and Elementalist as my two initial / main classes because I like the archer and wizard fantasies and playstyles.

Even the name, it's not even "hunter", it's range-r.

Point is, how many actually like druid and soulbeast as opposed how many have to play it to feel appropriate. I didn't recognize anything but longbow rangers in the outside world yet.

 

Of course, if core ranger is / will be completely fine and accepted (downplay from "wanted"), it's fine with me to have additional specialisations I don't really touch. Four playstyles, pick your poison.

... Okay, the problem is the interaction design, people don't heal health bars but cast area of effect with a small radius so absolutely everyone must play melee and clump up while providing same utility. Gotcha. (Hyperbole. But I suspect this might be a factor both in design and execution.)

 

Guns would make sense as... you know the incoming pun, I don't have to write it.

[Pirindolo.9427]

7 hours ago, Kodama.6453 said:

Scrapper hammer has been the best weapon for engineer with scrapper.

Scrapper has never been a decent class for PVE, so we are still waiting for a PVE decent, if not meta class, that has Hammer as BIS weapon

Edited August 15, 2021 by Pirindolo.9427

[Pirindolo.9427]

8 hours ago, Lazze.9870 said:

 

Put your PvE blinders off, will you?

 

Druid is strong in PvE (well, spirits are, druid is a good spirit bot) while being an awful support in pvp/wvw. Soulbeast is the best damage spec ranger will ever get in PvE. Nothing will beat it. It trades the worst part of ranger when it comes to dealing damage for extra stats and skills. A hammer spec won't kittening outdamage it anyway.

 

No thanks? You know what I say no thanks to? A third elite spec and still having my main class shunned away from WvW content.

My blinders are as respectable as yours or as any other ones, right?

[Gotejjeken.1267]

1 hour ago, Aphandra.9672 said:

I chose the Ranger and Elementalist as my two initial / main classes because I like the archer and wizard fantasies and playstyles.

Even the name, it's not even "hunter", it's range-r.

Point is, how many actually like druid and soulbeast as opposed how many have to play it to feel appropriate. I didn't recognize anything but longbow rangers in the outside world yet.

 

Of course, if core ranger is / will be completely fine and accepted (downplay from "wanted"), it's fine with me to have additional specialisations I don't really touch. Four playstyles, pick your poison.

... Okay, the problem is the interaction design, people don't heal health bars but cast area of effect with a small radius so absolutely everyone must play melee and clump up while providing same utility. Gotcha. (Hyperbole. But I suspect this might be a factor both in design and execution.)

 

Guns would make sense as... you know the incoming pun, I don't have to write it.

 

For reference, my posts are almost always coming from a competitive standpoint. 

 

Core ranger is far from 'fine' by the way--I realize you may only see longbow rangers in open world because open world you can use anything.  This does not mean the spec is fine in the least.  

 

I'd do some research on GW1 Warden to understand where those of us that want a melee weapon like hammer are getting our perspective from.  

[Aleksander Suburb.4287]

2 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said:

 

For reference, my posts are almost always coming from a competitive standpoint. 

 

Core ranger is far from 'fine' by the way--I realize you may only see longbow rangers in open world because open world you can use anything.  This does not mean the spec is fine in the least.  

 

I'd do some research on GW1 Warden to understand where those of us that want a melee weapon like hammer are getting our perspective from.  

 

It comes from the ranger/warrior build called bunny thumper. The elite skill of ranger increases the attack speed of pet and your ranger. The ranger uses the hammer with adrenaline skills from the warrior. In this way he can attack without using energy and so he can use all his energy for pet healing and the expensive elite skill. The increased attack speed produces more adrenaline, so the ranger can use expensive adrenalin skills more often than a warrior.

 

It has nothing to do with the wardens. Rangers need some kind of aoe and some kind of non-projectile weapon. Wardens are just some enemies from the kurzick echovald forest.

Edited August 15, 2021 by Aleksander Suburb.4287

[anduriell.6280]

5 hours ago, Aleksander Suburb.4287 said:

I think the same. And it will become a rifle ranger with 5 great projectile skills ... tadaaa. But sry guys, we don't have time for proper beta event or changes, we must release a week later 🙂 ... *cough* 3. heart of thorns beta *cough*

They did have time to destroy the trait lingering light thou  and replaced the orbiting orb and the fun mechanic behind it for a bland passive buff. And with that simple chnage they needed to change a lot of stuff about the celestial avatar because of smart choices. Gosh that tickles me on the wrong side so much....

 

1 hour ago, Aleksander Suburb.4287 said:

 

It comes from the ranger/warrior build called bunny thumper. The elite skill of ranger increases the attack speed of pet and your ranger. The ranger uses the hammer with adrenaline skills from the warrior. In this way he can attack without using energy and so he can use all his energy for pet healing and the expensive elite skill. The increased attack speed produces more adrenaline, so the ranger can use expensive adrenalin skills more often than a warrior.

 

It has nothing to do with the wardens. Rangers need some kind of aoe and some kind of non-projectile weapon. Wardens are just some enemies from the kurzick echovald forest.

I have to say to give addrenaline mechanic to the ranger it wouldnt be that bad of an idea. Having access to the F1 for insta win button would not be that bad and is not like the pet needs that F1-F3 actions, with one switch F3 to attack\return to me action would be enough.

Edited August 15, 2021 by anduriell.6280

[artharon.9276]

Imo it's the one that majority says. And, the theme... looking at the design of the icon and It could be either getting some mesmer abilites like clones or portals or becoming a shape shifter. This time we may turn into the beast. 

[Oberick.9423]

The symbol I think is ranger looks like armor for a pet.  I wonder if it will be more pet focused and Rangers will get maybe a mace to go with a warhorn.

[Gotejjeken.1267]

7 hours ago, Aleksander Suburb.4287 said:

 

It comes from the ranger/warrior build called bunny thumper. The elite skill of ranger increases the attack speed of pet and your ranger. The ranger uses the hammer with adrenaline skills from the warrior. In this way he can attack without using energy and so he can use all his energy for pet healing and the expensive elite skill. The increased attack speed produces more adrenaline, so the ranger can use expensive adrenalin skills more often than a warrior.

 

It has nothing to do with the wardens. Rangers need some kind of aoe and some kind of non-projectile weapon. Wardens are just some enemies from the kurzick echovald forest.

 

I'm not sure if you've seen the livestreams regarding the three revealed specs but you may want to check that out.  The willbender specifically references existing Canthan lore, and all three of them tie into Cantha somehow.  So Warden would be the Ranger's tie into the lore, in both name and function.  

[Lazze.9870]

22 hours ago, Pirindolo.9427 said:

My blinders are as respectable as yours or as any other ones, right?

 

You're the one quoting me to say "no thanks". The objective fact is that ranger is fine in PvE and less fine outside of it.

 

There is no saying a spec with boon strip can't do respectable damage in PvE or that the boon strip needs to be tied to the weapon. Either way, won't outdps soulbeast if you want to be optimal about it, that spec will always remain our best power damage spec for pve unless things are drastically changed.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Lazze.9870

[Kodama.6453]

6 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said:

 

I'm not sure if you've seen the livestreams regarding the three revealed specs but you may want to check that out.  The willbender specifically references existing Canthan lore, and all three of them tie into Cantha somehow.  So Warden would be the Ranger's tie into the lore, in both name and function.  

This is a given, isn't it?

They mentioned from the beginning that all elite specs coming with eod will have lore ties to Cantha in some way.

 

This being said, no elite spec so far has referenced something from GW1 Cantha in their name directly. So maybe the name of rangers might be different, even if they have lore connections to the wardens.

[Aleksander Suburb.4287]

10 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said:

 

I'm not sure if you've seen the livestreams regarding the three revealed specs but you may want to check that out.  The willbender specifically references existing Canthan lore, and all three of them tie into Cantha somehow.  So Warden would be the Ranger's tie into the lore, in both name and function.  

That's right, but the hammer build "bunny thumper" has nothing to do with a warden. And nothing on the icon looks like a warden to me. I've mentioned in anotehr thread that it looks much more like the new siege-turtles with the 2 laserguns 😞

If the new e-spec can transform, I think it would be more possible, that he will transform into a Juggernaut from kurzick side. Maybe there is a pendant on luxon side.

[Gotejjeken.1267]

2 hours ago, Aleksander Suburb.4287 said:

That's right, but the hammer build "bunny thumper" has nothing to do with a warden. And nothing on the icon looks like a warden to me. I've mentioned in anotehr thread that it looks much more like the new siege-turtles with the 2 laserguns 😞

If the new e-spec can transform, I think it would be more possible, that he will transform into a Juggernaut from kurzick side. Maybe there is a pendant on luxon side.

 

Ya I get bunny thumper, I'd just be far happier if it were like the Wardens--just some crazy forest protecters with giant hammers 😄

[Pirindolo.9427]

6 hours ago, Lazze.9870 said:

 

You're the one quoting me to say "no thanks". The objective fact is that ranger is fine in PvE and less fine outside of it.

 

There is no saying a spec with boon strip can't do respectable damage in PvE or that the boon strip needs to be tied to the weapon. Either way, won't outdps soulbeast if you want to be optimal about it, that spec will always remain our best power damage spec for pve unless things are drastically changed.

Well, the only thing that I really want is a class that can use Hammer as BIS weapon to play as "near-to-meta" in PVE. It seems that if that happens with EoD, it will be with ranger's next spec.

[Arrys.7145]

On 8/15/2021 at 10:06 AM, Aphandra.9672 said:

Even the name, it's not even "hunter", it's range-r.

 

More relevant definitions to the profession of ranger....

 

Range - a large area of open land for grazing or hunting 

 

Ranger - a keeper of a park, forest, or area of countryside

 

[Gotejjeken.1267]

So if the box leak is right then we do get hammer...question is, will it make full melee viable again? 

[Levetty.1279]

On 8/15/2021 at 10:39 AM, Lazze.9870 said:

 

Put your PvE blinders off, will you?

 

Druid is strong in PvE (well, spirits are, druid is a good spirit bot) while being an awful support in pvp/wvw. Soulbeast is the best damage spec ranger will ever get in PvE. Nothing will beat it. It trades the worst part of ranger when it comes to dealing damage for extra stats and skills. A hammer spec won't kittening outdamage it anyway.

 

No thanks? You know what I say no thanks to? A third elite spec and still having my main class shunned away from WvW content.

Pull of your PvP blinders.

 

More people play PvE and PvP only specs have never been well received.

[Lazze.9870]

53 minutes ago, Levetty.1279 said:

Pull of your PvP blinders.

 

More people play PvE and PvP only specs have never been well received.

 

What blinders? The ones that make me able to tell you that ranger has gotten two specs in a row that is more than decent in PvE? I'm not asking for PvP only spec, I'm asking for anything that means it can excel in competetive modes, doing something different than what ranger already do and which two elite spec did nothing to change (at a viable level, compared to other professions). Ranger is one out of two classes without a WvW zerg meta build (immobbeast is too niche). It is still stuck being a sidenoder or a second rate +1'er in PvP.

 

Tell me, how is a hammer ranger gonna outdps a soulbeast? Because that's what matters. You can casually play a "PvP spec" (you say specs in plural, but the only PvP spec in this game is spellbreaker and that spec is keeping warrior alive in competetive modes - I think they're okay with that) in PvE and do just fine. But when you join a fractal or a raid, people would want you to play soulbeast anyway. So what difference does it make to you?

Edited August 18, 2021 by Lazze.9870