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I thought that some of you might be interested in a new series Wooden Potatoes wants to start on Youtube :)

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  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭

    Woodenpotatoes is a false god.

    Hate Is Fuel.

  • Kossage.9072Kossage.9072 Member ✭✭✭

    It's been a nice and informative series so far. WP not only reads out loud the fascinating An Empire Divided document (which any GW1 or GW2 fan should read if they even have an inkling of interest in Canthan lore) but also adds his commentary on top of it to give the text's references some context to ease in people who may not be that familiar with Canthan lore. :)

    Some of his speculations are quite amusing and/or eye-opening to me such as him discussing the potential fate of the second emperor Yian Zho's two elder sisters in one of the videos in this series. For example, I've always interpreted the text so that Yian Zho may have gotten rid of his sisters (who curiously vanish from historical records weeks after Yian Zho's ascension to the throne in the aftermath of the rather suspicious death of the first emperor Kaineng Tah) so none could challenge his rule, but WP presents an alternate theory that perhaps the sisters left Cantha with potential like-minded followers and settled somewhere else to found a new dynasty. Both interpretations open some pretty intriguing avenues for plots if the writers decide to explore them more via in-game lore books or otherwise. Just imagine a society with Canthan roots but ruled by women descended from the two sisters rather than following patrilineal succession like the current imperial family does (where the title of "empress" has historically only been bestowed through marriage and has held little real power).

  • Dustfinger.9510Dustfinger.9510 Member ✭✭
    edited April 16, 2020

    (Wrong post)

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2020

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Woodenpotatoes is a false god.

    Meaning he seems like a god but is surprisingly not, or that he's wrongly worshiped and praised?

    HARRY! DIDYA PUT YER NAME IN DA GOBLET OF FIYAH?!

  • Drizzt.1796Drizzt.1796 Member ✭✭

    @Fenom.9457 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Woodenpotatoes is a false god.

    Meaning he seems like a god but is surprisingly not, or that he's wrongly worshiped and praised?

    There is no god but Jesus and his Father, God.

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  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drizzt.1796 said:

    @Fenom.9457 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Woodenpotatoes is a false god.

    Meaning he seems like a god but is surprisingly not, or that he's wrongly worshiped and praised?

    There is no god but Jesus and his Father, God.

    I know, hence him being a false god. I just didn't know if you meant that positively like he could be a god if there were a pantheon or if you meant he was like biblical false gods, receiving undue attention

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  • Drizzt.1796Drizzt.1796 Member ✭✭

    @Fenom.9457 said:
    I know, hence him being a false god. I just didn't know if you meant that positively like he could be a god if there were a pantheon or if you meant he was like biblical false gods, receiving undue attention

    Ahh.

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  • Loesh.4697Loesh.4697 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fenom.9457 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Woodenpotatoes is a false god.

    Meaning he seems like a god but is surprisingly not, or that he's wrongly worshiped and praised?

    I wouldn't say he's a false god per say as he does bring up interesting information from time to time, but I definitely do not think he is the master of lore that some folks claim he is. For example, one of the things about his conversation concerning Icebrood Saga was how he felt Bangar would be a largely sympathetic antagonist and how in his view the Charr were more bestial in nature and did not need to care for their cubs.

    Both of those ideas have not...aged very well.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    Only God is RNGod!

    If you want any good loot in this game you got to work your way through the one system that rules all....

    RNG!

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Loesh.4697 said:

    @Fenom.9457 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Woodenpotatoes is a false god.

    Meaning he seems like a god but is surprisingly not, or that he's wrongly worshiped and praised?

    I wouldn't say he's a false god per say as he does bring up interesting information from time to time, but I definitely do not think he is the master of lore that some folks claim he is. For example, one of the things about his conversation concerning Icebrood Saga was how he felt Bangar would be a largely sympathetic antagonist and how in his view the Charr were more bestial in nature and did not need to care for their cubs.

    Both of those ideas have not...aged very well.

    To be fair that was speculation anyway. But yeah I’ve seen him get a thing or two wrong

    HARRY! DIDYA PUT YER NAME IN DA GOBLET OF FIYAH?!

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Only God is RNGod!

    If you want any good loot in this game you got to work your way through the one system that rules all....

    RNG!

    Don't inflate Zommoros ego any more than it is.. it's hard enough to get anything good from the toilet.

  • The mystic toilet... holds the shinnies

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Silvercyclone.1462 said:

    @Drizzt.1796 said:

    @Fenom.9457 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Woodenpotatoes is a false god.

    Meaning he seems like a god but is surprisingly not, or that he's wrongly worshiped and praised?

    There is no god but Jesus and his Father, God.

    With me being an actual minister I would say your wrong. There are many gods and not everyone worships all of them but if God isnt your god then it doesn't make you any less of a person than anyone else.

    Ok not to get off topic here but... you’re saying you’re a minister, a Christian one? And you believe many gods actually exist? Not what people worship, but that they’re real?

    HARRY! DIDYA PUT YER NAME IN DA GOBLET OF FIYAH?!

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "Ok not to get off topic here..." then you go off topic.

    @Kossage.9072 said:
    It's been a nice and informative series so far. WP not only reads out loud the fascinating An Empire Divided document (which any GW1 or GW2 fan should read if they even have an inkling of interest in Canthan lore) but also adds his commentary on top of it to give the text's references some context to ease in people who may not be that familiar with Canthan lore. :)

    Some of his speculations are quite amusing and/or eye-opening to me such as him discussing the potential fate of the second emperor Yian Zho's two elder sisters in one of the videos in this series. For example, I've always interpreted the text so that Yian Zho may have gotten rid of his sisters (who curiously vanish from historical records weeks after Yian Zho's ascension to the throne in the aftermath of the rather suspicious death of the first emperor Kaineng Tah) so none could challenge his rule, but WP presents an alternate theory that perhaps the sisters left Cantha with potential like-minded followers and settled somewhere else to found a new dynasty. Both interpretations open some pretty intriguing avenues for plots if the writers decide to explore them more via in-game lore books or otherwise. Just imagine a society with Canthan roots but ruled by women descended from the two sisters rather than following patrilineal succession like the current imperial family does (where the title of "empress" has historically only been bestowed through marriage and has held little real power).

    This is a cool idea. I'm excited to see what they end up doing with Cantha!

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  • @Fenom.9457 said:
    Ok not to get off topic here but... you’re saying you’re a minister, a Christian one? And you believe many gods actually exist? Not what people worship, but that they’re real?

    Yes, I'm an actual card holding minister. I can do funerals, weddings, last rights, exorcisms and all that jazz. I don't believe there are multiple gods myself but just saying some faiths believe there are and who are we to tell them that their faith is wrong. By the way my reply was also a joke. Us minister do have a sense of humor after all. In fact we probably know more priest jokes.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What?? You folks can private message you know... Anyone for more Cantha talk?

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • @Silvercyclone.1462 said:
    I can do funerals, weddings, last rights, exorcisms...

    Hopefully not at the same time.

    The Commander will end you.

  • @thepenmonster.3621 said:

    @Silvercyclone.1462 said:
    I can do funerals, weddings, last rights, exorcisms...

    Hopefully not at the same time.

    IDK, the reception sounds like it would be very memorable. Pea soup anyone! :p

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  • Perihen the Thawk.9527Perihen the Thawk.9527 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 24, 2020

    My guess would be that the main story is going to be mostly focused around the saltspray dragons somehow, and that the human empire dynamics will be more backdrop.

    I have a feeling they're going to play off the contrast between Western myth (Tyria) generally considering dragons to be monsters to be slain, while Eastern myth (Cantha) often considers dragons to be benevolent.

    Basically, how does the Empire of the Dragon view the Elder Dragons? As far as we know, they haven't had any direct confrontation with the Elder Dragons this cycle, (unless Bubbles has been down there causing havoc this whole time) and the human race that makes up the bulk of the population might never have.

  • Drizzt.1796Drizzt.1796 Member ✭✭

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:
    My guess would be that the main story is going to be mostly focused around the saltspray dragons somehow, and that the human empire dynamics will be more backdrop.

    I have a feeling they're going to play off the contrast between Western myth (Tyria) generally considering dragons to be monsters to be slain, while Eastern myth (Cantha) often considers dragons to be benevolent.

    Basically, how does the Empire of the Dragon view the Elder Dragons? As far as we know, they haven't had any confrontation with the Elder Dragons this cycle, and the human race that makes up the bulk of the population might never have.

    They are CONSIDERABLY close to Orr. Plus, since some dragons were corrupted by Vizier Khilerbron, who is CORRUPTED .

    So yeah, they had no interaction with elder dragon corruption.

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drizzt.1796 said:

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:
    My guess would be that the main story is going to be mostly focused around the saltspray dragons somehow, and that the human empire dynamics will be more backdrop.

    I have a feeling they're going to play off the contrast between Western myth (Tyria) generally considering dragons to be monsters to be slain, while Eastern myth (Cantha) often considers dragons to be benevolent.

    Basically, how does the Empire of the Dragon view the Elder Dragons? As far as we know, they haven't had any confrontation with the Elder Dragons this cycle, and the human race that makes up the bulk of the population might never have.

    They are CONSIDERABLY close to Orr. Plus, since some dragons were corrupted by Vizier Khilerbron, who is CORRUPTED .

    So yeah, they had no interaction with elder dragon corruption.

    Cantha is nowhere close to Orr. And Khilbron wasn't corrupted, he was just an undead - nor did Khilbron "corrupt dragons" - he turned some dragon corpses into undead. But Cantha was fully unaffected by Khilbron.

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    All these squares make a circle.
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  • Drizzt.1796Drizzt.1796 Member ✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Drizzt.1796 said:

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:
    My guess would be that the main story is going to be mostly focused around the saltspray dragons somehow, and that the human empire dynamics will be more backdrop.

    I have a feeling they're going to play off the contrast between Western myth (Tyria) generally considering dragons to be monsters to be slain, while Eastern myth (Cantha) often considers dragons to be benevolent.

    Basically, how does the Empire of the Dragon view the Elder Dragons? As far as we know, they haven't had any confrontation with the Elder Dragons this cycle, and the human race that makes up the bulk of the population might never have.

    They are CONSIDERABLY close to Orr. Plus, since some dragons were corrupted by Vizier Khilerbron, who is CORRUPTED .

    So yeah, they had no interaction with elder dragon corruption.

    Cantha is nowhere close to Orr. And Khilbron wasn't corrupted, he was just an undead - nor did Khilbron "corrupt dragons" - he turned some dragon corpses into undead. But Cantha was fully unaffected by Khilbron.

    Khilbron's corpse was IN Orr.

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drizzt.1796 said:
    Khilbron's corpse was IN Orr.

    That doesn't mean it was corrupted by Zhaitan. That's like saying the druids were corrupted by Mordremoth because they were sapient plant beings in the Maguuma, or saying that flowstone elementals in the GW1 dungeons were Primordus' minions because they're fire entities underground.

    We also, technically, do not know when Khilbron became a lich. While it's possible it happened in the Cataclysm, it could have happened earlier, since a vizier from King Zoran's days talented in necromancy made Fendi Nin who is very lich-like in nature. There's nothing to actually say Khilbron was ever dead while in Orr - he was finally killed on the Ring of Fire island and we have no indication of when, where, or how long ago he had turned into a lich.

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