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Guess how many mirages were in ToL finals!

rank eleven monk.9502rank eleven monk.9502 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited February 10, 2019 in PVP

10? 8? Maybe 6?

The answer is 0, if anyone is interested and not yet blinded by the hate.

(PS: no secret agenda here, just a fun fact)

(PS2: OP is a chrono main)

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  • rank eleven monk.9502rank eleven monk.9502 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2019

    @Shadow Order.7258 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Slapinator.4196 said:

    @rank eleven monk.9502 said:
    10? 8? Maybe 6?

    The answer is 0, if anyone is interested and not yet blinded by the hate.

    (PS: no secret agenda here, just a fun fact)

    (PS2: OP is a chrono main)

    The NA winners had 2 Mirages in their comp and won 94-500, also there were matches were half the players were Mirages, that's 5 Mirages in a game of 10 players.

    Indeed, third place on EU also had Mirage (and chrono) in them, while almost all other teams had Mirage (often multiple), the fact that they were not in the final was because the winning team was composed of, for the better part, r55dragons who already won ToL before, so I don't see the validity of "the team composed of most pro players and former champions managed to beat team with Mirage so Mirage must not be op" argument...

    Any straws a mirage can grasp can and will be used against us.

    Please read my post thank you :)

    @Ragnar.4257 said:
    You know what else wasn't in the final? Holosmith, Spellbreaker, Core Guard, Deadeye...... the list goes on. This is a very poor basis on which to assess problems.

    Well, apart from holo, all of those are self explanatory. Everything what a spellbreaker can do, a soulbeast does better. Deadeye is not viable at all in a premade competition. Core guard is debatable, there were a few of them around

  • Ragnar.4257Ragnar.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    @rank eleven monk.9502 said:

    @Shadow Order.7258 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Slapinator.4196 said:

    @rank eleven monk.9502 said:
    10? 8? Maybe 6?

    The answer is 0, if anyone is interested and not yet blinded by the hate.

    (PS: no secret agenda here, just a fun fact)

    (PS2: OP is a chrono main)

    The NA winners had 2 Mirages in their comp and won 94-500, also there were matches were half the players were Mirages, that's 5 Mirages in a game of 10 players.

    Indeed, third place on EU also had Mirage (and chrono) in them, while almost all other teams had Mirage (often multiple), the fact that they were not in the final was because the winning team was composed of, for the better part, r55dragons who already won ToL before, so I don't see the validity of "the team composed of most pro players and former champions managed to beat team with Mirage so Mirage must not be op" argument...

    Any straws a mirage can grasp can and will be used against us.

    Please read my post thank you :)

    @Ragnar.4257 said:
    You know what else wasn't in the final? Holosmith, Spellbreaker, Core Guard, Deadeye...... the list goes on. This is a very poor basis on which to assess problems.

    Well, apart from holo, all of those are self explanatory. Everything what a spellbreaker can do, a soulbeast does better. Deadeye is not viable at all in a premade competition. Core guard is debatable, there were a few of them around

    Never meant to imply that they're viable, just that people whine about them non-stop.

  • Kicast.1459Kicast.1459 Member ✭✭✭

    So top 100 is flooded by mesmers I assume.
    Wait....

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2019

    @rank eleven monk.9502 said:
    10? 8? Maybe 6?

    The answer is 0, if anyone is interested and not yet blinded by the hate.

    (PS: no secret agenda here, just a fun fact)

    (PS2: OP is a chrono main)

    Well, I have seen the argument "there are no condi mirages in higher rankings" a lot, and I have recorded my last 10 games:

    core mesmer: 1 (lol)
    chronomancer: 6
    mirage: 8

    I did check significance, but 10 games are obviously too few for any reasonably point. Mirage is indeed a little lower than the expected value (which would be 10, I didn't play one, so I expected one of my other 9 players to play one), but mesmer in general is quite common.

    The core dude was memeing. :tongue:

    I will keep track of this, but I will not be able to play enough games for statistically relevant statements. So far, the assumption of "less mirages" is as false as "many mirages" - "many mesmers" might be a thing though.

  • @Shadow Order.7258 said:>
    Any straws a mirage can grasp can and will be used against us.

    With all that clone spam, they can just rob the fast food industry of its straws.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    oh, ohh!" what if they have a sense of pride and refused to play such an OP/god like spec :o

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    There's only one conclusion to be drawn from this video and that is Revenant needs some buffs.

  • shinta.8906shinta.8906 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    lets not forget about the fact that a chronomancer was able to push boyce on boonbeast offpoint in the semis.. that allthough chronos do higher and way easier burst than a freshair weaver while maintaining superior sustain and aoe than boonbeast.

    boonbeast sustain - ignoring the difference of tourney and ranked - that is considered broken by mirage mains, right?

    very interesting sidestory

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I didn’t see much Warrior representation.

    Sooooo....
    Should warrior not get buffed then?
    Even with the QQ about warrior in PvP lately?

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Ragnar.4257 said:

    @rank eleven monk.9502 said:
    Well, apart from holo, all of those are self explanatory. Everything what a spellbreaker can do, a soulbeast does better. Deadeye is not viable at all in a premade competition. Core guard is debatable, there were a few of them around

    Never meant to imply that they're viable, just that people whine about them non-stop.

    I think most Deadeye whining come from WvW where you can rely much more on stealth since you don't need to contest a point.

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  • Abazigal.3679Abazigal.3679 Member ✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:
    I don't get the purpose of this as we all know that Mirage is only strong due to solo queue conditions..

    This, and it's also about fighting multi necros/mirages together.
    But top players cannot know how it is, since they keep popping at plat 2+, where people do not play these builds.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Take it down a notch, guys. entertaining as this is, we dont really need to get the thread locked.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Take it down a notch, guys. entertaining as this is, we dont really need to get the thread locked.

    Ye cus another thread about mirage is needed, not like mirage feedback thread exists:

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/57248/condi-mirage-feedback-merged#latest

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  • Ruufio.1496Ruufio.1496 Member ✭✭✭

    I agree nerf mirage and thief

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This is entire argument is MOOT.

    The ToL was premade teams. The ranked experience is solo-q where you are grouped randomly with strangers without much say in team comp.

    You have to look at the entire ecosystem. Nothing is OP in a vacuum (or UP for that matter). When you can coordinate via voice-coms and when you have played together for a while and practiced strategies and developed a language/shorthand with your teammates ... that is WAY different than random solo-q.

    Things that excel in one environment (strong duelists) will not in others. Things that are weaker in one (support), excels in others.

    The only argument you are making in this thread is the argument I have been making since I started PvP in GW2.

    RANKED should be team-q ONLY. This should be the most rewarding version of play. Thinks WoW arena or rated BGs.

    UNRANKED (casual) should be solo or team-q and winning should still grant pips. Losing should not. It should NOT be as rewarding as team q and more for fun and for solo-q folks to have a good competitive time. Think WoW skirmishes or unrated BGs.

    There are no solo-q raids. There should not be solo-q ranked play. It's common sense.

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ziggityzog.7389 said:
    No we need more blocks, evades and invulnerability. There are times where you can actually land a hit. This is unacceptable.

    Your posts are more entertaining (in a good way) then any gw2 streamer i have ever seen.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    I agree nerf mirage and thief

    I agree nerf mirage,DE,soulbeast and holo
    Fixed it for u

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Buff thief

    I agree buff thief

    Fixed it for you both

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Buff thief

    I agree buff thief

    Fixed it for you both

    +1
    Yes my mistake,thank u for catching that :)

  • @pah.4931 said:
    This is entire argument is MOOT.

    The ToL was premade teams. The ranked experience is solo-q where you are grouped randomly with strangers without much say in team comp.

    You have to look at the entire ecosystem. Nothing is OP in a vacuum (or UP for that matter). When you can coordinate via voice-coms and when you have played together for a while and practiced strategies and developed a language/shorthand with your teammates ... that is WAY different than random solo-q.

    Things that excel in one environment (strong duelists) will not in others. Things that are weaker in one (support), excels in others.

    The only argument you are making in this thread is the argument I have been making since I started PvP in GW2.

    RANKED should be team-q ONLY. This should be the most rewarding version of play. Thinks WoW arena or rated BGs.

    UNRANKED (casual) should be solo or team-q and winning should still grant pips. Losing should not. It should NOT be as rewarding as team q and more for fun and for solo-q folks to have a good competitive time. Think WoW skirmishes or unrated BGs.

    There are no solo-q raids. There should not be solo-q ranked play. It's common sense.

    Most relevant post in the entire thread

  • So we should balance PvP around the 10 top players in the game? Brilliant stuff, do you have any more brainbusters?

  • This isn't it chief

  • Brendan.1309Brendan.1309 Member ✭✭✭

    @rank eleven monk.9502 said:
    NA is a joke tho, even US players aren't playing there any more.

    How is NA a joke? Everyone that plays both sides say nobody knows how to play no matter what.
    When is the last time the top EU team and top NA team played against each other anyway?

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Brendan.1309 said:

    @rank eleven monk.9502 said:
    NA is a joke tho, even US players aren't playing there any more.

    How is NA a joke? Everyone that plays both sides say nobody knows how to play no matter what.
    When is the last time the top EU team and top NA team played against each other anyway?

    Was on NA servers so USA had a slight ping advantage, though since NA servers are near the east coast the ping isn't too bad for western Europeans. Considering that rank 55 has mostly broken up since then while USA is still mostly intact I doubt any of the current EU teams would be able to beat USA in a LAN currently.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @Brendan.1309 said:

    @rank eleven monk.9502 said:
    NA is a joke tho, even US players aren't playing there any more.

    How is NA a joke? Everyone that plays both sides say nobody knows how to play no matter what.
    When is the last time the top EU team and top NA team played against each other anyway?

    Was on NA servers so USA had a slight ping advantage, though since NA servers are near the east coast the ping isn't too bad for western Europeans. Considering that rank 55 has mostly broken up since then while USA is still mostly intact I doubt any of the current EU teams would be able to beat USA in a LAN currently.

    "slight ping advantage" I run a normal 30-40 on EU and 170~ avg on NA with spikes up to 200. Not to mention misha and zan lives in eastern europe and slovakia prolly has worst internet of all time so he prolly ran 200-300 ping

    These two tournaments were played back to back so i'd say it was 1-1 and both were played with "slight ping advantage" and not to mention they banned Chrono for the one you linked

    If lan's were to return I am more than sure that EU would have a lot of former "pro players" return to scrim for 50k € and it would be worlds all over again

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  • Brendan.1309Brendan.1309 Member ✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653 Ping is a real issue and I do not want to denigrate that fact.

    NA seems more willing to experiment with different team compositions than EU, that alone might make it difficult when EU teams all run similar compositions. I don't think you can really discount NA as a joke when there hasn't been a LAN game setup in a long time.

  • TIL Mirage players think they're all top 100 players and because they're not represented at the highest levels, that the class is fine.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Brendan.1309 said:
    @bluri.2653 Ping is a real issue and I do not want to denigrate that fact.

    NA seems more willing to experiment with different team compositions than EU, that alone might make it difficult when EU teams all run similar compositions. I don't think you can really discount NA as a joke when there hasn't been a LAN game setup in a long time.

    Everything would change if there was 50k € lan event meaning scrims and different comps, so no

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  • Brendan.1309Brendan.1309 Member ✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653 things would change and I would hope that it would inspire more competitive players in NA to attend as well.

    What I'm trying to get at, is that I don't think just because Mesmer is not on the 1st place teams in EU tournaments doesn't make it less viable. I also don't think NA is just Trash in 5v5 either. I may have the wrong video, but I think you mentioned something along those lines as well in your conversation with Teapot, Jawgeous, and Vallun a few weeks ago.

    Now having said that, it seems like ANET is going to give pvp more love soon and if that's true, I am excited to hear what it will do to bring the community together.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Brendan.1309 said:
    @bluri.2653 things would change and I would hope that it would inspire more competitive players in NA to attend as well.

    What I'm trying to get at, is that I don't think just because Mesmer is not on the 1st place teams in EU tournaments doesn't make it less viable. I also don't think NA is just Trash in 5v5 either. I may have the wrong video, but I think you mentioned something along those lines as well in your conversation with Teapot, Jawgeous, and Vallun a few weeks ago.

    Now having said that, it seems like ANET is going to give pvp more love soon and if that's true, I am excited to hear what it will do to bring the community together.

    Then u mistake me for someone else. Or heard smth else😂

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  • Thank you OP for this, this thread is 100% proof that Mirage is perfectly balanced.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    you can't compare a tournament with matches of 10 random players

  • @felincyriac.5981 said:
    Oh wow so this must mean that mirage is totally balanced and fair at all levels of play, thanks mr mirage main!

    Yeah OP protects his class in pretty much every single thread.

    Now, the question is, what's percentage of mirages or mesmers one encounters in both spvp and wvw roaming? During hour I spent roaming yesterday 8 out of 11 players were mirages.

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