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About the new EU World Links (6/27/2019)

edited June 28, 2019 in WvW

Hi folks!

With this set of EU links, we have decided to remove language restrictions. As we’ve mentioned before, we’re gathering data as we prepare for World Restructuring. The core reason for this particular change is to allow us to create much fairer links. We looked at this world linking and compared it to past ones, and we would like to share a few data points on how links have been improved:

  • The difference in play hours between the largest and smallest link has decreased by 37% from last linking.
  • The standard deviation on play hours between links has decreased by 39% from the last linking. This means that on average, links are much closer in play hours than before.

Our hope is that by creating fairer world links, we’ll see much more fun match-ups. We are aware of the potential negatives of this change and we will keep an eye on the community adjusting to this, so keep giving us your feedback on this forum thread.

Here are the worlds for EU:

  • Abaddon's Mouth (DE), Ruins of Surmia (EN)
  • Augury Rock (FR), Vizunah Square (FR)
  • Aurora Glade (EN), Riverside (DE)
  • Baruch Bay (SP)
  • Desolation (EN), Blacktide (EN)
  • Drakkar Lake (DE), Vabbi (EN)
  • Elona Reach (DE), Fort Ranik (FR)
  • Gandara (EN), Fissure of Woe (EN)
  • Gunnar's Hold (EN), Dzagonur (DE)
  • Jade Sea (FR), Miller's Sound (DE)
  • Kodash (DE)
  • Piken Square (EN)
  • Seafarer's Rest (EN), Ring of Fire (EN)
  • Underworld (EN), Far Shiverpeaks (EN)
  • Whiteside Ridge (EN), Arborstone (FR)

Here are the worlds for NA:

  • Blackgate, Kaineng
  • Borlis Pass, Henge of Denravi
  • Crystal Desert, Stormbluff Isle
  • Dragonbrand, Eredon Terrace
  • Ferguson's Crossing, Jade Quarry
  • Fort Aspenwood, Devona's Rest
  • Maguuma, Anvil Rock
  • Northern Shiverpeaks, Ehmry Bay
  • Sea of Sorrows, Gate of Madness
  • Sorrow's Furnace, Darkhaven
  • Tarnished Coast, Isle of Janthir
  • Yak's Bend, Sanctum of Rall

Stéphane Lo Presti
Content Marketing Manager

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Comments

  • we have decided to remove language restrictions

    Or to (ahem) translate that into player terms: for this match up, ANet is using the same formulas to match up EU worlds as they always have done with NA: just look at WvW hours. They did not consider the world's preference for French, German or Spanish. (The "restriction" was on the algorithm, not on the player.)

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • I get why Piken has no Link, but Kodash? Hard stuck in the last tier since weeks, no queue
    during the whole week and only one map queue on reset. Feels like there is something still wrong with your numbers as well as the "Full" status.

    Kodash [EU]

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭

    @LINKAZZATORE.8135 said:
    sorry ben but at this point fun > balanced link... 40 minutes into this fiesta it's already not funny anymore

    Perhaps also state what is the problem, not really clear from your post :D

  • I wonder how they calculate the status of a server, just take a look at Sorrow's Furnace, Darkhaven we will have another Kaineg again , ok i will explain, one month and a half ago,we had a massive amounth of players tranfered to SF, 2 weeks later they transferred again. now they are at Sea of ​​Sorrow, and SoS has just a very high status(how the hell they just have a very high status with a large amount of wvw guilds there), just take a look how BG is getting banged for them.

  • Cambeleg.7632Cambeleg.7632 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 28, 2019

    [moderator edit]

    The calculations used for choosing the actual "links without fronters" have no sense. FOUR servers with full population (agreed Anet) have links without reason, TWO servers that been alone for months (one of then, even since beginning) are still alone (and without the supposed coverage that should have for staying like this, tbh).

    Maybe it's time (just an idea) for reconsidering if those calculations should be... changed?

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FalconRN.6219 said:
    SoS has just a very high status(how the hell they just have a very high status with a large amount of wvw guilds there), just take a look how BG is getting banged for them.

    Because those players didn't all transfer to SoS, but to the link: Borlis Pass, which is becoming a host server next.

  • @Fatherbliss.4701 said:
    Considering you asked for feedback

    They are mostly interested in EU, since this week represents a massive change in some people's expectations. For NA, it's business as usual, I'm afraid.

    @Fatherbliss.4701 said:
    The "Full" servers listed currently in the game aren't even remotely even in terms of activity.

    "Full" is a jargon word meaning "closed, because it's over-represented compared to the other worlds+links at the time of linking."
    It originally did mean full; ANet never got around to changing it.

    @Fatherbliss.4701 said:
    Vastly outnumbered during critical time frames.

    It's nearly impossible to tell how outnumbered a world is, from any single player perspective, or even any dozen or three players comparing notes. It's also difficult to tell whether that's a result of actual numbers or something that happened. A certain world that @Fatherbliss.4701 happens to know well used to have comparatively no pop any time there was a new story or festival, while its opponents has closer to their usual numbers. It would have been a mistake to set the matches for that 1-2 week period, when the links last two months. Likewise, sometimes people decide to opt out against playing certain guilds or certain worlds. That's not something that ANet's algorithms can take into account.

    Linkages have all sorts of issues, including delivering unexpected and poor matchups at times. There's no easy way to fix that based on the current model of 24-27 worlds, with near-static populations, bandwagoning, and six-relinks/year.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • as a tl;dr, here are just the links that have multiple language preference

    • Abaddon's Mouth (DE), Ruins of Surmia (EN)
    • Aurora Glade (EN), Riverside (DE)
    • Drakkar Lake (DE), Vabbi (EN)
    • Elona Reach (DE), Fort Ranik (FR)
    • Gunnar's Hold (EN), Dzagonur (DE)
    • Jade Sea (FR), Miller's Sound (DE)
    • Whiteside Ridge (EN), Arborstone (FR)

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 28, 2019

    Looks reasonable (for NA), let's see how the bandwagoning will screw it up.

    Founder & Leader of Equinox Solstice [TIME], a Singapore-Based International PvX Guild
    Henge of Denravi Server
    www.gw2time.com

    --

    Explanations of WvW Structures & Populations Issues

  • hunkamania.7561hunkamania.7561 Member ✭✭✭

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Looks reasonable (for NA), let's see how the bandwagoning will screw it up.

    LOL of course relinks are fine when you're on the stacked server haha. I guess that only applies to the other servers.

    Ferguson's Crossing Server Leader

    WVW LEADER

    VR

  • Fair links? Blacktide is a dead server.. Where do you guys keep getting this nonsense? #ArenanetTrollingTheWvWCommunityAGAIN

  • Americans can easily underestimate the rivality across european nations.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭

    @Forbidden Virtue.1089 said:
    Fair links? Blacktide is a dead server.. Where do you guys keep getting this nonsense? #ArenanetTrollingTheWvWCommunityAGAIN

    Deso is not a dead server though, it's one of the highest populated one. If you want to complain look at Aurora Glade, that is not a full server being a host and having a terrible link. And Piken/KOdash got nothing...

  • Leaa.2943Leaa.2943 Member ✭✭

    Can we open up the kitten servers that been closed for ever some even not being full. I mean people want to move to their friends and guilds and have to pay for moving to the link they were on to stay with their people for several link periods now. You could start to wonder if this is made so that you get more money through the jumping of links. No server should be closed for so long as they have now.

  • Widmo.3186Widmo.3186 Member ✭✭✭

    @Forbidden Virtue.1089 said:
    Fair links? Blacktide is a dead server.. Where do you guys keep getting this nonsense? #ArenanetTrollingTheWvWCommunityAGAIN

    Bro, have you ever seen Fissure of Woe? Nor have I, lol

    Dont mind me, I just randomly spam 35 skill-buttons

  • Baruch, Kodash, Piken without link. This seems like a desperate approach, to keep five tiers alive in EU. Although every WvW player told you, to reduce EU to four tiers.

  • kiranslee.4829kiranslee.4829 Member ✭✭✭

    I think u made great mistake by this links and killed at least few servers, we will see in time but i find ur data that u used to be really wrong.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @hunkamania.7561 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    Looks reasonable (for NA), let's see how the bandwagoning will screw it up.

    LOL of course relinks are fine when you're on the stacked server haha. I guess that only applies to the other servers.

    Oh, didn't know BP was bandwagoned. I don't really keep track of it anymore. I got numbed.
    So, who bandwagoned to BP?

    Founder & Leader of Equinox Solstice [TIME], a Singapore-Based International PvX Guild
    Henge of Denravi Server
    www.gw2time.com

    --

    Explanations of WvW Structures & Populations Issues

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭

    but why did match making kitten up? now i have to fight against 2 horribad ppt servers while we would be fighting 2 good non ppt carebears...

  • thx anet the rest u can think about

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 28, 2019

    Whooooooaaaaaa they announced NA links early for the first time.... let the furious amount of transfers before reset begin.

    Another derailing post. ^^
    EBG North Keep: One of the village residents will now flee if their home is destroyed!
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  • Leaa.2943Leaa.2943 Member ✭✭

    I mean i was laughing today in TS when i realised what Vabbi was linked with or what RoS was a link for and Who WSR got. It was hilarious. How ever regardless of that, what really is going to happen is that Vabbi will be reduce to nothing because i don't belive for a second that Vabbi even thogh their glory days are gone, they wont accept being farmed by Drakkar lake with a K/D under 1. I just don't see this happen. I also don't see RoS anytime soon accepting AM as a host since AM is a roll over who live for ppt. And RoS was never aiming for that. Even though it was already known that RoS also lost their glory days and movements will happen regarldess of this, it just is like placing Ronald Mc Donald together with Rambo and wonder why they don't like each other. Because you know they are on two different sides.

    Again this are two servers who were broken, but the comunity they had left that would not move was just now absolutely rolled over by Arena Net. WSR are in a better state because they are the host. And they manage with or without a link. But still Rambo and Ronald Mc Donald and two servers sharing zero interest in WvW because they are on the very outer sides of it and it is just gonna create a lot of tension.

    So imagine if Arena net instead had merged the lowest populated servers and let those on it move to the server of their choice. So that they could CHOOSE if they like Rambo or Ronald Mc Donalds instead of being forced in to marriage for 2 months with someone who have all the habbits you absolutely hate. Imgaine that....

  • well, for the 3h I played on reset the GH-Dzagonur link was surprisingly pleasant. Dzag. players on GH discord, tchat was the usual level of stupid, but communication worked fine. If it continues this way, this will be a mighty fine link.

  • @Leaa.2943 said:
    I mean i was laughing today in TS when i realised what Vabbi was linked with or what RoS was a link for and Who WSR got. It was hilarious. How ever regardless of that, what really is going to happen is that Vabbi will be reduce to nothing because i don't belive for a second that Vabbi even thogh their glory days are gone, they wont accept being farmed by Drakkar lake with a K/D under 1. I just don't see this happen. I also don't see RoS anytime soon accepting AM as a host since AM is a roll over who live for ppt. And RoS was never aiming for that. Even though it was already known that RoS also lost their glory days and movements will happen regarldess of this, it just is like placing Ronald Mc Donald together with Rambo and wonder why they don't like each other. Because you know they are on two different sides.

    Again this are two servers who were broken, but the comunity they had left that would not move was just now absolutely rolled over by Arena Net. WSR are in a better state because they are the host. And they manage with or without a link. But still Rambo and Ronald Mc Donald and two servers sharing zero interest in WvW because they are on the very outer sides of it and it is just gonna create a lot of tension.

    So imagine if Arena net instead had merged the lowest populated servers and let those on it move to the server of their choice. So that they could CHOOSE if they like Rambo or Ronald Mc Donalds instead of being forced in to marriage for 2 months with someone who have all the habbits you absolutely hate. Imgaine that....

    eh? why should that cause problems? each of the two servers concentrate on what they like. let RoS search for fights, let AM do the ppt and together they might be able to hold their ground. Or not.

    I am more concerned about the ER/FR link. Most Germans only learn French at school after english - and even then it is optional (I picked latin instead for example). And French aren't known for their foreign language skills either. So there might be a lot of tension. One side with english as very secondary language, the other with no secondary language at all. Does not bode that well.

  • @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:

    @Tuchanka.5148 said:
    they've fighted and learnt to hate for years

    I want to reply to this specific line: there is no place for hate in Guild Wars 2. Hateful behavior should be reported and we regularly take actions about hate speech. If you see any within the game (or on the forums for that matter!), please right click on the name in chat or in the UI, and use the report command.

    Agreed.
    I want to excuse my poor choice of words here: rivalry is the word that I was looking for, I'm sorry for that.

    Some mapchat this reset was just really ugly and I think many people were just busy typing something, that was supposed to be funny or just straight up racist. I don't think the majority was really interested in playing the gamemode tonight from my perception.
    I really hope this does not continue, we lost a lot of friends with this relink -for this.

  • Mini Crinny.6190Mini Crinny.6190 Member ✭✭✭

    Got linked with Riverside reset and all the Riverside players seemed very excited to have a link so it felt good for us that we could provide them with something they want xD, i also instead of the usual 'Thanks' i was using 'Danke' instead aha

  • Leaa.2943Leaa.2943 Member ✭✭

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:

    eh? why should that cause problems? each of the two servers concentrate on what they like. let RoS search for fights, let AM do the ppt and together they might be able to hold their ground. Or not.

    Not why, it IS a problem and it always was a problem and you asking why tells me that you are not aware of how different this three examples are.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    CD we meet again.

    Though switched; sounds interesting.

  • TheBravery.9615TheBravery.9615 Member ✭✭✭

    is it possible to just combine eu region with NA region so we get nonstop fights 24/7 without having laggy servers?

    Was hopeing that would be the case

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheBravery.9615 said:
    is it possible to just combine eu region with NA region so we get nonstop fights 24/7 without having laggy servers?

    Was hopeing that would be the case

    Yea, I'll just have a non-laggy fight with my 300ms ping to EU... I'd hate to think what OCX's ping would be.

  • @Chaba.5410 said:

    @TheBravery.9615 said:
    is it possible to just combine eu region with NA region so we get nonstop fights 24/7 without having laggy servers?

    Was hopeing that would be the case

    Yea, I'll just have a non-laggy fight with my 300ms ping to EU... I'd hate to think what OCX's ping would be.

    I get a nice ms of 198 in wvw and a little lower in pve (from Australia aswell)

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheBravery.9615 said:
    without having laggy servers?

    This will not happen without a miracle

  • Coldthunder.9825Coldthunder.9825 Member
    edited June 29, 2019

    What a kitten show. dead Kodash without a link cause 40 people in the morning.

  • @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:

    • Yak's Bend, Sanctum of Rall

    Thank you for work hard but Why Yak's Bend link with Sanctum of Rall again ?
    we stuck together for 2 month then we have to stuck together again more 2 month ?
    woww ... why other NA server got new relink matchup but not for Yak's Bend ?
    What is the principles for selecting server matchup ?

    best regard

  • If you get linked with Darkhaven it will drag you down to t4 and kill your alliance and server.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:

    @Tuchanka.5148 said:
    they've fighted and learnt to hate for years

    I want to reply to this specific line: there is no place for hate in Guild Wars 2. Hateful behavior should be reported and we regularly take actions about hate speech. If you see any within the game (or on the forums for that matter!), please follow these instructions:

    1. Right click on the player's character
    2. Click on the small portrait of the player near the top and center of your screen
    3. Select "Report"
    4. On the Player Conduct Report panel choose a reason for your report from the drop-down menu

    Killing off roaming brought hate all on its own.

  • Sleepwalker.1398Sleepwalker.1398 Member ✭✭✭

    Link FC with JQ......hahhaaa.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Blackgate, Kaineng

    ...

    Wait, what?

    Just cause we didn't want to get stuck playing AGAINST them didn't mean we wanted to play WITH them either.

    Guess I basically sit out another 8 weeks.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You should see how they did the relinks for NA. TC got absolutely destroyed in T2 last week. Had outnumbered pips on nearly every map all day, every day. Their solution for a relinking was to put us as 4th overall, so green spawn back in T2. Not sure who is responsible for the relinks, but there is no way we are 4th overall, in ANY category. Not in population, not in total playtime, not in pips earned, not in activity, not in anything.

    Great job on the relinks (the sarcasm is real).

    Lost in the Maguuma (TC)
    For the geographically challenged, yes, Tarnished Coast is located IN the Maguuma Jungle.

  • Rockal.5468Rockal.5468 Member ✭✭

    Look, SFR is not "full", the fact we were in T1 was because we had link that is host server now

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mini Crinny.6190 said:
    Got linked with Riverside reset and all the Riverside players seemed very excited to have a link so it felt good for us that we could provide them with something they want xD, i also instead of the usual 'Thanks' i was using 'Danke' instead aha

    Very nice indeed, some ppl from the one server already joined the other's squad / Discord / TS and vice versa. From time to time, ppl and Coms already tried to use both languages "Danke" ;)

    Some mad ppl were battling in team chat for questionable reasons, but River's team chat is usually on the lower end of the toxicity scale, so I wouldn't expect bigger problems there in the future ;)

    We also expect a siginificant increase in River's pop activity, since ppl played much less in the last 3-4 weeks as they normally use to. So, the "medium" status may not be representative for the current server pop. Pretty much excited about this link, and lots of other Riversiders too.

    Let the Aurora River flow to upper tiers =)

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