judgebeo.3976 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I mean, they want all the specs to have a backdraw from core... IMO they destroyed chrono today... and surelly they will do the same with mirage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Considering how condition mirage can just safely sit back and barely do anything. Yeah it's more than likely. It's about time they work on that "Active" gameplay they so called for after the Phantasm to Clone update. It's quite stupid that destroying a Phantasm makes a Clone, there has to be drawbacks somewhere. They haven't got much since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xion.5694 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 As a Mirage you can only have clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Considering the double whammy of nerfing the duration of Mirage cloak and now removing super speed I'd say Mirage already has its drawback since its dodge can't actually be used for defence. Unfortunately yeah its probably going to get more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judgebeo.3976 Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 @Levetty.1279 said:Considering the double whammy of nerfing the duration of Mirage cloak and now removing super speed I'd say Mirage already has its drawback since its dodge can't actually be used for defence. Unfortunately yeah its probably going to get more. so, you think a core mesmer is better than a mirage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Oh yeah it's pretty much certain at this point - later on this year Mirage should have its F skills changed etc.I just hope they take the opportunity to do it well and not half baked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judgebeo.3976 Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 @"Curunen.8729" said:Oh yeah it's pretty much certain at this point - later on this year Mirage should have its F skills changed etc.I just hope they take the opportunity to do it well and not half baked.well i dont find "bad" what they want to do, not even with chrono, but seems a bit "too much backdraw" actually to be playable, just my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyperLooser.2698 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 you loosing your normal dodge is a drawback. If they add even more drawbacks then might aswell rework entire elite spec system from ground up for all classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Mirage has already been nerfed many, many times already. Jaunt got hit, ambushes got hit, infinite horizon got hit, the trait that breaks stun on dodge got hit 3 times... those are the only ones I remember, but those were all pretty big changes. Mirage went from uncontested best dueling class to a minor nuisance because of those changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapps.1479 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @HyperLooser.2698 said:you loosing your normal dodge is a drawback. If they add even more drawbacks then might aswell rework entire elite spec system from ground up for all classes.It's not really a drawback because the new dodge is significantly better. It lets you dodge while casting and dodge while cc'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @Tapps.1479 said:@HyperLooser.2698 said:you loosing your normal dodge is a drawback. If they add even more drawbacks then might aswell rework entire elite spec system from ground up for all classes.It's not really a drawback because the new dodge is significantly better. It lets you dodge while casting and dodge while cc'ed.Yes that's the addition. The drawback is that its pretty terrible for avoiding damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Not this again...It is a drawback because MC doesn't allow to close and create gaps, distance traveled is trashtier comparing to a normal dodge.To add to that casting while dodging doesn't exist anymore, all ambushes have half to 2/3 of cast outside MC.You have to burn dodges to keep the pressure going.The only thing making MC worth it is the while stunned bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Im just glad my build actually got buffed. Matter of time before it gets a nerf bat tho lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel.8427 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:Im just glad my build actually got buffed. Matter of time before it gets a nerf bat tho lolSHHHHHHH!!!!!!!(My build was buffed too <.< ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 @Mikkel.8427 said:@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:Im just glad my build actually got buffed. Matter of time before it gets a nerf bat tho lolSHHHHHHH!!!!!!!(My build was buffed too <.< )Havent played for months now (PC is on the fritz) however ive been dreaming about a glorious return and now my mirage is better. Hard to say how I will fare against other people with the last few updates (since march) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geist.4126 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 A mirage nerf would be great and at least justified. The way they nerfed Chrono is just lazy and very stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiipi.6750 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 @geist.4126 said:A mirage nerf would be great and at least justified. The way they nerfed Chrono is just lazy and very stupid.How is another mirage nerf justified ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepster.4275 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Mirage has its drawback already by basically being unable to move out of AoEs because the dodge give 33% less movement speed so, yeah Mirage is already very different from core mesmer, even the mirage traits are based for dodge so I do not think another nerf would be " justified" if you still get killed by a mirage then it is your skill level and not the profession´s brokenness(?)Not even talking about the ALL the traitlines are designed poorly and it is a big mess to use any build, each of its variants are annoying to even use because you either sacrefice damage for boons, or you have boons but way less damage, so now, people should really stop complaining about mesmer and mirage specifically, same for chrono, all the people were crying "omg chrono is so OP i can not go with my boon herald to raids" and things like this, well, now every niche class can go to raids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodeni.6041 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Mirage has enough drawbacks: Mirages can't properly gain distance when dodging backwards or sidewards with mirage cloak. Also, Mirage has to use their endurenace offensively to put out damage which weakens their defense when they actually need to dodge an attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geist.4126 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 @everyman.4375 said:@geist.4126 said:A mirage nerf would be great and at least justified. The way they nerfed Chrono is just lazy and very stupid.How is another mirage nerf justified ?Go into wvw. Play it, ask again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiipi.6750 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 @geist.4126 said:@everyman.4375 said:@geist.4126 said:A mirage nerf would be great and at least justified. The way they nerfed Chrono is just lazy and very stupid.How is another mirage nerf justified ?Go into wvw. Play it, ask again.If the nerfs are in wvw and not in pvp, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 @geist.4126 said:@everyman.4375 said:@geist.4126 said:A mirage nerf would be great and at least justified. The way they nerfed Chrono is just lazy and very stupid.How is another mirage nerf justified ?Go into wvw. Play it, ask again.Lol. Mirage, the meta build in WvW for ages. You made a funny didn't you right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.5148 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Chrono got hit hardest because Anet was furiously finding the right Chrono to nerf through all their clones and time traveling. Finally, they found the true Chrono specialization and nerfed it to death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel.8427 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 @geist.4126 said:@everyman.4375 said:@geist.4126 said:A mirage nerf would be great and at least justified. The way they nerfed Chrono is just lazy and very stupid.How is another mirage nerf justified ?Go into wvw. Play it, ask again.You're totally right. So sick of zergs FULL of Mirages! Gosh, those are awful. Also, those damn Mirages bursting you off your mount right into the downstate from 1800 range away in under 2 second! Grrrrr, so OP! /sA more detailed description of what you're having trouble with would be helpful. Most people on here would be happy to help you learn how to counter whatever specific mechanics you're struggling against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepster.4275 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 @Mikkel.8427 said:@geist.4126 said:@everyman.4375 said:@geist.4126 said:A mirage nerf would be great and at least justified. The way they nerfed Chrono is just lazy and very stupid.How is another mirage nerf justified ?Go into wvw. Play it, ask again.You're totally right. So sick of zergs FULL of Mirages! Gosh, those are awful. Also, those kitten Mirages bursting you off your mount right into the downstate from 1800 range away in under 2 second! Grrrrr, so OP! /sA more detailed description of what you're having trouble with would be helpful. Most people on here would be happy to help you learn how to counter whatever specific mechanics you're struggling against.I love oneshotting people from 1.5k range, it feels so great, and also, I just need to change traits and some weapons and I have so much boons and defenses, not even talking about my permanent stealth ability, and well, if my team asks I go full support and provide all kind of boons for my squad not even talking about all those heals I can toss out to them, I just love how easy is to fill all the roles with only one spec... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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