Poll: Build Templates — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Poll: Build Templates

There's a lot of discussion around the paid aspect of the coming build templates. What's your opinion on the paid aspect?

Disagreement =/= "negativity"
Criticism =/= "hate"

Poll: Build Templates 411 votes

I think it's fine as is
37% 156 votes
I think the gear slots should be paid for but the build (trait/skill) slots should be free
13% 54 votes
I think the build (trait/skill) slots should be paid for but the gear slots should be free
1% 5 votes
I think the whole thing should be free
38% 160 votes
Other
8% 36 votes
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Comments

  • @Ashantara.8731 said:
    This poll would have made more sense if done after the release of the feature. ;)

    The only thing that would have changed would be "do you think the price is too high" which is another question entirely.

    Disagreement =/= "negativity"
    Criticism =/= "hate"

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2019

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:
    The only thing that would have changed would be "do you think the price is too high" which is another question entirely.

    Okay, you have a point there.

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Community for 7 years: Give us build templates - you can even monetise it with extra slots through the gemstore!
    Anet: Sorry its late, here we are.
    Community: How dare you

    :lol:

    It's fine for them to monetise extra slots on this in my opinion. I'm just glad it's here after such a ridiculous wait

    Ditto.

  • lol how spoiled can u be

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I will probably pony up to buy more slots, but I can agree with many who believe that such a feature should have been included with the game from launch. /shrug

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Ototo.3214Ototo.3214 Member ✭✭✭

    I find it bit weird that they are separate and you have to pay to get additional slots for both types of templates, so I kinda feel like the trait swapping aspect should be free. But ultimately it doesn't bother me that much. I'm just happy to finally have the feature coming out.

  • BlueJin.4127BlueJin.4127 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    If the info is stored online, paying makes sense, but only if it’s not a rip-off (like 80 gems per slot). But it’ll probably cost several hundred gems per slot.

    However, if it’s stored offline (where player saves build template info on their own computer, like GW1), it should be free.

    There’s still too much we don’t know about how the system works, so I won’t vote anything more than other, for now.

    ^^

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Insofar as the gear templates actually store the gear, and constitute free inventory slots, basically, there's no way they were ever going to be free and I'm fine with it.

    And I would even be fine with a little paid convenience of storing build templates with the account, in the cloud, in a way that survives moving from computer to computer or reinstalling or whatever -- but only as a supplement to a very generous free client-side storage for build templates. I mean, they're chatcodes. You can paste them from build sites or a text file or whatever. Limiting them so strictly and charging, when there's no technological reason they can't be practically unlimited in number, just feels like holding people upside-down and shaking the pennies out. It feels sleazy, which is sad since it's something people were looking forward to.

  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kanok.3027 said:
    Now, you say you don't get paid for your work if it doesn't sell. Correct, but you are not forcing others to buy it and they are not either.

    No, but saying this:

    People want everything for free, but forget that Anet is still a company with employees that need to be paid for their time and effort.

    certainly implies that I and others should pay them for this product regardless of whether or not we like it, want it or will use it.

    Disagreement =/= "negativity"
    Criticism =/= "hate"

  • Kanok.3027Kanok.3027 Member ✭✭✭

    IF you want to use it. Taking what I said out of context is not going to work. Wow, the days when you have to be as literal as possible came sooner than I expected...

  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭

    The point is you shouldn't try and win sympathy votes for a company that, at the end of the day, doesn't care about you. They only care for what's in your wallet.

    Disagreement =/= "negativity"
    Criticism =/= "hate"

  • Seteruss.4058Seteruss.4058 Member ✭✭✭

    The inevitable..
    Is not free.
    Not surprised.
    Wrong path.... again

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @C Cspace Cowboy.5903 said:
    LW stories? free. Raid updates? Free. Fractal updates? Free.

    Build templates that WvW players use? Monetized, and ban the free version.

    I'm done. 14 days until unchained, and if that flops, I'll do like the rest and go to ffIV

    Camelot unchained is releasing already?

  • solemn.9608solemn.9608 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    @Arenanet said:
    At release, each character will get three Build Template tabs, which will be preloaded with their existing equipped builds from PvE, PvP, and WvW. You can swap the contents of the Build Template tabs for use in any game mode or purchase more tabs from the Gem Store.

    No thanks. I am not going to pay for the full functionality of a function that is already available to everyone; because you took so long to make it that someone, on their own free time, already made a very well functioning build templates add-on with unlimited "tabs". I sincerely hope you don't plan on making the use of this add-on an offense.

    I would urge "this is fine" voters to consider that just because you didn't use [omitted title] doesn't mean it wasn't incredibly useful and valuable to many in the gw2 community. You may be siding with a sizable injustice to portions of our community by saying "this is OK" (see footer note/edit)

    I can think of another popular MMORPG that, instead of doing this, ended up incorporating add-ons in the game and encouraged making helpful/useful add-ons. You don't need to vouch for the add-on as professionals... but you simply just needed to allow it to exist. Instead, because you guys wanted to do it yourselves, we're now paying for what we already had easy and consistent access to, because you wanted to monetize it. Ok, so we get a little perk in saving inventory space, but all I want is to not have this be forced on me. I already have the functionality of build templates, if you disallow that, and enforce your build templates functionality, you are forcing me to buy the inventory slots gained by using your option. Don't get me wrong, it's a good idea. But I'm left with no choice but to give you money. Even if I'm willing to do that, I defy that on principle.

    Mounts in WvW was one thing. We adjusted to it, even though we did not want to.
    If you make this pay-for-full-functionality I will lose faith that I shouldn't still have to begin with.

    Taking a screenshot of this post & saving it. Why? Well, you know how it is here.

    edit: wording, and: note that if we are still allowed to use [omitted title] after this release, I won't mind so much. I can look past that easily, if this condition is met.

  • Tanner Blackfeather.6509Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    As a few others have said, I reserve actual judgement until the system is live so I can actually use it.

    I find the payed extra slots to be fine, conceptually - I rank it along QoL purchases like more storage. For Equipment templates, it actually is more storage in a way.
    As such, my primary concern is price. I fear it's going to be higher than I find ok to buy several of. If it's 6-800 gems per slot per character that is way too much. If it's 800 gems to add a slot to all characters that's fine.

    Remember also that you can share (and thus save) Build templates as a text code. This means you can store an unlimited number of builds, for free, in a Notepad file or similar. Load one into a slot when you expect to need it. View the slots themselves similar to your weapon sets - the options to switch between instantly with a keypress.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i dont change builds very much, so i dont care.

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    wouldnt mind paying for extra templates. But Gear changing must be included.

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭

    It would be fine if i could enable it fully for 10€. They will most likely charge that per slot. Also can anyone explain the use of an account wide storage? that one just seems useless. Its a massive downgrade from arc and legendary gear users dont even get backslots back. Guess we go back to legendary gear being very annoying to use to the point that multiple normal gearsets are cheaper and easier and takes the same space.

    I would probably need like 20-50€+ per char to just mimic the current arc behaviour. I dont care if its stored outside of my back, I just want fast and easy gear swaps. And for everyone saying charging per char is fine for this. Entire games can be bought for 20€ and less. Selling parts of such a small feature one by one that is free in all mmos i know will hopefully ruin the company but sadly it probably wont. it will just make the raid community even smaller.

  • solemn.9608solemn.9608 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    People that dont like it... change manually then. Its worked for you before

    Many of us do not change manually.
    We use build templates.
    ???

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I want to actually try it before I decide, because it's hard to know for sure how I'll use it from one brief description. But for now it seems fine for me, mainly because it's adding to what we already have rather than changing it. So for things where I don't want to use a build template (like swapping 1 skill to a speed boost signet or changing which weapon I'm using) I'll still do it manually.

    Between that and being able to save the chat codes on my PC and load builds from that I think it's unlikely I'll buy build slots unless they're very cheap.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    @Kanok.3027 said:
    A lot of people point to GW1 and their "unlimited" and free build templates. Thing is, GW1 and GW2 are two entirely different games and probably on two very different engines. Perhaps build templates were not easy to work on, or even the fact they saw a third-party solution was available, so they decided to leave it on the back burner until they were ready to tackle it.

    They had large parts of the system for years - underwater had a different set of skills, WvW had its own set of skills and traits. What they lacked was UI (which wasn't difficult, but a little bit work intensive). The thing that stopped the implementation of this for 7 years was just the gear templates - they couldn't get them working properly. Well, that and the fact that for years there wasn't anyone really working on it - it was on backburner.

    Now, you say you don't get paid for your work if it doesn't sell. Correct, but you are not forcing others to buy it and they are not either.

    By making delta stop releasing his arc templates solution, they indirectly do.

    This is an optional feature. Completely optional. I use arcdps build templates, but can do without them. I have since I started playing and only recently started using them earlier this year. Sure, they are convenient, but they are not required at all.

    What would you say if waypointing outside cities was paid with gems? They are convenient, but hardly necessary - you can always run from the nearest city after all. Sounds ridiculous? No more ridiculous than this.
    Everything in this game is optional. This doesn't mean that it's okay to add pricetag to every feature - and that's definitely where we're going now.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    @Nephalem.8921 said:
    It would be fine if i could enable it fully for 10€. They will most likely charge that per slot. Also can anyone explain the use of an account wide storage? that one just seems useless.

    It seems to exist solely for the build exchange between players (so you can look up someone else's build without changing to that class). For actual use of templates you will need the per-character slots.

    I would probably need like 20-50€+ per char to just mimic the current arc behaviour. I dont care if its stored outside of my back, I just want fast and easy gear swaps. And for everyone saying charging per char is fine for this. Entire games can be bought for 20€ and less.

    Considering that this single feature will likely cost more than an expansion with it inside would... yeah, this pricing model is kitten.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Tyncale.1629Tyncale.1629 Member ✭✭✭

    I am going to love this feature, especially since I know I can store equipment into the builds themselves instead of my Inventory. One of the reasons I never really bothered with making extra sets of armor for my Main so I could experiment a bit with stat-combo's is because it would clutter up my inventory. Not anymore. I am going to craft my kitten off!

  • Shep.4026Shep.4026 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm okay with them monetizing the build and equipment template slots per character, as most ppl will probably be able to make do with the three we get. But monetizing on template storage? Srsly?? Although I realize that unlimited storage would serve as a workaround to the limited template slots, so does a sheet with template links and short descriptions, at least if I understand how those links work. If I do, I'll be alt-tabbing out of the game instead of spending money on template storage.

  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    With chatcodes you can save endless amounts of build templates.

    Since you can freely and actively switch between them its a logical thing they are limited. (Think gw1 weaponsets, but for builds)

    Furthermore this equipment system essentially is extra inventory space. Why wouldnt it be paid for? Considering how much it costs to get bigger bags, more bag slots or shared inventory slots how is this suddenly different with this system?

  • Taygus.4571Taygus.4571 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm ok with them being paid for. But I hope they're 400gems or less. Basically, they have to be cheaper than a character slot or they're not worth it.

  • aymnad.9023aymnad.9023 Member ✭✭
    edited October 2, 2019

    3 per character will be enough for me. As long as it works for every character in the future (even if you create one in 2years). I have always been hoping it will be this number. One healer, one condi, one physical. It will espcially help for stat swap. Trait swap is faster so I care less. I am just curious how the sPvP build will be (I hope a different slot since that's already how it works).

    Also : " For a limited time after release, you’ll be able to pick up a free pack in the Gem Store for a total of six free Build Storage Spaces."

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Community for 7 years: Give us build templates - you can even monetise it with extra slots through the gemstore!
    Anet: Sorry its late, here we are.
    Community: How dare you

    Exactly ^^.

    Edit : Another forum post and watching the full stream helped me to understand how it will work https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89031/answered-only-24-builds-account-wide
    So ok for the 3 build templates, a bit disappointed that it will be 2 gear template slots but I like that it stores items. (especially for non leg characters)

  • DonArkanio.6419DonArkanio.6419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sure, let's make ANet a charity.

  • I will have to see how this works in day-to-day gaming but since I'm not an excessive build switcher I should be fine with the amount of free slots.

    Of course ideally I would have preferred it to be completely free but since it's also a convenience feature I can understand why Anet handles it like bag/bank storage and the like. The number of free stuff seems to be a compromise between covering what most people actually need while not giving too much so that they can still monetise it. I am almost certain that the vast majority of players don't play more than 2-3 different builds on a single character, let alone have complete equipment sets that need to be swapped.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    @DonArkanio.6419 said:
    Sure, let's make ANet a charity.

    Sure, let's make GW2 a game where we need to pay for every single future upgrade. Individually, per upgrade, at a cost (again, per upgrade) much greater than once it would be normal to see for a whole expac including several of those upgrades.
    I just wonder what gemshop connection they will manage to create with level 500 jeweller.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Community for 7 years: Give us build templates - you can even monetise it with extra slots through the gemstore!
    Anet: Sorry its late, here we are.
    Community: How dare you

    It's fine for them to monetise extra slots on this in my opinion. I'm just glad it's here after such a ridiculous wait

    Pmuch, if the community should be mad at anyone then that should be themselves. We had a great free alternative but ppl are stubborn and wanted an official feature and fully supported the idea of them being monetised.

    If you want something extensive for free in a game, an mmo nonetheless, let ppl make addons for it. Dont demand a profit driven company to make it.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2019

    The monetised nature was a given. Im very curious tho to see the pricing because templates from the looks of it directly compete with charr slots so if they are too expensive ppl will just buy another charr lvl it and use its templates instead.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Nephalem.8921 said:
    It would be fine if i could enable it fully for 10€. They will most likely charge that per slot. Also can anyone explain the use of an account wide storage? that one just seems useless.

    It seems to exist solely for the build exchange between players (so you can look up someone else's build without changing to that class). For actual use of templates you will need the per-character slots.

    iirc a dev said you cant share gear templates

  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Community for 7 years: Give us build templates - you can even monetise it with extra slots through the gemstore!
    Anet: Sorry its late, here we are.
    Community: How dare you

    It's fine for them to monetise extra slots on this in my opinion. I'm just glad it's here after such a ridiculous wait

    Pmuch, if the community should be mad at anyone then that should be themselves. We had a great free alternative but ppl are stubborn and wanted an official feature and fully supported the idea of them being monetised.

    If you want something extensive for free in a game, an mmo nonetheless, let ppl make addons for it. Dont demand a profit driven company to make it.

    And you think that it would make any difference if people didn't specifically ask for it? If it's making them such a profit, then surely it would have been made regardless.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FrizzFreston.5290 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Community for 7 years: Give us build templates - you can even monetise it with extra slots through the gemstore!
    Anet: Sorry its late, here we are.
    Community: How dare you

    It's fine for them to monetise extra slots on this in my opinion. I'm just glad it's here after such a ridiculous wait

    Pmuch, if the community should be mad at anyone then that should be themselves. We had a great free alternative but ppl are stubborn and wanted an official feature and fully supported the idea of them being monetised.

    If you want something extensive for free in a game, an mmo nonetheless, let ppl make addons for it. Dont demand a profit driven company to make it.

    And you think that it would make any difference if people didn't specifically ask for it? If it's making them such a profit, then surely it would have been made regardless.

    Demand is certainly a huge driving factor like it was for mounts. If the demand for anet wasnt there but the qol of life was created from players anet would need to make a much more generous system to apease the status quo.

    Anet had heard the demand years now and back during the creation of arc's templates it was a term that his tool would be left to die when the real thing came out.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm a Gw1 player so i'm not particularly happy with the idea of a previously FREE! feature becoming monitized in the sequel game.

    That said however I kinda get it.. at least in terms of the gear slots anyway.
    But the build templates should absolutely be free!.. at least the storage ones anyway.
    I'm fine with the active build template slots being limited and the option to buy more.. that's fine but storage.. no! I should be able to store as many builds as I like without any charge, just like I could in Gw1!

    All that said.. i'm hearing that the active build templates will be based on character not account so if that is indeed true then I honestly don't care all that much.
    I'd rather make alt characters for different builds than build swap anyway and i'm going to continue doing so after the update.
    I will probably buy some build storage slots to store more builds providing they are fairly priced but I will not be buying active slots at all.
    800 gems for 3 storage slots is way too much, 600 is pushing it but acceptable when a sale hits, 400 gems would be my preferred price but anything above 800 gems is an instant black list for me and I will consider them a rip off and never buy them.

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