Tabootrinket.2631 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I mean look at all those wells in the utilities, and then look at the supposedly (single) special skill of the Catalyst. RIP Catalyst, goodbye ele, I'm getting back on my former thief main. I'm happy and sad at the same time. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xephir.7635 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Everyone shadowstepping and cata is on downstate 6 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Xephir.7635 said: Everyone shadowstepping and cata is on downstate Eles at this point could get new downstate skill to just die instantly instead of wasting seconds laying on the ground. 8 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleikopf.2491 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I don't see it. Wells would have been really nice as utilities, especially if they were combo fields. That I can agree with. Apart from that? Scepter we already have. Giving out barrier would be nice, but Tempest more or less fills the role of keeping people alive. Shadowstepping on the wells isn't really an Ele thing either. A 'Shroud' skill like Necro is weird to implement on Ele. The closes to that would be the 'Arcane Attunement' the community comes up with regularly, but it wouldn't be much different from a 5th attunement. Apart from that we don't know too much about Specter afaik. Catalyst is badly designed, that's something I can agree with. I don't see however how Spectre is doing something we want from Ele. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabootrinket.2631 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 47 minutes ago, Bleikopf.2491 said: I don't see it. Wells would have been really nice as utilities, especially if they were combo fields. That I can agree with. Apart from that? Scepter we already have. Giving out barrier would be nice, but Tempest more or less fills the role of keeping people alive. Shadowstepping on the wells isn't really an Ele thing either. A 'Shroud' skill like Necro is weird to implement on Ele. The closes to that would be the 'Arcane Attunement' the community comes up with regularly, but it wouldn't be much different from a 5th attunement. Apart from that we don't know too much about Specter afaik. Catalyst is badly designed, that's something I can agree with. I don't see however how Spectre is doing something we want from Ele. well of course not literally. But a sustainable class that can actually provide and make use of combo field —-> specter, not Catalyst. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 It really does seem the last 3 had the most thought put into them. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpicName.4523 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 OP confused thief with mesmer. Virtuoso is ranged and seems to fill the role elementalists are supposed to be best at. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallic.2397 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) I'm jealous that Spectre has a much better energy system and visual AI then catalyst does. You can barely see Catalyst's energy bar! Plus, energy has no purpose besides casting F5. But Spectre on the other hand builds energy, creates a whole new kit of skills, and then has its own mechanic of support which ties it all together like a nice little bow on a present. I'm not saying nerf/destroy Spectre, but where was that investment and creativity in making Catalyst? Edit: And untamed get a minor trait that boosts HP just cause they're a melee spec?? Um, Elems have been asking for that for years! Catalyst is getting literally the same weapon as Untamed and there is no thought process of increasing their HP. Edited October 23, 2021 by Stallic.2397 10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephen.3420 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 It's quite amazing the difference in effort. Take a look at Engineer even, their mech has traits that customize how it works what skills it has etc. And catalyst with their stationary 1 dimensial holo field. Yeah, I am hoping that this is just showing how much more polished classes can be with more time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I don't understand this line of thinking. Tempest is the support spec. Catalyst was supposed to be the 5 target melee with high passive sustain "bruiser" as CMC put it , weaver is the high DPS evade/barrier on dual attack "piano" spec. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Stallic.2397 said: You can barely see Catalyst's energy bar! They should put it over the health orb thing like they did for the Druid and Deadeye extra resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 It would of been nice if they gave cata wells and not what ever it has like scepter thf as well as the ability to shadow step with thoughts wells to stay in melee and barrier to let the class stay in melee with out being one shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 At this point I think nearly anything else is what the catalyst should have been. Unless the Mechanist's mech turns out to be terrible, the Catalyst is in the running for the worst elite spec of EoD, as well as the worst elite spec the Ele has. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I'm with eles in this one. You deserve a real bruiser style mid range (if that's what it ends up being) spec. Yes to extra vitality for elementalists in minors, or even higher toughness. No to rangers getting more free stats once more. I call bs. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowflare.2759 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I know what you mean. Looking at Specter's traits and comparing them to Catalyst...you realize just how uninspiring Catalyst traits are. Basically 7 out of 9 major traits are just stackable boons/stat boosts that are granted in a niche situation (and being stackable just means more hoops to jump through to get the most out of a boring mechanic), compared with Specter where they have so many traits that unlock legitimately interactive ways of playing the spec. There are just so many things wrong with Catalyst. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollbirtan.2915 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 2:59 AM, Xephir.7635 said: Everyone shadowstepping and cata is on downstate Vapor Form goes "brrrrrrrrrrrrrr" 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurosy.1384 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) On 10/22/2021 at 9:59 PM, Xephir.7635 said: Everyone shadowstepping and cata is on downstate exactly my thought after last spec live xDDD Also: everyone gets shadowstep, Catalyst can blow himself down a hill. XD (tbh i love that skill) Edited October 25, 2021 by kurosy.1384 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleikopf.2491 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 55 minutes ago, kurosy.1384 said: exactly my thought after last spec live xDDD Also: everyone gets shadowstep, Catalyst can blow himself down a hill. XD (tbh i love that skill) It's a cool skill. I'm just not too sure how useful it turns out to be. It would make more sense to knock the enemies away instead of down or yourself away, but it's obvious why ANet decided against it (to not mess with your party). It would probably be more useful if we had more ways to engage instead of Cata's one (1) leap skill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emberheart.8426 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 52 minutes ago, kurosy.1384 said: exactly my thought after last spec live xDDD Also: everyone gets shadowstep, Catalyst can blow himself down a hill. XD (tbh i love that skill) Imagine if there was an expansion where lots of classes got absurd mobility. Then you had this one class that had this anti-mobility mechanic, where you get forced to stand in one place with no reward to show for it. No way that would ever happen, right? 🤣 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Ganathar.4956 said: Imagine if there was an expansion where lots of classes got absurd mobility. Then you had this one class that had this anti-mobility mechanic, where you get forced to stand in one place with no reward to show for it. No way that would ever happen, right? 🤣 Hey, what can go wrong with giving the squishest class in the entire game a melee weapon that is slow af and wonky to use without any mobility skills, additionally giving only half of utility skills available most of the time unless you'll use them in perfect attumented jade well? But atleast we've got fancy 20% stat increase! It's something I guess. (ง ͡ಥ ͜ʖ ͡ಥ)ง 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, kurosy.1384 said: exactly my thought after last spec live xDDD Also: everyone gets shadowstep, Catalyst can blow himself down a hill. XD (tbh i love that skill) Except warrior. We didn't get no shadowstep. We got a convenient button to drop into enemy dmg more easily. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigrein.8514 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: Except warrior. We didn't get no shadowstep. We got a convenient button to drop into enemy dmg more easily. Petition to make the dash burst a shadowstep that hits everything between your start and end points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeTect.5918 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 12:55 AM, Serephen.3420 said: It's quite amazing the difference in effort. Take a look at Engineer even, their mech has traits that customize how it works what skills it has etc. As an engi main i dont understand why thats good. Nearly all engis are not happy about this. All traits are wasted for the mech skills. And your mech is going to die so hard in wvw zergs and pvp. Aside from that your mechanist is a worse core engi if the mech dies. It has even a 100 sec CD. Its not good that all traits are wasted for mech skills. We get 0 stuff for the player, no dmg reduction, no dmg increase, nothing. Just stuff like: your mech gets xx and has now xx. And in they said we can customize the mech as we want. But in reality its not possible. You have 3 trait variants: 111, 222 and 333. Just take a look to the engi forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephen.3420 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 The difference is Ele players came to the conclusion after playing it in the beta. Engineers have not. Now if these comments are heard after the beta then sure, 100% there with you. The idea and concept at the very least of how you can customise your mechanic with the traits like that is what I would have liked for the catalyst holo toy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsterfortytwo.6712 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) On 10/25/2021 at 12:29 PM, Bleikopf.2491 said: It's a cool skill. I'm just not too sure how useful it turns out to be. It would make more sense to knock the enemies away instead of down or yourself away, but it's obvious why ANet decided against it (to not mess with your party). It would probably be more useful if we had more ways to engage instead of Cata's one (1) leap skill. No, they let ranger lb4 exist. Give me a huge knockback and let me join content with untamed and see how they like it! Edited November 3, 2021 by Mogsterfortytwo.6712 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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