I feel excluded from EoD because Soo Won meta event is too hard

[AgentMoore.9453]

28 minutes ago, Ruru.1302 said:

Over 60% of current meta attempts succeed.

60% of what though? If a minority of players is attempting the meta and 60% of that minority succeeds, that's still a minority of players. This statistic only tells us that whoever is still bothering with Soo-Won has a ~60% chance of success, but it doesn't tell us how many people are engaging with the content. Without knowing that, 60% is essentially a nothing number.

I'd be far more interested to hear what percentage of players who own EoD are attempting/completing the DE meta successfully.

[yann.1946]

13 minutes ago, AgentMoore.9453 said:

60% of what though? If a minority of players is attempting the meta and 60% of that minority succeeds, that's still a minority of players. This statistic only tells us that whoever is still bothering with Soo-Won has a ~60% chance of success, but it doesn't tell us how many people are engaging with the content. Without knowing that, 60% is essentially a nothing number.

I'd be far more interested to hear what percentage of players who own EoD are attempting/completing the DE meta successfully.

While that also would be an interesting number, the 60 percent is still usefull to know. (or the increase is alteast) 

 

(the participation is also something they are trying to adress with the reward update) 

[SUPER GOD.6857]

Stumbled upon this golden thread while just checking the format that one receives the turtle egg after completing a meta (for a relative's egg, wanted to ensure they actually received it and what they need to do next).

On 4/5/2022 at 3:05 PM, Astralporing.1957 said:

The game tells you that you failed, but most of the time it doesn't actually tell you why, or how you could do to change that.

This makes me think you should go do Dhuum. Has the most explicit way of telling you exactly what you ask for when you fail.
"A reaper has been slain. The Ritual has failed, and so have you." Followed by a squad wipe. Very clear mechanic, don't let the reapers die.

[Astralporing.1957]

1 hour ago, SUPER GOD.6857 said:

Stumbled upon this golden thread while just checking the format that one receives the turtle egg after completing a meta (for a relative's egg, wanted to ensure they actually received it and what they need to do next).

This makes me think you should go do Dhuum. Has the most explicit way of telling you exactly what you ask for when you fail.
"A reaper has been slain. The Ritual has failed, and so have you." Followed by a squad wipe. Very clear mechanic, don't let the reapers die.

"most of the time". So, you hav found one of the few exceptions. Great job.

[vicky.9751]

 

 But weren't people asking for harder metas for years? Because PoF really had no metas. Now people are mad about a meta that requires coordination like auric basin?

Edited May 22, 2022 by vicky.9751

[Dante.1508]

I've done it 5 or 6 times and i've only seen a win once.. The crazy mechanics are stupid. That Tail and bite, aoes completely across the terrain, then half the terrian, smaller aoes all over with adds, the freezing you to waste time, the knocking you off the platforms as wisps to waste time that you can never get back up, the bubbles, the mini bosses platforms the parts i've forgotten... Can't even hit SooWon cause she never stands still.

We only get two dodges fellas..

And to top it all off the requirement to even get the meta and not have a map change.. then adding players trying to fish or do their story at the same time... And even if you pass the meta lol the rewards are garbage.. Hours work and yes its work, for nothing.

Its all just dumb and pointless

Edited May 22, 2022 by Dante.1508

[Sobx.1758]

1 minute ago, Dante.1508 said:

I've done it 5 or 6 times and i've only seen a win once.. The crazy mechanics are stupid. Aoes completely across the terrain, then half the terrian, smaller aoes all over with adds, the freezing you to waste time, the knocking you off the platforms as wisps to waste time that you can never get back up, the bubbles, the mini bosses platforms the parts i've forgotten...

And to top it all off the requirement to even get the meta and not have a map change.. then adding players trying to fish or do their story at the same time... And even if you pass the meta lol the rewards are garbage.. Hours work and yes its work, for nothing.

Its all just dumb and pointless

By your description every mechanic in any game is pointless since it requires you to do something so it's a waste of time/effort/whatever.

Edited May 22, 2022 by Sobx.1758

[Gorem.8104]

5 hours ago, vicky.9751 said:

 

 But weren't people asking for harder metas for years? Because PoF really had no metas. Now people are mad about a meta that requires coordination like auric basin?

One tiny HUGE difference here, AB is actually rewarding to play and doesn't take 2 hours of basically doing nothing while you get no rewards even if you succeed. 
Remove the entire pre-event, make Soo-Won have a higher success rate as it should already without needing a stacked squad, increase rewards and give more rewards per escort complete. 

PoF has meta's but they also don't really give much, PoF has bounties however which are both fun, quick, and rewarding. EoD has nothing that is fun, or quick, or rewarding. 

[Vayne.8563]

On 4/13/2022 at 5:58 AM, IAmNotMatthew.1058 said:

Might as well make the Commanders press the CC skills on everyone's keyboards.

Because teaching someone something is playing for them? k then.

[Vayne.8563]

On 4/15/2022 at 3:07 AM, Ruru.1302 said:

Well, the numbers are out now. Over 60% of current meta attempts succeed. No more excuses.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/arenanet-studio-update-april-2022/

So 40% fail.  And if you get a bad run and you only have 2 hours a night to play and you fail 3 times in a row, not impossible at 40% then you'll what, enjoy the game? Be having fun? Feel like you wasted your time? Feel angry at the game? Maybe stop playing?
 

60% isn't really a great result for something that takes this long, unless you have a lot of time to play.  People who play a few hours a week, that's a significant percentage of their time.

[Vayne.8563]

7 hours ago, vicky.9751 said:

 

 But weren't people asking for harder metas for years? Because PoF really had no metas. Now people are mad about a meta that requires coordination like auric basin?

POF has metas.  I mean if nothing else Serpent's Ire is a meta.  The portal spike meta (I forget the name) in the Desolation is another.  The Doppleganger in Elon Riverslands is a meta.  Plus there are easier metas as well, like the Hell Hounds in Vabbi, the Siege Wurms in Desolation.  I don't know why  you think PoF has no metas. They even aware hero's choice chests like other metas.

[yoni.7015]

5 minutes ago, Vayne.8563 said:

So 40% fail.  And if you get a bad run and you only have 2 hours a night to play and you fail 3 times in a row, not impossible at 40% then you'll what, enjoy the game? Be having fun? Feel like you wasted your time? Feel angry at the game? Maybe stop playing?
 

60% isn't really a great result for something that takes this long, unless you have a lot of time to play.  People who play a few hours a week, that's a significant percentage of their time.

You can easily see before joining a squad for the meta, if it is going to be successful. Just join a squad that is looking for and has enough Alac and quickness when it starts. 
I am in a DE Meta Event guild and tonight is gonna be the 50th successful Meta run. Usually half the squad is from guild, the other half is from LFG.  

Edited May 22, 2022 by yoni.7015

[Vayne.8563]

8 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

You can easily see before joining a squad for the meta, if it is going to be successful. Just join a squad that is looking for and has enough Alac and quickness when it starts. 
I am in a DE Meta Event guild and tonight is gonna be the 50th successful Meta run. Usually half the squad is from guild, the other half is from LFG.  

You're 100% right. I can easily see whether a squad will be successful. I seriously doubt most people can, or even know that's an option. Most people don't read forums or reddit, they play the game. They don't look at other sites. They see a meta, they do it, and probably get carried most of the time. This isn't a problem for me. I've done that meta a bunch of times, without much problem. I've succeeded far more than I've failed it. My success rate is much higher than 60%.

I also have every core legendary weapon, all but one of the HoT legendary weapons, and even one of the EoD legendary weapons. What I or you can or can't do really isn't the issue here. It's what happens to the average player who just strolls into the zone for the first time, completely unaware what's going on, who then wastes two hours fails and rage quits when it happens a few times.  

[yoni.7015]

7 minutes ago, Vayne.8563 said:

You're 100% right. I can easily see whether a squad will be successful. I seriously doubt most people can, or even know that's an option. Most people don't read forums or reddit, they play the game. They don't look at other sites. They see a meta, they do it, and probably get carried most of the time. This isn't a problem for me. I've done that meta a bunch of times, without much problem. I've succeeded far more than I've failed it. My success rate is much higher than 60%.

I also have every core legendary weapon, all but one of the HoT legendary weapons, and even one of the EoD legendary weapons. What I or you can or can't do really isn't the issue here. It's what happens to the average player who just strolls into the zone for the first time, completely unaware what's going on, who then wastes two hours fails and rage quits when it happens a few times.  

You always write about the average player. I am pretty sure the average player knows about the wiki, knows about the LFG and is able to look for a squad for the meta event. The DE meta is not the first meta where LFG is helpful to find a squad and a map. You basically do that for every meta. 
If someone fails at the meta, and we all did at the beginning, he realizes that this meta needs some preparation and coordination. The average player is not as stupid as you portray him. 

Edited May 22, 2022 by yoni.7015

[Vayne.8563]

14 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

You always write about the average player. I am pretty sure the average player knows about the wiki, knows about the LFG and is able to look for a squad for the meta event. The DE meta is not the first meta where LFG is helpful to find a squad and a map. You basically do that for every meta. 
If someone fails at the meta, and we all did at the beginning, he realizes that this meta needs some preparation and coordination. The average player is not as stupid as you portray him. 

You're so wrong about this. I'm sure of that. You may not agree or believe it, but people come home from work, turn on the game and try to kill some stuff. You may not think it's that way but it is.  In almost any game, the majority of the playerbase doesn't go outside the game for information, because they've played other games and in those games they didn't have to. Maybe the occassionally look at a forum or the wiki to find something very specific, but I deal with new and returning players all the time, including people that have been playing for a long time, and I'm telling you, there are a lot of people out there that aren't as together as you think. That's why I do it, in fact. If everyone would look in the wiki I wouldn't  have to.

[yoni.7015]

19 minutes ago, Vayne.8563 said:

You're so wrong about this. I'm sure of that. You may not agree or believe it, but people come home from work, turn on the game and try to kill some stuff. You may not think it's that way but it is.  In almost any game, the majority of the playerbase doesn't go outside the game for information, because they've played other games and in those games they didn't have to. Maybe the occassionally look at a forum or the wiki to find something very specific, but I deal with new and returning players all the time, including people that have been playing for a long time, and I'm telling you, there are a lot of people out there that aren't as together as you think. That's why I do it, in fact. If everyone would look in the wiki I wouldn't  have to.

If I am wrong then proof it please. 
New and returning players are not the average player. I doubt that the players you are dealing with are a valid basis for your claim. There are a lot of other games where you visit a wiki or other sites for additional information, this is not exclusive to GW2. Maybe not everyone looks in the wiki, but many do, you can even enter the wiki from the launcher. If someone doesn’t use the wiki then there is guild and map chat. In map chat people often refer to the wiki when someone asks something. 

Edited May 22, 2022 by yoni.7015

[IAmNotMatthew.1058]

2 hours ago, Vayne.8563 said:

Because teaching someone something is playing for them? k then.

The first renown heart you have to do in EoD does exactly that. If you skim over something or straight up skip it don't complain later you are not familiar with it. 

[Vayne.8563]

3 hours ago, yoni.7015 said:

If I am wrong then proof it please. 
New and returning players are not the average player. I doubt that the players you are dealing with are a valid basis for your claim. There are a lot of other games where you visit a wiki or other sites for additional information, this is not exclusive to GW2. Maybe not everyone looks in the wiki, but many do, you can even enter the wiki from the launcher. If someone doesn’t use the wiki then there is guild and map chat. In map chat people often refer to the wiki when someone asks something. 

I don't have to prove anything. I have an opinion, you have an opinion. If you look up the age of the average computer gamer, you'll find it's in the mid thirties.  People with jobs and wives and kids.  If you think they  want to come home and research their games to play them, that's fine. You can believe that. I don't believe that's the case.  But you know, everyone is perfectly capable of making their own determination of what they believe the average player to be.

I've pieced my information from everything I've learned over years of playing the games. You may have too. One of us is wrong. You can't prove your point and I can't prove mine.

[yoni.7015]

4 minutes ago, Vayne.8563 said:

I don't have to prove anything. I have an opinion, you have an opinion. If you look up the age of the average computer gamer, you'll find it's in the mid thirties.  People with jobs and wives and kids.  If you think they  want to come home and research their games to play them, that's fine. You can believe that. I don't believe that's the case.  But you know, everyone is perfectly capable of making their own determination of what they believe the average player to be.

I've pieced my information from everything I've learned over years of playing the games. You may have too. One of us is wrong. You can't prove your point and I can't prove mine.

With “research their games” you mean checking the wiki for a couple of minutes to find additional information. You don’t have to spend two hours after work every day in the wiki. And yes, it’s your opinion and not a fact. At least you acknowledge that. 

[Vayne.8563]

9 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

With “research their games” you mean checking the wiki for a couple of minutes to find additional information. You don’t have to spend two hours after work every day in the wiki. And yes, it’s your opinion and not a fact. At least you acknowledge that. 

For a lot of people, it's not a couple of minutes. Your contention is an average player can walk onto a map and know if it's going to fail or succeed without any real research. Because they can get this information from the wiki?  This isn't looking up where a chest is for a collection. It's a lot of different knowledge that comes together to allow people to make that determination. And many players if not most won't have that knowledge or skill set... in my opinion.

[yoni.7015]

1 minute ago, Vayne.8563 said:

For a lot of people, it's not a couple of minutes. Your contention is an average player can walk onto a map and know if it's going to fail or succeed without any real research. Because they can get this information from the wiki?  This isn't looking up where a chest is for a collection. It's a lot of different knowledge that comes together to allow people to make that determination. And many players if not most won't have that knowledge or skill set... in my opinion.

No, you don’t even need the wiki to see if the squad for the DE meta will be successful or not.  You just need the LFG. I never wrote that you need the wiki for that. 

[Vayne.8563]

2 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

No, you don’t even need the wiki to see if the squad for the DE meta will be successful or not.  You just need the LFG. I never wrote that you need the wiki for that. 

You need LFG to see if a squad will be successful or not? And you think the average player can twig that? lol k then

[yoni.7015]

3 minutes ago, Vayne.8563 said:

You need LFG to see if a squad will be successful or not? And you think the average player can twig that? lol k then

Yes, I explained this in a previous post. This is not rocket science. Or does the average player not have time to use the LFG after he came home from work to his wife and kid? 

Edited May 22, 2022 by yoni.7015

[Vayne.8563]

Just now, yoni.7015 said:

Yes, I explained this in a previous post. This is not a rocket science. Or doesn’t  the average player have time to use the LFG after he came home from work to his wife and kid? 

Sure, but the average player doesn't know about subsquads and I'm not even convinced the average player knows about alacrity. I don't believe the average player has the knowledge to seperate one group from another.

[yoni.7015]

3 minutes ago, Vayne.8563 said:

Sure, but the average player doesn't know about subsquads and I'm not even convinced the average player knows about alacrity. I don't believe the average player has the knowledge to seperate one group from another.

Now it is getting ridiculous. Well, I wrote before that the average player is not as stupid as you portray him. 

Edited May 22, 2022 by yoni.7015