Thoughts on Emboldened Boon, and suggestions

[Lion.6590]

Unfortunately that is something I don't care anymore. In FFXIV when the last Ultimate was added I saw a lot of complaints about how some people wouldn't get to clear it and how it was a waste of dev time because of that, this all because people were annoyed by the fact they couldn't get a weapon skin. How much of a selfish you have to be to complain about someone getting a visual as reward for something that they worked hard? Even if Anet made a basic legendary set without the skins(which I think should be done), I bet there would still be people that would complain about not being able to get the skins with the emboldened buff.

[Cynder.2509]

3 hours ago, Yello.3406 said:

How about we rename Envoy Armor to Envy Armor? This topic is completly rediculous.

Playing the game and rightfully earning stuff is a thing, you know? I got my 3 sets of the armor the "hard" and intended way. Why should it be given away for those who clearly can't master basic stuff in the game? Ascended armor already lost its worth because it was made easier to get and unfortunately the materials dropped in price as well. 

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

11 hours ago, Cynder.2509 said:

Playing the game and rightfully earning stuff is a thing, you know? I got my 3 sets of the armor the "hard" and intended way. Why should it be given away for those who clearly can't master basic stuff in the game? Ascended armor already lost its worth because it was made easier to get and unfortunately the materials dropped in price as well. 

Maybe people that did them before the patch , should get an achivmenet called :  "Scourge MVP and the rest did something , idk"

Edit: should we include also Guard MVP , for when it had the "aegis" Mantra of Solace ?

Edited June 25, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940

[Yello.3406]

37 minutes ago, Cynder.2509 said:

Playing the game and rightfully earning stuff is a thing, you know? I got my 3 sets of the armor the "hard" and intended way. Why should it be given away for those who clearly can't master basic stuff in the game? Ascended armor already lost its worth because it was made easier to get and unfortunately the materials dropped in price as well. 

This proves my point. This whole statement screams envy. Or the wish to invoke envy in "lesser" players. Look at what i achieved! Because if it was only for you (or anyone who supports OPs wish) this threat wouldn't exist. Because you know what you did. But you want everyone to know.

I know you can't see it, but a lot of people have pointed out, why this is not thought out very well.

It's the same as when the core-game went free to play and the forums blew up from envious people, because they had to pay full price for the game many years ago. Intolerable!

It was rediculous then and it is rediculous now. Noone with that mindset considers how little it actually affects them personally. It's just "I didn't have it, so they shouldn't have it"

[SlayerXX.7138]

2 hours ago, Cynder.2509 said:

Playing the game and rightfully earning stuff is a thing, you know? I got my 3 sets of the armor the "hard" and intended way. Why should it be given away for those who clearly can't master basic stuff in the game? Ascended armor already lost its worth because it was made easier to get and unfortunately the materials dropped in price as well. 

Did you now? Did you also play the real challenge mode? Play on a potato pc, with a normal mouse, 200 ping and halve death lfgs not stacking the most meta profession combination possible. What hard means is relative. Should we take legendary armor from people who did it with a guild on discord? Bonus title for people who did it purely per LFG and off meta picks? Ask yourself this: If you wanted the most smooth easy run possible

Would you rather go with full easy mode buff, with a couple of Randoms in the halve death lfg or
Run the normal mode with your guild in discord?

Of course it stings a little, but even at it worst you know the easy crowd has to play longer to get the same reward you got. If that is not enough maybe you and others can be loud enough so Anet reverses these changes. Then you can sit in your ivory tower your achievements untouched playing wing 1-7 for all eternity, screaming at the sky why Anet doesn't revitalize raids for once.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Albi.7250

[Astralporing.1957]

5 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

Maybe people that did them before the patch , should get an achivmenet called :  "Scourge MVP and the rest did something , idk"

Edit: should we include also Guard MVP , for when it had the "aegis" Mantra of Solace ?

Distort chrono ftw

[Tuna Bandit.3786]

Hmm, sounds similar to the armory discussion.

You're looking for validation, as were people that made multiple sets of the same weight, also were looking for their validation.

But what is that validation? I do things for myself, not to boast to others. Otherwise I would not have completely reskinned my own armor and disable the accesoires effects.

The idea is to get more people into Raids, and this mode makes me think "Hmm interesting, might go for Raid armor"

Exclude raid armor... fine by me... No raids for me, cya in WvW to complete my mid and heavy set. Not a problem.

Emboldened mode alone is NOT be ANY means enough reason for me to try Raids now... Id simply say "yeah ehhh... back to WvW grinding" 

[Raizel.1839]

I won't care, just like jade buffs I'm not bothering to get it everytime.

[ArchonWing.9480]

12 hours ago, Cynder.2509 said:

Ascended armor already lost its worth because it was made easier to get and unfortunately the materials dropped in price as well. 

Why do you say that like it's a bad thing?

 

[Dante.1508]

Turning off rewards for embolding bonuses will kill anyone new wanting to get into raiding.. You literally will be removing any reasons why a new person wants to start raiding..

 

No one goes through all that toxicity for the thrill of it..

 

To be frank suck it up princess and understand things change, what you went through is not what newer raiders will go through, making everything about you will not help the populations raiding.

Edited June 26, 2022 by Dante.1508

[Cynder.2509]

10 hours ago, Dante.1508 said:

Turning off rewards for embolding bonuses will kill anyone new wanting to get into raiding.. You literally will be removing any reasons why a new person wants to start raiding..

 

No one goes through all that toxicity for the thrill of it..

 

To be frank suck it up princess and understand things change, what you went through is not what newer raiders will go through, making everything about you will not help the populations raiding.

First of all, don't misgender me with "princess". 
Second, if a group is too toxic then just make your own in lfg. Also there's tons of training guilds to get new raiders set up. 
The official GW2 discord has all the resources you need with training runs being advertised quite often. 

[Astralporing.1957]

1 minute ago, Cynder.2509 said:

The official GW2 discord has all the resources you need with training runs being advertised quite often. 

There's an official GW2 discord? That's news to me.

[Farohna.6247]

As someone who does not raid in GW2, I don't find this exciting.  I did not say wow I suddenly want to raid, clap hands, squeal with glee.  

I hope it works as intended (always thought that strike missions were intended to be one and done bosses and training for raids but alas they are not), and that it helps bring players into the raiding community who frequently scream that they are neglected and wonder why people don't play with them.  

Confess I actually felt disappointed that they seem to be pushing more and more into raids.  I play for open world, occasionally enjoy fractals, a little WvW, and general exploring and achievements....all of which do not require me to sit for an hour or two on one task.  I know, I know...a buff making it easier would speed it up but still it requires organization and not just drop in and drop out.  Just kind of a big meh, hope it targets who it's intended to and not just a waste of resources.

[Artemis.8034]

I will say this I have no problems with easier raids for people that dont know how to do them, or never thought they would do them. I am of the line of thought that no progress toward legendary armor should be awarded through this mode though. Even though people buy carries ...not a fan of that either...I think you should have to do the normal way to get your legendary.  

[Farohna.6247]

3 minutes ago, Artemis.8034 said:

I will say this I have no problems with easier raids for people that dont know how to do them, or never thought they would do them. I am of the line of thought that no progress toward legendary armor should be awarded through this mode though. Even though people buy carries ...not a fan of that either...I think you should have to do the normal way to get your legendary.  

I absolutely agree on that, it should remain as part of normal raids.  These should be for training and developing raid skills.

[Artemis.8034]

3 hours ago, Farohna.6247 said:

Confess I actually felt disappointed that they seem to be pushing more and more into raids.  I play for open world, occasionally enjoy fractals, a little WvW, and general exploring and achievements....all of which do not require me to sit for an hour or two on one task.  I know, I know...a buff making it easier would speed it up but still it requires organization and not just drop in and drop out.  Just kind of a big meh, hope it targets who it's intended to and not just a waste of resources.

then please support my idea 

 

[Farohna.6247]

9 minutes ago, Artemis.8034 said:

then please support my idea 

 

I actually like the idea for an additional way to craft legendary gear...you already do a lot of different content for weapons, I'm not opposed to one more method of obtaining it without taking away from the challenge of raids or the time and effort of WvW.  Also I like the dungeons, and don't require quite so many people.  I've hedged on it before, but if they're pushing for more raid based content, then I would definitely support you on this. 

[Artemis.8034]

4 minutes ago, Farohna.6247 said:

I actually like the idea for an additional way to craft legendary gear...you already do a lot of different content for weapons, I'm not opposed to one more method of obtaining it without taking away from the challenge of raids or the time and effort of WvW.  Also I like the dungeons, and don't require quite so many people.  I've hedged on it before, but if they're pushing for more raid based content, then I would definitely support you on this. 

I hope they will do something like this, it would go a long way to get people out there and have a long term goal that is actually something they can do. And they can do it across the world and it can refresh the zones and the dungeons. I would do it and i have 2 legendary raid precursors already. And some of the gifts to craft them into leggy

[Dante.1508]

18 hours ago, Artemis.8034 said:

I will say this I have no problems with easier raids for people that dont know how to do them, or never thought they would do them. I am of the line of thought that no progress toward legendary armor should be awarded through this mode though. Even though people buy carries ...not a fan of that either...I think you should have to do the normal way to get your legendary.  

Well i was thinking of trying these out but if people like you want all the rewards removed i never will.. Legendary armor was the reason i was going to look into it and an easier time had was my inlet..

[mindcircus.1506]

12 minutes ago, Dante.1508 said:

Well i was thinking of trying these out but if people like you want all the rewards removed i never will.. Legendary armor was the reason i was going to look into it and an easier time had was my inlet..

"I was going to try this content but your opinion on rewards is stopping me"
 

[Dante.1508]

32 minutes ago, mindcircus.1506 said:

"I was going to try this content but your opinion on rewards is stopping me"
 

Because the rewards will be removed if these people moan enough, and if these people are you typical raiders i'd rather not be dealing with them bagging me out for an easy mode in their words..

[Caliboom.3218]

I'm pretty sure the reason why a lot of people don't do raids is not because they're difficult, but because they're a toxic cesspool, with commanders blaming everyone after a singular wipe and every squad requiring a bajillion KP to enter.  And this thread proves that raiders are more toxic than literal radioactive waste.

[Artemis.8034]

13 hours ago, Dante.1508 said:

Well i was thinking of trying these out but if people like you want all the rewards removed i never will.. Legendary armor was the reason i was going to look into it and an easier time had was my inlet..

Im sorry but the legendary armor has challenges tied to it. Even regular raiders in normal raids you cant cheese it , you cant bring SYG and cheese greens to get your heart , so why would you think you can negate any challenge to getting the armor? I dont care how many carries you buy you still cant miss a green and you still cant get lifted or downed, they are not going to remove that mechanic its part of the legendary trials to get the armor. I never said remove rewards , the boss can drop its normal ascended items, I said that the legendary achievements should not be part of it, and most likely wont.

 

If you want leggy armor then instead of being bitter over raiders or pvpers or wvw players getting it through those routes, join with those of us that are asking for a legendary armor journey for the overworld players. World bosses , dungeons, metas, JPs, collections and achievements from around the world. Anet imo needs to add a set made for the overworld players its the largest segment of the game base after all.  

[Artemis.8034]

5 hours ago, Caliboom.3218 said:

I'm pretty sure the reason why a lot of people don't do raids is not because they're difficult, but because they're a toxic cesspool, with commanders blaming everyone after a singular wipe and every squad requiring a bajillion KP to enter.  And this thread proves that raiders are more toxic than literal radioactive waste.

Thats so not true, not everyone is an elitist. There are many raiders that help people learn to raid, there are many that take people in to raids and dont berate them. I know because I am not a great raider and these people helped me, and I have been in pugs where I screwed up and wiped everyone the commanders were its okay we try again. Yes I have been in pugs where it was an instant kick, but I dont call the whole community toxic because of it. Get up and move on, if you caused the wipe or you screwed up learn from your mistakes and improve, thats how you raid.  If you refuse then its on you.

[Xerac.1542]

20 minutes ago, Artemis.8034 said:

Im sorry but the legendary armor has challenges tied to it. Even regular raiders in normal raids you cant cheese it , you cant bring SYG and cheese greens to get your heart , so why would you think you can negate any challenge to getting the armor? I dont care how many carries you buy you still cant miss a green and you still cant get lifted or downed, they are not going to remove that mechanic its part of the legendary trials to get the armor. I never said remove rewards , the boss can drop its normal ascended items, I said that the legendary achievements should not be part of it, and most likely wont.

[SNIP] 

Ah yes, the only reason I will join no KP, heart achievement, emboldened runs. Seeing people suffer at greens and getting mad at each other at MO. 

I will see you suffer as I have and I will enjoy it. 

But on a serious note... I first felt like they should disable the envoy achievements during the buff weeks because at +10 stacks getting downed by cairn seems rather unlikely. After sleeping it over I actually don't care anymore. If anyone gets their full envoy by just running the buffed wings, fine, take it. That is almost as impressive as farming LI by just doing Escort.

Let's see how this turns out. Best thing to happen is raids get popular enough to validate a new wing(because let's be honest all wings are wonderfully designed). 

Worst thing to happen is ppl get an easier way to obtain their armor and stop asking for it on forums. 

 

Best of luck to all of you!