Sobx.1758 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Labjax.2465 said: I will just say... some people say stuff like: "don't like how it is, make your own group." So why is it they get away with having that mentality, but it's strange for me to criticize how players act over design from the other end? "We just work with what they give us" in other words, could be said for players who disengage because of the state of LFG too. Seems kind of double standard the way this gets talked about. Um... "get away" with what again? Those people are creating the groups they want to see instead of complaining that others don't create those for them. How is this still something you don't understand? You were already trying to claim that people saying "everyone can make their own group" try to somehow offload their responsibilities(?) on others, except... this whole complaint is about people that are already creating the squads they want to participate in. Lets be clear about it: people that are creating their squads aren't offloading anything -or "getting away" with anything- when they say others can do the same. Edited July 19, 2022 by Sobx.1758 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Labjax.2465 said: I will just say... some people say stuff like: "don't like how it is, make your own group." So why is it they get away with having that mentality, but it's strange for me to criticize how players act over design from the other end? "We just work with what they give us" in other words, could be said for players who disengage because of the state of LFG too. Seems kind of double standard the way this gets talked about. Remember , if you try to join their groups and you dont meet their criteria you are toxic casual . If you try to demand an auto LFG , while they enjoy their KP groups + Discord channels (because even them dont use the LFG) , you are still a toxic casual 😛 (hopefully the last wave of casuals will do the raid part and entirly end this farce + hopefully for some open World Legendary in the next expanion , then we will have peace 😛 Or an exotic set for each year aniversary for each character , while each passing year allows you to upgrade a single piece to Legendary (with some dailies quests-populate the maps ). Either get a full set Legendary in 6 years playing the game or do 1 year content ) Edited July 19, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) Quote Remember , if you try to join their groups and you dont meet their criteria you are toxic casual . Why would you try to join a group that does something you disagree with? 🤔 Quote Or an exotic set for each year aniversary for each character , while each passing year allows you to upgrade a single piece to Legendary (with some dailies quests-populate the maps ). Either get a full set Legendary in 6 years playing the game or do 1 year content ) Ah, free rewards. Duh. Edited July 19, 2022 by Sobx.1758 1 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: Why would you try to join a group that does something you disagree with? 🤔 Ah, free rewards. Duh. Yeah Just like in a Stream the Devs told us that Legendary gear are participation rewards , not prestige like raiders believe . The long term commintment (6 years) will full fill the same role , with people populating the things they love and get rewarded after 6 years It might hurt the Rid -sellers , but who cares about them Edited July 19, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Yeah Just like in a Stream the Devs told us that Legendary gear are participation rewards , not prestige like raiders believe . Yeah, so go participate in the content to get the rewards instead of spending time on the forum trying to pull the rewards out of the content you don't want to participate in. How is this bringing anything new here? Anyways, anything you'll have to say here is probably already responded directly to you in one of the previous threads. Edited July 19, 2022 by Sobx.1758 ..."in" 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, Sobx.1758 said: Yeah, so go participate in the content to get the rewards instead of spending time on the forum trying to pull the rewards out of the content you don't want to participate. How is this bringing anything new here? Anyways, anything you'll have to say here is probably already responded directly to you in one of the previous threads. The long term commintment (6 years) will full fill the same role , with people populating the things they love and get rewarded after 6 years 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: The long term commintment (6 years) will full fill the same role , with people populating the things they love and get rewarded after 6 years No, creating the account 6 years ago and comming back to a birthday presents spam including long term/legendary rewards doesn't fulfill the same role 🤦♂️ Now go participate in the content and get that participation reward. Edited July 19, 2022 by Sobx.1758 game -> account :D 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: No, creating the game 6 years ago and comming back to a birthday presents spam including long term/legendary rewards doesn't fulfill the same role 🤦♂️ Now go participate in the content and get that participation reward. It does for those who play for 6 straight years . We should ban Raid Sellers that allow customers-people to stay dead forthe whole fights and get Legendary gear in Roids Edited July 19, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: It does for those who play for 6 straight years . Birthday presents have nothing to do with playtime or activity, so no. Stop making up your alternative reality, just because you want to bait more free/passive rewards. Good luck in participating in content you want the rewards from, though. 3 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: We should ban Raid Sellers True! Pretty sure I already said in the past that I think selling raids shouldn't be allowed. Not sure what it has to do with anything that was written here. That's where I'll stop with you, since you're already dodging whatever I write over and over again anyways 😄 Edited July 19, 2022 by Sobx.1758 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: Birthday presents have nothing to do with playtime or activity, so no. Stop making up your alternative reality, just because you want to bait more free/passive rewards. Good luck in participating in content you want the rewards from, though. True! Not sure what it has to do with anything that was written here. That's where I'll stop with you, since you're already dodging whatever I write over and over again anyways 😄 You are telling me that a miniscule people will benefit from leaving and coming back. I say this is a "commitment" part and people comming back will : a) feel good b) do quests to populate the maps + unlock the lege form The ones hurting the game with offering free Legendary gear is the Raid sellers , which we should ban them and force them to sell things throught the AH , like like the flowery aura from CM streikes Edited July 19, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: You are telling me that a miniscule people will benefit from leaving and coming back. I say this is a "commitment" part and people comming back will : a) feel good b) do quests to populate the maps + unlock the lege form No, that's not what I'm saying, stop dodging what I wrote. ...and you're doing the dailies anyways, which already have their own rewards. 🙄 Quote The ones hurting the game with offering free Legendary gear is the Raid sellers Why do you keep repeating this to me? This has nothing to do with what is written here. I already said I agree -and pretty sure said so in the past- that selling raids shouldn't be allowed. Is this supposed to be some weak failed bait because you think I'm someone I'm not? If you really think raid sellers are bad, start posting about that -but that's not your main point and never was. Instead your main point is nothing else than consistently baiting for more free/passive/easy rewards for yourself, lmao. Maybe you should start responding to what you're quoting for a change. Until then, I'm done 🤦♂️ Edited July 19, 2022 by Sobx.1758 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: No, that's not what I'm saying, stop dodging what I wrote. ...and you're doing the dailies anyways, which already have their own rewards. 🙄 Why do you keep repeating this to me? This has nothing to do with what is written here. I already said I agree -and pretty sure said so in the past- that selling raids shouldn't be allowed. Is this supposed to be some weak failed bait because you think I'm someone I'm not? Maybe you should start responding to what you're quoting for a change. Until then, I'm done 🤦♂️ You should re-read what is wrote . After 6 years the have the option to unlock the Legendary , but they must populate the maps , if they rae playing for 6 years or comming back after 6 years . So you wrong in this one. You are the ones saying that it would benefit some people from qutting and comming back . Which is shown you its not true and the ones hurting the game most with free Legendary is Raid sellers . I have more insights than you , what is trully hurting the game with free rewards Edited July 19, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindcircus.1506 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Or an exotic set for each year aniversary for each character , while each passing year allows you to upgrade a single piece to Legendary (with some dailies quests-populate the maps ). Either get a full set Legendary in 6 years playing the game or do 1 year content ) Is it just me, or did you just argue for legendary armor as a login reward? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Remember , if you try to join their groups and you dont meet their criteria you are toxic casual . If you try to demand an auto LFG , while they enjoy their KP groups + Discord channels (because even them dont use the LFG) , you are still a toxic casual 😛 (hopefully the last wave of casuals will do the raid part and entirly end this farce + hopefully for some open World Legendary in the next expanion , then we will have peace 😛 Or an exotic set for each year aniversary for each character , while each passing year allows you to upgrade a single piece to Legendary (with some dailies quests-populate the maps ). Either get a full set Legendary in 6 years playing the game or do 1 year content ) What else would you call someone who joins a group with no intention of fulfilling the role requirements requested by the group because they feel entitled to the rewards? As to your suggestion for legendary login rewards... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, AliamRationem.5172 said: What else would you call someone who joins a group with no intention of fulfilling the role requirements requested by the group because they feel entitled to the rewards? As to your suggestion for legendary login rewards... And if are that toxic , allow us toplay how we want (auto-lfg like FF14 , WoW ) ,rather to dictate us if we are gonna have a system or not . She procced to tell me that an auto-lfg mean 'free loot" and then i procced to counter-argument it with that "free rewards" meaning staying dead while the Raid sellers are doing the job for you (also we should ban them and they should sell stuff throught the TP like the rest of us , just like the CM strike flowery aura) And yes...with some dailies quests-populate the maps .....means legendary login rewards... How did you know ?.... Edited July 20, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nash.2681 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: And if are that toxic , allow us toplay how we want (auto-lfg like FF14 , WoW ) ,rather to dictate us if we are gonna have a system or not . [...] Open lfg -> browse to the tab of your desired content -> advertise your party/squad -> write something like "all welcome, play how you want" = problem solved. Granted, that's no auto-lfg (which will likely never happen due to how GW2 build system works), but an easy work around. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Linken.6345 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: And if are that toxic , allow us toplay how we want (auto-lfg like FF14 , WoW ) ,rather to dictate us if we are gonna have a system or not . She procced to tell me that an auto-lfg mean 'free loot" and then i procced to counter-argument it with that "free rewards" meaning staying dead while the Raid sellers are doing the job for you (also we should ban them and they should sell stuff throught the TP like the rest of us , just like the CM strike flowery aura) And yes...with some dailies quests-populate the maps .....means legendary login rewards... How did you know ?.... Well auto lfg is not needed for you to play how you want tho. Just because you want a lazy 1 button press and forgett about it button. Dont make us somehow dictate how you play just how you form your group. Edit All we ask is you form it just like anyone else use the ingame tools. Edited July 20, 2022 by Linken.6345 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNotMatthew.1058 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 22 hours ago, Labjax.2465 said: I will just say... some people say stuff like: "don't like how it is, make your own group." So why is it they get away with having that mentality, but it's strange for me to criticize how players act over design from the other end? "We just work with what they give us" in other words, could be said for players who disengage because of the state of LFG too. Seems kind of double standard the way this gets talked about. People creating those groups are not criticizing others, you are criticizing them. The game has no rules on what kind of groups you can create, but the game has rules on how you can behave. 18 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Remember , if you try to join their groups and you dont meet their criteria you are toxic casual . If you are trying to force your way into the group yes. The people in a group with certain requirement join because they want to play with people who meet those requirements. For example: You don't apply to a Mechanical Engineering position with only secondary education in Basic Engineering, if you do then it's not the employer's fault for rejecting you. You are mocking people calling others toxic casuals while you are pretty much portraying what they call toxic casuals. 9 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: And if are that toxic , allow us toplay how we want (auto-lfg like FF14 , WoW ) ,rather to dictate us if we are gonna have a system or not . You can play however you want, but when demanding to be allowed to play however you want you need to keep it in mind others can play however they want, if it includes only playing with certain people, it's their way of playing. Opening the LFG tab, clicking on Strikes and joining a squad asking for DPS or anything you can fill is not rocket science. Auto LFG could work if implemented properly, you queue up as Heal and Alac at once and then get matched into a squad that's missing one. Alternatively, queue up as such and a squad's leader can decide if they want you in or not. There's a good chance it would get rid of the annoyance of 7 people joining and going "Hi DPS". 10 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: She procced to tell me that an auto-lfg mean 'free loot" and then i procced to counter-argument it with that "free rewards" meaning staying dead while the Raid sellers are doing the job for you If you are being carried by a Raid Seller it's not free loot, you have to pay the Raid Seller, you know that, right? 10 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: (also we should ban them and they should sell stuff throught the TP like the rest of us , just like the CM strike flowery aura) Run selling has been in Guild Wars for a very long time, in GW1 you could see people in Kamadan offering carries through content for compensation. Anet doesn't support, nor prohibit it. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTGuevara.9018 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 On 7/3/2022 at 2:57 PM, mythical.6315 said: The second someone feels excluded. Edit: Heh Heh. Perhaps I hit a nerve with this post and it struck a little too true for them to bear. Oh you said it! Look at your heart to confused emoji ratio lmao! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsabelDawn.8950 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 For me, the important difference between elitism and efficiency is if you remember that: - An MMO is a social activity to be shared with other players I am currently trying to dip my toes into endgame content myself and I do things that drive folk mental. I dont always know what to do or even what gear I need. For me, the elitist is the person who will smacktalk me and kick me from the group without even trying to help, while the efficiency-oriented player is the one who helps me out by telling me what I need to do, what gear I need to get, and how to aquire them. People who point the way are not elitists, even if they need me to get out of their way right now, and I'd be very, very happy to help them out in the future once I've learned the ropes and am good to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormemperor.3745 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) Lower Efficiency gives birth to Elitism. https://i.imgur.com/JdY1Xkm.jpg Edited July 30, 2022 by stormemperor.3745 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchslein.8639 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 7/27/2022 at 12:47 PM, IsabelDawn.8950 said: For me, the important difference between elitism and efficiency is if you remember that: - An MMO is a social activity to be shared with other players I am currently trying to dip my toes into endgame content myself and I do things that drive folk mental. I dont always know what to do or even what gear I need. For me, the elitist is the person who will smacktalk me and kick me from the group without even trying to help, while the efficiency-oriented player is the one who helps me out by telling me what I need to do, what gear I need to get, and how to aquire them. People who point the way are not elitists, even if they need me to get out of their way right now, and I'd be very, very happy to help them out in the future once I've learned the ropes and am good to go. No. Pls, you also must admit that it is not someone else responsibility to look after you. Esspecially when i don't know you and/or not ask. I would not smacktalk you, but i would also not help you. At least not in a extensively way. And this is not because i'm an elitist, but because i play this game in MY freetime. Which i have not a lot of in the moment. So i don't want to spend this time, helping someone i don't even know. If i misunderstood youre post i'm sorry. But this was how i understood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakeneko.5826 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 7/20/2022 at 6:35 PM, Linken.6345 said: Well auto lfg is not needed for you to play how you want tho. Auto lfg puts players into functional party: you choose if you are healer, tank or DPS before entering the pool. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boz.2038 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Bakeneko.5826 said: Auto lfg puts players into functional party: you choose if you are healer, tank or DPS before entering the pool. GW has way more build types and specific fight roles than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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