XXX.8196 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 As someone who was hardcore using Support Vindicator in Small-scale, I am not biased therefore I want to point the obvious that Support Vindicator needs changed and it needs changed quick so people don't take full advantage of it. Support Vindicator was given 2 dodges, therefore you dodge non stop. Using double energy sigil, so you get endurance back on weapon swap (a full dodge), your f2 giving you another dodge, tree song giving endurance when cleansing, etc.. The endurance traits needs to be changed/reworked to prevent a full on Dodge Spam only class. A rotation could look something like this, Dodge, Dodge, Tree song, dodge, weapon swap, dodge, f2, dodge, tree song, dodge, tree song, dodge, weapon swap, dodge, it's just dodge spam/weapon swap/tree song, and that's it. I understand the barrier and heal was halfed, but you are almost keeping full dodge uptime and barrier uptime, so the endurance needs to be addressed or revert it back to it's original form pre patch. 1 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 /mirage hobbles over with a cane to see what all the hoopla is about /sees vindicator jumparkouring/hopskipping/sumavaultingsaulting everywhere /mutters and goes back to their coffin 3 1 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alteriel valie.4751 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 someone posted this 😂https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1609319320 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I wonder how much testing was done on this. Cos i saw this coming miles away and told my guildies in discord this was going to happen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) dude. how dumb can you be. could be trollnet at work tho. Edited October 4, 2022 by Stand The Wall.6987 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Yes, this needs fixed immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Mode.3780 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Vindicator was made with 1 dodge in mind, give them 2 dodges this is what happens. Mirage was made with 2 dodge in mind, take away 1 dodge and this is what happens. 3 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Ya Yeah.7381 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I really think it is funny to see them hopping around like the incredible Hulk, BUT, it is making it hard for me to test new zerg builds and for that I find them very annoying and not cool. Hotfix the Hulkinators please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepoolpe.9217 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 16 hours ago, Sleepwalker.1398 said: I wonder how much testing was done on this. Testing?🤣 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Rev has too many traits that enhance endurance regen currently and too many of them scale heavily with the number of players around them. Some of these things should be completely reworked into other things that don't give endurance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) Nah, sup scrapper still OP as f*ck. Support Vindicator does not compare with the scraper when Scraper have already cleaned 1k condis the Vindicator have 200-300 condis Engineer has continued to be a dominant force in WvW. Please consider nerf it ASAP. Edited October 5, 2022 by noneHotBuildTest.7251 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I pulled out my cele Vindi last night to see what all the talk was about. During the first 2 fights, I didn't even know what the buttons I was pushing did. After our group of 8 or so wiped the zerg that second time, I finally looked at the descriptions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, HazyDaisy.4107 said: I pulled out my cele Vindi last night to see what all the talk was about. During the first 2 fights, I didn't even know what the buttons I was pushing did. After our group of 8 or so wiped the zerg that second time, I finally looked at the descriptions... Same here. Not cele though. And zero prior experience on the spec. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) But guys we need more low intensity face roll specs to play, please stop asking for nerwfs and ask for more underdunder specs to play! Edited October 10, 2022 by Xenesis.6389 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 20 hours ago, Xenesis.6389 said: /mirage hobbles over with a cane to see what all the hoopla is about /sees vindicator jumparkouring/hopskipping/sumavaultingsaulting everywhere /mutters and goes back to their coffin I also remember the old days of the Daredevil ping pong of death dodging thru enemy zergs and killing peeps from one end to the other. Will have to set one of these up to see to see how they might be adjusted or killed if not. Need to do some testing. Was working on the changes on the War Berserker elite first since it seemed to have changes that would impact game play and timing. Sounds like one of those that it looks good on paper changes but when combined..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Xenesis.6389 said: But gais we need more low intensity face roll specs to play, please stop asking for nerwfs and ask for more underdunder specs to play! To be fair, I think this was more a result of just overlooking something rather than purposeful low apm design and playing favorites with the professions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Just now, Chaba.5410 said: To be fair, I think this was more a result of just overlooking something rather than purposeful low apm design and playing favorites with the professions. Oh I'm sure it's them overlooking some things in regards to the change, bound to happen when they try to chain too many things together on one specific thing. But I'm gonna make fun of the situation in the meantime. 🤭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Someone please take it into a PvE raid, it'll get hotfixed in 3 minutes. If it's only WvW it will maybe get fixed when the next expansion comes out because the next elite need to be more OP. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, Xenesis.6389 said: Oh I'm sure it's them overlooking some things in regards to the change, bound to happen when they try to chain too many things together on one specific thing. But I'm gonna make fun of the situation in the meantime. 🤭 We ran 4 in a 30 person group, had 1 scrapper…. Similar other comp, and we were grinding down guild groups of 45-50…. It’s clearly broken. We would lose maybe 4-5 each engage. Everyone was talking about how broken it was. If everyone runs it, fights will last effectively indefinitely with run backs. Even with the low brow play we have before this, this just makes it gross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Sounding like it's everyone create a Vindi weekend event in the making. Flash mob anyone? Question is what will make sense here if it is over-tuned? Nerfing the sigil isn't a good answer. Haven't looked for posts where the negative feedback was coming from on the single dodge. Is it over-tuned on all three GM traits or just some? Anyone run into it in sPvP since that might be where the negative feedback came from that triggered the adjustment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 36 minutes ago, Strider Pj.2193 said: We ran 4 in a 30 person group, had 1 scrapper…. Similar other comp, and we were grinding down guild groups of 45-50…. It’s clearly broken. We would lose maybe 4-5 each engage. Everyone was talking about how broken it was. If everyone runs it, fights will last effectively indefinitely with run backs. Even with the low brow play we have before this, this just makes it gross. Will be interesting to see how fast they bother with a hot fix, and how many groups catch up and abuse it by tonight. Considering they make such a big deal over needing time to make balance changes, "everything is down a pipeline we can't just change stuff instantly!" Plus it's wvw, not a priority, wouldn't be surprised if it's around until their "next" balance patch in nov. 🤭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Xenesis.6389 said: Will be interesting to see how fast they bother with a hot fix, and how many groups catch up and abuse it by tonight. Considering they make such a big deal over needing time to make balance changes, "everything is down a pipeline we can't just change stuff instantly!" Plus it's wvw, not a priority, wouldn't be surprised if it's around until their "next" balance patch in nov. 🤭 With a post two weeks before that says something to the effect of ‘we heard your concerns and are going to buff Vindicator and take dodge completely away fro mirage.’ 😏😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Xenesis.6389 said: But gais we need more low intensity face roll specs to play, please stop asking for nerwfs and ask for more underdunder specs to play! But i play Mesmer, someone somewhere always has a grudge against us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sleepwalker.1398 said: But i play Mesmer, someone somewhere always has a grudge against us. </grabs pitchfork and torch> We got some business to attend to. Be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Just now, TheGrimm.5624 said: </grabs pitchfork and torch> We got some business to attend to. Be back. Do you want to lose another dodge? cause this is how you lose another dodge mister! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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