You have GOT to be kidding me with this (an EoD rant / review)

[Hindenburg.3415]

17 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

As someone who has by now crafted over 20 gen3 legendaries, the last one 1.5 weeks ago, which requires a significant amount of EoD meta farming. You are talking nonsense.

 

Sure thing bud.  You know my experiences better than me.

25 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

Please make yourself aware of how to use this games LFG system because you seem unaware of how to find active maps.

 

I am pretty sure I know how it works , thanks.

 

[Cyninja.2954]

5 minutes ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

 

Sure thing bud.  You know my experiences better than me.

 

I am pretty sure I know how it works , thanks.

 

 

What ever works for you. Just saying given the market around resources FROM the supposedly dead EoD metas is very active, your experience while certainly unique, seems far more like spreading fake nonsense on a forum. Something quite common with many players who know that EoD is dead, yet almost spend no time there.

[Hindenburg.3415]

14 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

What ever works for you. Just saying given the market around resources FROM the supposedly dead EoD metas is very active, your experience while certainly unique, seems far more like spreading fake nonsense on a forum. Something quite common with many players who know that EoD is dead, yet almost spend no time there.

 

Sure thing.

Not a single Dragon's End meta has started in a last 12 hours ( I personally checked every time ) but it's me who "spreading fake nonsense".

Also I am pretty sure you are not actually required to do any meta to craft legendaries.

[yoni.7015]

3 minutes ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

 

Sure thing.

Not a single Dragon's End meta has started in a last 12 hours ( I personally checked every time ) but it's me who "spreading fake nonsense".

Also I am pretty sure you are not actually required to do any meta to craft legendaries.

I am in a group that runs the DE meta several times a week, we did run it daily but now it’s three times a week. There are several other groups like us. 
If you want to do the meta and there is no group in LFG, just start your own group, people will join.

Edited December 6, 2022 by yoni.7015

[Cyninja.2954]

2 minutes ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

 

Sure thing.

Not a single Dragon's End meta has started in a last 12 hours ( I personally checked every time ) but it's me who "spreading fake nonsense".

 

That is actually incorrect. Not every DE meta might make it into the LFG, but they are being run.

2 minutes ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

Also I am pretty sure you are not actually required to do any meta to craft legendaries.

You need a minimum of 2.5k imperial favor (3.5k if you build the pre yourself), which is insanely slow in any other content BESIDES metas. We are talking maybe 100 per week if running a LOT of WvW (20h+).

 

So again, wrong.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Cyninja.2954

[Hindenburg.3415]

7 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

That is actually incorrect. Not every DE meta might make it into the LFG, but they are being run.

 

I checked the lfg and map itself repeatedly.

So unless some magical premade filled map instantly I am absolutely correct.

 

16 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

You need a minimum of 2.5k imperial favor (3.5k if you build the pre yourself), which is insanely slow in any other content BESIDES metas. We are talking maybe 100 per week if running a LOT of WvW (20h+).

 

So again, wrong.

 

Do I need to explain word "required" to you ?

Every single currency for legendaries can be obtained without running any metas.

 

So again , I am absolutely right.

[Silent.6137]

1 hour ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

of note, I am on EU. Things might differ on US but here on EU, EoD is pretty healthy. That said the TP does encompass both regions so activity there is likely fed by both regions and that, as mentioned, does not indicate that EoD is empty.

I'm on NA and when our group was doing it today, there were 2 other groups on LFG as well.

51 minutes ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

 

Sure thing.

Not a single Dragon's End meta has started in a last 12 hours ( I personally checked every time ) but it's me who "spreading fake nonsense".

Also I am pretty sure you are not actually required to do any meta to craft legendaries.

If you just hop onto a DE map, chances of it being a meta map is very slim. This is no different from most other maps where players will join meta maps. DE meta especially, where it requires some organizations, few people will just tag  up, have players on map join and hope for virtually guaranteed successes. Most are formed in LFG but as I stated earlier, they fill up very fast and do not stay on LFG for very long. If you check 1/2 hour or less before meta starts, chances of finding a group is almost zero.

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It takes about 20 minutes to get the map to full readiness although some squads do not bother to do so. Escort to final fights takes about 40 minutes. So essentially, it requires about an hour depending on the squad,  to get the required contributors as well . However, LFG squads are formed an hour before the meta starts (so 1 hour 40 mins approximately) to allow squad members to all get on map, do the map events for the contributors and to organize. With about 30 minutes of slow time where players can comtinue to farm the maps or just relax.

The Discord group that I mentioned, OTC, runs about 3 metas per day between Eu and NA. And that's just 1 group.

No, you do not need the meta to craft legendaries but if there's no meta, the price for Summoning stones will simply skyrocket. Not everyone will buy 5 per week from the vendor since they require various items that you have to farm for. Like Cyninja.2954, I have crafted my fair share of Gen 3 (10+) and know a few guildmates who have crafted quite a few as well. And we all need those mats from the meta.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Silent.6137

[Cyninja.2954]

18 minutes ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

Do I need to explain word "required" to you ?

Every single currency for legendaries can be obtained without running any metas.

 

So again , I am absolutely right.

 

Again, no you are not because for the amount of legendaries entering the market, from a mere resource perspective, the metas ARE required. The fact you are this uninformed though just proves my earlier point: just another player who spends no time in EoD telling everyone else how dead the content is.

[Hindenburg.3415]

54 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

Again, no you are not because for the amount of legendaries entering the market, from a mere resource perspective, the metas ARE required. The fact you are this uninformed though just proves my earlier point: just another player who spends no time in EoD telling everyone else how dead the content is.

 

I don't give a flying kitten about legendaries.  And what "amount" are you talking about ?  Like 5-10 per type on tp ?

What the leg crafting details has to do with my experience as a player ?

 

The fact  you are trying to use your assumptions about "amount of resources" to gaslight people and invalidate their experience for some reason.

 

1 hour ago, Silent.6137 said:

No, you do not need the meta to craft legendaries but if there's no meta, the price for Summoning stones will simply skyrocket.

 

I mean it's already like 4 gold. So clearly this meta is not very popular. And there are not that many of them on TP as it is.

1 hour ago, Silent.6137 said:

If you just hop onto a DE map, chances of it being a meta map is very slim. This is no different from most other maps where players will join meta maps. DE meta especially, where it requires some organizations, few people will just tag  up, have players on map join and hope for virtually guaranteed successes. Most are formed in LFG but as I stated earlier, they fill up very fast and do not stay on LFG for very long. If you check 1/2 hour or less before meta starts, chances of finding a group is almost zero.

 

I see. Thanks for helpful information.

[Linken.6345]

4 minutes ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

1 hour ago, Silent.6137 said:

No, you do not need the meta to craft legendaries but if there's no meta, the price for Summoning stones will simply skyrocket.

 

I mean it's already like 4 gold. So clearly this meta is not very popular. And there are not that many of them on TP as it is.

Did not not use to be like 12-15 gold?

So yea demand is going down people are doing the stuff to get them instead

[yoni.7015]

13 minutes ago, Linken.6345 said:

Did not not use to be like 12-15 gold?

So yea demand is going down people are doing the stuff to get them instead

Yeah they went down quite a bit, I bought them for my first Gen3 legendary for 18 gold per stone. 
 

[AliamRationem.5172]

7 hours ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

 

Sure thing bud.  You know my experiences better than me.

 

I am pretty sure I know how it works , thanks.

 

I'm pretty sure you don't if you can say that you can't find active DE meta maps.  But you're not alone.  This same complaint has been made about Dragon's Stand meta for years because players don't understand that they need to show up at the right time or the map always appears dead.  In the case of DE meta, it's significantly worse because that time is as much as an hour before the Soo-Won fight itself actually begins.  Show up any later than that and you're lucky if you find a listed squad that isn't a full map.  After that they delist and all you see are dead maps.

If you're used to events like AB/TD meta where you can show up a few minutes ahead of start and still have a good chance of getting on a meta map, you're going to be disappointed with DE because you'll pretty much never see a successful map this way even if you can find a map that is making the attempt.  The successful map was probably full and preparing well before the 30 minute pre-timer completed.

I don't like the design, but that's the way it is.  If you aren't aware of this, you probably show up later than you need to and never find a successful DE meta.

[Silent.6137]

5 hours ago, Linken.6345 said:

Did not not use to be like 12-15 gold?

So yea demand is going down people are doing the stuff to get them instead

As with everything else when newly released, players set very high prices. But those prices are never sustainable. A few of us speculated that the prices will stabilize around the 5g mark then. If there  were no options to purchase them weekly from the vendor, the prices would have remained much higher.

I do think the prices have already stabilize and will hover around that price point.

[Gehenna.3625]

I don't care for fishing nor do I care for gen3 legendary skins. They're nice as such but just too far away from my aesthetic. As a consequence though, I hardly spend any time in EoD anymore. 

That's the thing that happens if the long-term appeal is a mini game (that's loved or hated) and single-themed (dragons) legendary skins (that either appeals to you or not), it makes the whole expansion a bit 50/50. 

So if you're not into crafting gen3 legendaries, not fishing then there's nothing left to go for afaic. I pretty much stopped playing EoD after I got the masteries done. The meta's aren't necessarily that rewarding (perhaps in gold but that's a meh reason for me).

It seems the HoT meta's will remain the most played meta's, even after all those years.

 

[Ashantara.8731]

On 12/4/2022 at 1:30 AM, itspomf.9523 said:

By the time I got to its end, however, all I could see were squandered opportunities to explore the deep cultural and socioeconomic rift that was tearing Cantha apart -- let alone the environmental impact of unregulated technological progress

I agree with you on that part. What a missed opportunity. It is the main reason I found playing through EoD boring. There was no depth to the populace of Cantha -- just all ugly technology and equally ugly colors in flora and architecture, with the exception of Echovald, where I truly enjoyed the two mini dungeons.

I don't agree with you on the story being lackluster, though. This was the only part worth playing this expansion for me. Yes, characters could be annoying at times, but a lot of the story missions were well designed in my opinion. I also had fun with the story fights, including the DE meta.

However, due to the enviroment, whose design I mostly disliked, and the lack of an interesting culture (i.e., the aforementioned lack of depth), I don't enjoy returning to Cantha very often now that I have farmed all the currency I needed. The only thing I truly enjoy doing repeatedly are the Strike Missions.

[Khisanth.2948]

14 hours ago, Hindenburg.3415 said:

My biggest problem with EoD is that no one is doing the metas.

I wasn't able to find live Dragon's End map yet.

Like isn't this supposed to be the latest expansion ? What the hell ?

Hot metas are packed even at 3 am.

 

metaS? There is no issue with Seitung or Echovald. New Kaineng is a bit long but other than that it seems fine.

That leaves DE. I don't bother with that one because it is not worth potentially wasting my time. It suffers from the same thing Teq suffered from for a long time. I CAN take steps to ensure being in a group that will be successful but I am not longer enthusiastic enough about the game to put that much effort into it. As for just joining any random instance, too many people have decided "nobody should need to learn to play the game". The Teq situation only changed due to an indirect nerf. Maybe expac 4 will provide enough power creep to do the same for DE.

I doubt players will suddenly decide to start learning the content instead.

[Cuks.8241]

There is an unique currency from Dragon End meta, its called Jade Dragon Statuette. And you need it to access Myung-Hee merchant that you require for gen3.

Based on the price of  Statuettes on TP, the Dragon End meta is completed by more players than Echovald or New Kaineng meta ( twice more often than Echovald and 10 times more often than New Kaineng) .

But its true that its harder to get a group for it because most groups that list on LFG fill in a matter of seconds. I would recommend you find an organised group on discord to run it. Because even the groups that list on LFG are often already quite full due to pre-organisation.

Also if you look at the supply on TP you can see there are several hundreds listings each day. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Cuks.8241

[Hindenburg.3415]

3 hours ago, Cuks.8241 said:

There is an unique currency from Dragon End meta, its called Jade Dragon Statuette. And you need it to access Myung-Hee merchant that you require for gen3.

Based on the price of  Statuettes on TP, the Dragon End meta is completed by more players than Echovald or New Kaineng meta ( twice more often than Echovald and 10 times more often than New Kaineng) .

But its true that its harder to get a group for it because most groups that list on LFG fill in a matter of seconds. I would recommend you find an organised group on discord to run it. Because even the groups that list on LFG are often already quite full due to pre-organisation.

Also if you look at the supply on TP you can see there are several hundreds listings each day. 

 

After finding meta train and getting it done once it all makes sense now.

Looks like Dragons End is similar to TT in terms of complexity and organisation.

I just wanted to do it once so I am good for now.

Thanks for advice.

[Nymeria.1653]

6 hours ago, Ashantara.8731 said:

I agree with you on that part. What a missed opportunity. It is the main reason I found playing through EoD boring. There was no depth to the populace of Cantha -- just all ugly technology and equally ugly colors in flora and architecture, with the exception of Echovald, where I truly enjoyed the two mini dungeons.

I don't agree with you on the story being lackluster, though. This was the only part worth playing this expansion for me. Yes, characters could be annoying at times, but a lot of the story missions were well designed in my opinion. I also had fun with the story fights, including the DE meta.

However, due to the enviroment, whose design I mostly disliked, and the lack of an interesting culture (i.e., the aforementioned lack of depth), I don't enjoy returning to Cantha very often now that I have farmed all the currency I needed. The only thing I truly enjoy doing repeatedly are the Strike Missions.

I have to agree with some points of this post. It's just a personal thing of course... the colors in flora were ok form me hehe but didn't like all the technology thing (just my feeling of course) and I found overall cantha people and social dynamics a bit flat in characterization. Not agaist anet, just saying my feeling about it, ok? Don't want to be rude, I'm happy of cantha expansion also because in gw1 it was my favourite place to go...but I have to be honest, it's not like that this time. But that's ok, you can't please everyone ^^ and of course there are things that I liked.

[Westenev.5289]

I don't agree with a lot of this, but I do question the need for a second EotN (particularly one that is sandwiched between the second and third maps). I get so many people asking to join strike missions who don't have access to arborstone or a teleport to friend, and it makes me sad when people leave dejected and defeated because they can't get to the content.

 

Adding Cantha strike access to EotN would be a big boon for me as a pug "for fun" commander, I think.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Westenev.5289

[Silent.6137]

10 minutes ago, Westenev.5289 said:

I get so many people asking to join strike missions who don't have access to arborstone or a teleport to friend, and it makes me sad when people leave dejected and defeated because they can't get to the content.

How would someone join strikes for contents they do not have?  If you don't own EoD, you're not going to have the maps or the data for the Strikes. If you do, then you'll already have access either via the scroll or waypoints.

[Westenev.5289]

18 minutes ago, Silent.6137 said:

How would someone join strikes for contents they do not have?  If you don't own EoD, you're not going to have the maps or the data for the Strikes. If you do, then you'll already have access either via the scroll or waypoints.

 

These people have EoD, haven't made it to or completed the second map and think they're ready for big boy content. It isn't the way I'd play it, but I dont wanna gatekeep.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Westenev.5289

[Silent.6137]

1 hour ago, Westenev.5289 said:

 

These people have EoD, haven't made it to or completed the second map and think they're ready for big boy content. It isn't the way I'd play it, but I dont wanna gatekeep.

It is hardly gatekeeping if someone has not done the story yet, which will just take a few hours to get the scroll, They would at least have an inkling of the bosses and some of the very basics of the fights. To do otherwise would be rather selfish.

[Westenev.5289]

3 hours ago, Silent.6137 said:

It is hardly gatekeeping if someone has not done the story yet, which will just take a few hours to get the scroll, They would at least have an inkling of the bosses and some of the very basics of the fights. To do otherwise would be rather selfish.

 

I want anyone who joins my squad to experience the fun of strikes, idc about pre-requisites or experience because we'll win regardless. If getting them there is a logistical issue, I'd say that's more on Anet, because it isn't communicated to the player that strikes are post-story activities.

[Silent.6137]

33 minutes ago, Westenev.5289 said:

 

I want anyone who joins my squad to experience the fun of strikes, idc about pre-requisites or experience because we'll win regardless. If getting them there is a logistical issue, I'd say that's more on Anet, because it isn't communicated to the player that strikes are post-story activities.

Maybe you're so good that you'll be able to carry 9 other newbie players at Harvest Temple or Old Lion's Court strikes. But not all teams are able to do so with too many that are inexperienced. Seen enough fails in that scenario. And the problem is it'll affect every single team.

Strikes are not communicated to players that they are basically post-story activities? Only if those players have been living under some rocks in Tyria. Ever heard of endgame? Find me more than a handful of players who are attempting Instanced contents (not story instances) without bothering to finish their Story first. And Story doesn't take that long to complete