Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) In regards to this: You need to be nerfing Ele not buffing it bud. Let's take a look at an update on these upvote emojis as of 6/28: (24) Likes (7) Thanks (4) Hahas (101) Confused (169) Sad Now after Immortal Heralds & Nuclear Deadeyes were disabled, where are we going with this? The game is a joke again and there is no viability past spamming full teams of Eles, again. Please do not tell us that these Ele buffs were full intended or being seen as acceptable, because they are not. You've gone and set Ele so far apart from other classes again, that they've once again become Tier 4 OP. If you do not remember the reference of what is Tier 1 OP up to Tier 4, reread the opening post in this thread, from the first time around when Catalyst was buffed through the roof into Tier 4 OP status. Ele needs real focused fixing, none of this small tini tiny shave stuff. This class is out of control powerful in contrast to every other class. Come on guys, what are you doing to your game? Edited June 28, 2023 by Trevor Boyer.6524 18 24 4 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Actually agreeing with you trevor. Been playing my stupid SignetBunkerTempest for quite some time now. I will receive 3 auras for free next patch! Thanks Anet! And a 20 second Magaura at that 😄 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Just about every AT game is a triple Ele comp already. Come on man. Edited June 19, 2023 by Trevor Boyer.6524 5 11 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 let's pretend this was a pvp balance lol also most ppl are like "let's check my class, oh no, it's not an uncontested god in the game mode I play, let's downvote this." 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne.6253 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 nerf cata and tempest, not ELE. I play weaver and i don't need to be nerfed. 3 3 2 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuran.5469 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, Wayne.6253 said: nerf cata and tempest, not ELE. I play weaver and i don't need to be nerfed. Weaver gets huge buff next patch with also core buffs that it does not need. No ele needs fat core buffs and cata does not need the buffs it is getting. It is already the strongest. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevlisBavles.3059 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Just now, Asuran.5469 said: Weaver gets huge buff next patch with also core buffs that it does not need. No ele needs fat core buffs and cata does not need the buffs it is getting. It is already the strongest. Weaver gets absolutely nothing. Those changes do kitten-all. 1 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuran.5469 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, SevlisBavles.3059 said: Weaver gets absolutely nothing. Those changes do kitten-all. Weaver Shearing Edge: Increased projectile speed. Twin Strike: Fixed an issue that prevented this skill from applying the intended amount of burning in PvP. Cauterizing Strike: Increased burning stacks from 1 to 2 in PvP only. Gale Strike: Increased float duration from 1.25 seconds to 2 seconds. Twist of Fate: Reduced ammunition count from 2 to 1 in PvP only. Reduced cooldown from 75 seconds to 30 seconds in PvP only. 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevlisBavles.3059 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Asuran.5469 said: Weaver Shearing Edge: Increased projectile speed. Twin Strike: Fixed an issue that prevented this skill from applying the intended amount of burning in PvP. Cauterizing Strike: Increased burning stacks from 1 to 2 in PvP only. Gale Strike: Increased float duration from 1.25 seconds to 2 seconds. Twist of Fate: Reduced ammunition count from 2 to 1 in PvP only. Reduced cooldown from 75 seconds to 30 seconds in PvP only. Like I said, these changes do absolutely nothing. The issue with Weaver is the sustain/damage trade-off. It has to sacrifice too much damage for sustain and vice-versa. It's either a complete glass cannon that dies to a sneeze and only wins engagements when it has the complete initiative, against a limited amount of classes/builds, or it's a very bad bunker with zero damage that is outclassed by every other major bunker. There are no viable builds at a competitive level. What the kitten are these miniscule sword changes going to do about the entire spec being useless with every weapon? Scepter Weaver is useless, both meta FA and LR builds, as well as anything inbetween, D/D Weaver is useless in all regards. Fire Weaver barely holds up until about Gold 3 and that's because most players don't know how to counter it, not because it's good. Staff Weaver has never been a thing. The Twist of Fate change is a sidegrade, not a buff. Core buffs barely apply to Weaver, maybe D/D will be remotely decent again, and most Weavers don't run Arcane skills. Again. These changes do NOTHING. Edited June 19, 2023 by SevlisBavles.3059 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Wayne.6253 said: nerf cata and tempest, not ELE. I play weaver and i don't need to be nerfed. -Elementalist Profession Has No Identity- Until Elementalist Profession are redesigned and returned to their root.. it will continue down its path of Brokenness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RjMGuBzlIU "A necro knows the pain of others..." Edited June 19, 2023 by Burnfall.9573 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Wayne.6253 said: nerf cata and tempest, not ELE. I play weaver and i don't need to be nerfed. Dont try to be reasonable, ppl just want the build that is annoying them to be destryed no matter what 5 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 repeated buffs to tempest over time (which didn't need buffs in the first place) is kind of a problem 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, Stand The Wall.6987 said: repeated buffs to tempest over time (which didn't need buffs in the first place) is kind of a problem CMC over time is the problem. 5 13 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 41 minutes ago, phokus.8934 said: CMC over time is the problem. cmc new condi next xpac watch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Asuran.5469 said: Weaver Shearing Edge: Increased projectile speed. Twin Strike: Fixed an issue that prevented this skill from applying the intended amount of burning in PvP. Cauterizing Strike: Increased burning stacks from 1 to 2 in PvP only. Gale Strike: Increased float duration from 1.25 seconds to 2 seconds. Twist of Fate: Reduced ammunition count from 2 to 1 in PvP only. Reduced cooldown from 75 seconds to 30 seconds in PvP only. Twist of fate change is very nice, but the sword dual skills are still bad because you miss with them over half the time since their hitbox is tiny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuran.5469 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 hours ago, SevlisBavles.3059 said: Please allow me to act like the heavy buff to core and weave will not effect weave play and it does nothing. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magickthief.6492 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said: Dont try to be reasonable, ppl just want the build that is annoying them to be destryed no matter what Daredevil says what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 I'm not this patch's greatest fan, but the react count doesn't mean much, the forum is filled with confused people. Everyone confused around here. 1 2 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Terrorhuz.4695 said: I'm not this patch's greatest fan, but the react count doesn't mean much, the forum is filled with confused people. Everyone confused around here. It's all because of Mesmers, they come and apply huge stacks of confusion to posts. 1 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Just now, Morwath.9817 said: It's all because of Mesmers, they come and apply huge stacks of confusion to posts. Their confusion amount is multiplied by 4, with all these clones. 4 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said: Dont try to be reasonable, ppl just want the build that is annoying them to be destryed no matter what I can't believe it's not Irony We all saw your daredevil thread (read: I saw your daredevil thread and wish to be petty) Edited June 19, 2023 by Azure The Heartless.3261 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Terrorhuz.4695 said: Their confusion amount is multiplied by 4, with all these clones. Hijack thread attempt: How do you feel about the mirage cloak change not moving the dodge while stunne/immobed functionality to elusive mind and just getting removed entirely Follow up question, why do they keep doing it the worst way? Edited June 19, 2023 by Azure The Heartless.3261 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: Hijack thread attempt: How do you feel about the mirage cloak change not moving the dodge while stunne/immobed functionality to elusive mind and just getting removed entirely Follow up question, why do they keep doing it the worst way? I feel like I'm still waiting for you to follow up on my discord invitation, but you're being a thief as usual and ignoring my attempts at being friends 😞 in topic, I have mentioned in the past I feel the combo Blurred Inscriptions + Signet of Illusions + Desert Distortion is the actual problem with mirage balancing. 4s distort + 4 mirage mirrors + signet of illusions (1s distort) + distort again + mirage mirrors again, you're basically chaining some good 10s of evades\distortion frames, with just 3 buttons, and you're able to attack as you do all that. You're not even touching any of the other tools on mesmer, like blind\stealth\rupts\ports... just 3 buttons. Even now you can do that and be an acceptable sidenoder, with mirage being in the sorry state it is. Removing the dodge on immob\stun isn't necessarily bad (not a fan of that either, I personally liked the option), but it's definitely not the change I'd have made first; that combo needs to go. My suggestion - Distortion from Blurred Inscriptions needs to go. Immediately. No compensation whatsoever. The trait would be good even without that - Distortion allowing ambushes becomes baseline; mirrors on distortion are removed and will never return Edited June 19, 2023 by Terrorhuz.4695 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Terrorhuz.4695 said: I feel like I'm still waiting for you to follow up on my discord invitation, but you're being a thief as usual and ignoring my attempts at being friends 😞 Okay okay fine gimme a sec 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 PSA: 7 days till 5x Ele only meta. You guys ready? You excited about it? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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