Kuya.6495 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 So assuming you think celestial stats are a problem in WvW (and I do), how do you balance it? I thought anet can just remove that stat combo from WvW but it occurred to me that WvW is literally just the exact same equipment as PvE so I don't see how anet can prevent you from bringing celestial because of this, unless anet deletes the stat combo from pve too. I don't see anet doing that. Another option is to just reduce overall celestial stats to be less than more specialized stat combos, but again, that would also nerf celestial in pve, unless anet has the tech to be able to transform celestial stats between pve and wvw like they do for traits and skills. If you think celestial stats are a problem in WvW, how would you address it? 1 3 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) It became a problem when concentration and expertise was added to it with no adjustments to it's other stats. The logical course of action would be to reverse the buff, so remove concentration and expertise to reset the set back to what it was, or reduce stats particularly those two. My two usual stalkers and five cele users passed by the thread. --> Edited October 17, 2023 by XenesisII.1540 8 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 stat gear. Period. No celestial. No marauders. No trailblazers. Back to basics. All done. 14 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 If they never nerfed trailblazers I don't think they will mess with celestial. You could strip 200 from all its stats and people would still complain. From my experience gear stat is the last thing people should be focusing on. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirevey.5079 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) They could leave celestial as it is and just balance a lot of skills that give a lot of boons in short CDs. A lot of stuff feels way worse too because there is easy access to Alacrity now, so short CDs are event shorter. Also, balance skills that have a bunch of condi and decent power scaling. Those ones are one of the main culprits on why cele is so strong. I'd agree on removing the concentration and expertise from it tho. Edited October 12, 2023 by Kirevey.5079 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 33 minutes ago, Justine.6351 said: If they never nerfed trailblazers I don't think they will mess with celestial. You could strip 200 from all its stats and people would still complain. From my experience gear stat is the last thing people should be focusing on. I dunno. It seems to be the common denominator between all the builds people complain about except possibly thief. There's a very resilient vindi build that effectively uses shortbow to kill people and it's only really possible because of celestial stats. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalekithDG.6124 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dawdler.8521 said: 3 stat gear. Period. No celestial. No marauders. No trailblazers. Back to basics. All done. We are neck deep in this mess that is stats. Celestial is what we can save out of it by making its total stats on a piece equal to that of 3 stat piece. They should also introduce more stats for Hybrid players that arent busted as hell. So some of those people can opt in to max hybrid damage and less on tough/vit. Also yeah trim concentration and expertise from it like others mentioned. Edited October 12, 2023 by MalekithDG.6124 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazieL.5684 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 duplicate thread, please close... 3 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I wonder what I'd do in this world if cele renegade "roamers" didn't exist! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix.9614 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just remove concentration and expertise, le done. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: I wonder what I'd do in this world if cele renegade "roamers" didn't exist! You would face the other 45 different builds that players are now roaming on that might include cele renegades as well as power and condi ones as well lol. Straight question, is anyone really seeing roamers that are just a class? Just an elite of a class in mass? While roaming in NA we have all classes, all elites, all gear sets out there. I couldn't really point to this one has the most right now that I have seen, maybe its a small world after all. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 11 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: 3 stat gear. Period. No celestial. No marauders. No trailblazers. Back to basics. All done. lol just make sure ANet refunds all the gold used to make those sets. The highest I saw Mag lilies when crafting sets that it made sense on was 25 gold each. So agree, just expecting a 5K gold return from ANet and we can continue the discussion 😉 . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 27 minutes ago, TheGrimm.5624 said: lol just make sure ANet refunds all the gold used to make those sets. The highest I saw Mag lilies when crafting sets that it made sense on was 25 gold each. So agree, just expecting a 5K gold return from ANet and we can continue the discussion 😉 . You’ll get 3 silver and a bent horseshoe and you better be happy about it. 1 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said: You’ll get 3 silver and a bent horseshoe and you better be happy about it. lol. I can tell you have never known a Farrier else there wouldn't be talk about mere silver. As a distribution programmer knowing a Farrier what is this silver you talk of lol. 🙂 And it sucks running over old bent practice shoes and not good on your tires. Go with sticks and a rock metaphor instead my friend lol. Edited October 13, 2023 by TheGrimm.5624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 You balance it by increasing overall boon removal and condition removal 🧐 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 39 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: You balance it by increasing overall boon removal and condition removal 🧐 It will have to be though more then just class effects as well we need more relic with very strong boon hate as well as condi hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solemn.9670 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 22 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: 3 stat gear. Period. No celestial. No marauders. No trailblazers. Back to basics. All done. It's rare that I fully agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonork.2916 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 You balance celestial by not allowing it to be so over the top in out-stat'ing every other combination of gear. That's it. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffynated.5713 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Put a debuff that deals 1% damage per second to the player for every piece of celestial they have equipped. That way Cele really does have everything, including self harm. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lalary.3561 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Rollback the stat and remove concentration and expertise. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 hours ago, Jski.6180 said: It will have to be though more then just class effects as well we need more relic with very strong boon hate as well as condi hate. Depends. I'd rather have it from class effects first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendalfs.7521 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Depends. I'd rather have it from class effects first. They already nerfed Necro boon corruption 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manu.7539 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Compared to stealth, pulls, boonball, overpowered builds and many gimmicks in the game celestial is a very small issue (if it really is). 4 3 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Gendalfs.7521 said: They already nerfed Necro boon corruption 😄 What gets me on this point is their reasoning behind the change from the stream. They nerfed it thinking that would encourage more people to get into melee range in large scale fights. oh boi...where to start there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Gendalfs.7521 said: They already nerfed Necro boon corruption 😄 And that was the wrong thing to do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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