How to get kp without kp?

[Luky.9578]

I would like to go some strike mission on challenge modes but its impossible to find a squad for it, everyone wants kp, if I dont show anything I got kicked.

[Ashantara.8731]

You could make an LFG entry stating that you are new and would like to do [x] content. You could also try to find a guild that will run Strike Missions with you. Or you could keep a frequent eye on the Training section.

[Holmindeboks.3490]

Welcome to the virtual world with elitists. The ppl that get refused everywhere irl now strike back in THEIR world. 
 

no srry. Thats just what i think. Bad joke. 
 

for raid i just said to the leader that everyone has to start somewhere and if i could have a chance. (Because what you said) And i also said if my dps zuigt then just kick me. But then i cleared 2 raid wings without a kick. I did around 27k dps on a raid dummy. And if we dont wipe its all fine imo. 

[Parasite.5389]

people want to make sure you know the CM mechanics so they're not wasting a bunch of time training people, and the quickest check is to ping KP.
if you've done the CM before and have Some Kp, ping what you have and talk to the squad leader, they'll probably let you in you're at least familiar with the mechanics.
if you've never done the CM before, check the training LFG, if people are looking for KP in those listing then they're wasting Your time.

you could also try running a few runs of the normal mode strike with a group, and see if they want to try the CM afterwards.

[sumpwa.1849]

Open up LFG, create squad called "Strike CM learning group, no KP requirement" be sure to specify roles and whatnot, and watch as your group fills fast.

[Parasite.5389]

2 minutes ago, sumpwa.1849 said:

Open up LFG, create squad called "Strike CM learning group, no KP requirement" be sure to specify roles and whatnot, and watch as your group fills fast.

I'd reecommend listing as "Blind Prog" rather than Learning or Training group, as those can give the impression that at least someone in the squad knows the mechanics and is teaching

[Krzysztof.5973]

For starters, don't try joining high KP groups without KP. Start like everybody else did at the beginning, join groups that do not ask for KP. 

[Dark Red Killian.3946]

Honestly many strike cms I see in lfg don’t even ask for anything like kp. Just keep in mind if you don’t know what you’re doing you’ll more than likely get booted.

[GeraldBC.4927]

You don't. Zero-requirement groups go absolutely nowhere because you always end up with people who either aren't even trying or who are outright griefing you on purpose. It's always a clown fiesta that can't beat a single phase, and the next time you have to start over with your prog because there's always several that don't have the resilience to stick around for more than one session.

The only way to break into group pve content in this game is through deception. You need to genuinely know the bosses so you can convincingly play them down as if you already had KP, then you need to find ways to deceive people who do have KP themselves into taking you along. From there, it's just a matter of 'fake it till you make it'. 

If you go about it honestly, you'll just remain permanently gatekept out of it. 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by GeraldBC.4927

[Sobx.1758]

Join training squads or make your own.

[AliamRationem.5172]

I'd look for training runs and see if you can get into a regular group and hopefully a guild.  Running pickups is really not productive if they don't use requirements because you'll just end up training a different group of randos every week while not making any progress.  Running with a regular group or guild is the way to go.  You get to know the people, which is more fun, obviously.  And you have a much better chance of completing content.

[Cyninja.2954]

19 hours ago, GeraldBC.4927 said:

The only way to break into group pve content in this game is through deception. You need to genuinely know the bosses so you can convincingly play them down as if you already had KP, then you need to find ways to deceive people who do have KP themselves into taking you along. From there, it's just a matter of 'fake it till you make it'.

Sounds so much more stressful than joining a training discord or a guild which does trainings. To each their own I guess.

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If you go about it honestly, you'll just remain permanently gatekept out of it. 

The regular updates from different training communities, players doing training runs, etc. would disagree, but then there is those players who actually want to progress and enter the content, and those which simply want their fast loot reward.

Not to mention that actually improving on content is significantly harder when on your own and always "faking" your way into group versus having people who share a vested interest in you becoming better (aka guilds or training discords).

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

this is a guild-based game, so you can do this kind of content for your first time by joining a guild.

Edited November 16, 2023 by SoftFootpaws.9134

[zeyeti.8347]

Best way to start off raids , fractals cm , strikes cm is to join a guild who accept new ppl to this content , or you can make a lfg for training , it's gonna fill up easily for some raids , but for the strikes cm , you gonna take more time.

[TheQuickFox.3826]

If you feel comfortable leading, when the answer is obvious and what others already suggested. Make your own groups.But many people aren't able to do so or feel too much discomfort to keep track of the right roles and maintain group composition including handling leavers and their replacements.

 

In that case, you still have options:

• Be sure you are confident with the normal mode encounters before attempting CM's.
• Always watch Mukluk's guides first. They give you a quick overview on which CM mechanics you can expect. Even if you don't yet understand every bit of it, having seen it in a video will help understand what is happening when you actually are playing the mission. Also, know which role you want to play and have a build and gear that at least roughly fits that role.
• Try LFG at peak times, usually in the weekend, afternoons and evenings and on work days in the evenings. Keep an eye for CM training groups that do not require KP. Be prepared to wipe and learn. Have patience as players who join groups without KP requirements will generally be less experienced than the ones who have the KP.
• Join a guild that specifically runs the content you are looking for. There are guilds that allow you to join their groups, have training groups where you are allowed to learn and wipe, learn more until you can beat it and get the KP. Once you played enough you can get the KP required to join random KP groups.

[Cavey.6432]

Every player will not have kp at the beginning, so this makes the beginning very difficult. My approach is to find if there is a place where I can practice the game mechanics and obtain kp at the same time.

Luckily, I got these at GW2 Raid Academy and SG, here are the DC links for them, hopefully you can get there eventually too.
https://discord.com/invite/gw2ra
https://discord.com/invite/skeingang