Status of Each Race and Future expansion hints [SPOILER Lore]

[Zola.6197]

Of the several teases in JW, the ones repeated the most feel like the Charr and Sylvari routes.
 

The Pale Tree needs to be healed, the race is going through an identity crisis, plus the threads of Malyck and Duchess Chrysanthea all lend to a robust story. 

The charr have Bangar to execute, a potentially reignited civil war, plus khan ur elections.

Also worth noting that our companions for JW are Caithe and Malice, who both have direct stakes in these repeatedly mentioned threads. I feel that’s signifying the devs will go one of two directions for the next expansion.

[EdwinLi.1284]

48 minutes ago, Zola.6197 said:

Of the several teases in JW, the ones repeated the most feel like the Charr and Sylvari routes.
 

The Pale Tree needs to be healed, the race is going through an identity crisis, plus the threads of Malyck and Duchess Chrysanthea all lend to a robust story. 

The charr have Bangar to execute, a potentially reignited civil war, plus khan ur elections.

Also worth noting that our companions for JW are Caithe and Malice, who both have direct stakes in these repeatedly mentioned threads. I feel that’s signifying the devs will go one of two directions for the next expansion.

My bet is still on the Charr side of things being next considering we also just got the Titan back and the return of the Titans being reported is going to obviously rile up some Charrs which may cause them needing to push for a new Khan-Ur as soon as possible to unite the Charr for certain.

The Sylvari side of the establish possible upcoming expansion is more flexible with when they want it to happen since they set it as a Unknown factor on how fast and slow the Pale tree condition worsen due to how this is constantly fluctuating between suddenly getting worse faster to her condition is stable but still getting worse slowly.

Edited August 28 by EdwinLi.1284

[Fenom.9457]

They laid so many hints out and I absolutely loved it, but as for what's next it seems to be one of two imo: a Charr focus or Dzalana.

 

The Charr being sooner than later I primarily say because there are imminent time sensitive events coming up: Talk of a Khan-Ur, and Bangar's trial. Not to mention their history with Titans so if anything is to be done there it must be before we move on from them. I could see the trial, structure of society changing, and then suddenly their false gods return could all coalesce to cause another civil war, so they can do a fully completed version this time. They left Bangar alive for a reason.  Blood Legion Homelands would also serve as a wonderful expansion area, been wanting it forever and getting only one map there just made me want the rest all the more.  All the political drama plus the threat of Titans and maybe sprinkling the Foefire plot's conclusion in if that's not bloating things, seems like plenty of material for an expansion.

 

Dzalana is not tied to the titans so if they remain relevant after JW, then Charr is a near certainty. It just seemed like the talk around this region had more details and specifics talked about extensively than all the other races, which would imply to me it's imminently in development, not a few expansions out.  Things like 'the Pale Tree has been slowly dying for a decade' or 'We kinda wanna check out the ruins of our old homes up north' can wait 3-4 years feasibly and still be relevant, but 'we are already actively searching this area and furthermore the Heket here could be a prime candidate for our new alliance' feels a lot more this is happening now type talk.  That and the gemstore skin, usually I'd agree that's meaningless but it's a nice cherry on top of the other information.  Not to mention unlike other conspiracies about the gemstore being a hint this one actually adds *new* lore by tacking Expanse onto Dzalana - either a more descriptive two word name for the whole region, or a name for a specific map where roller beetles reside? I wouldn't be shocked to see the beetle get a focus in an expansion the way skyscale and warclaw just did. The OG PoF mounts may not work (because aside from the two basic ones if you resell them all will people be mad PoF technically has no exclusive masteries?), but the roller beetle is the most in need of an alternate acquisition method if you ask me. It all just seems to fit together nicely.

 

That said, they hinted at like 5 other ways it could go and there's a couple more things they didnt even mention that seem like prime material to me (for example visiting the deldrimor front because the dwarves returning and integrating into the world should be a huge story, and Lyhr seems to have abundant personal development that could interact with this as well).

[Kulvar.1239]

On 8/23/2024 at 2:20 PM, draxynnic.3719 said:

Quite possibly. Arenanet have described the gods' attitude as having an element of a parent of an adult child wanting that child to be able to stand on their own, so they might well keep away until they're content that humans don't need them.

But then why come back?

[draxynnic.3719]

2 hours ago, Fenom.9457 said:

They laid so many hints out and I absolutely loved it, but as for what's next it seems to be one of two imo: a Charr focus or Dzalana.

 

The Charr being sooner than later I primarily say because there are imminent time sensitive events coming up: Talk of a Khan-Ur, and Bangar's trial. Not to mention their history with Titans so if anything is to be done there it must be before we move on from them. I could see the trial, structure of society changing, and then suddenly their false gods return could all coalesce to cause another civil war, so they can do a fully completed version this time. They left Bangar alive for a reason.  Blood Legion Homelands would also serve as a wonderful expansion area, been wanting it forever and getting only one map there just made me want the rest all the more.  All the political drama plus the threat of Titans and maybe sprinkling the Foefire plot's conclusion in if that's not bloating things, seems like plenty of material for an expansion.

 

Dzalana is not tied to the titans so if they remain relevant after JW, then Charr is a near certainty. It just seemed like the talk around this region had more details and specifics talked about extensively than all the other races, which would imply to me it's imminently in development, not a few expansions out.  Things like 'the Pale Tree has been slowly dying for a decade' or 'We kinda wanna check out the ruins of our old homes up north' can wait 3-4 years feasibly and still be relevant, but 'we are already actively searching this area and furthermore the Heket here could be a prime candidate for our new alliance' feels a lot more this is happening now type talk.  That and the gemstore skin, usually I'd agree that's meaningless but it's a nice cherry on top of the other information.  Not to mention unlike other conspiracies about the gemstore being a hint this one actually adds *new* lore by tacking Expanse onto Dzalana - either a more descriptive two word name for the whole region, or a name for a specific map where roller beetles reside? I wouldn't be shocked to see the beetle get a focus in an expansion the way skyscale and warclaw just did. The OG PoF mounts may not work (because aside from the two basic ones if you resell them all will people be mad PoF technically has no exclusive masteries?), but the roller beetle is the most in need of an alternate acquisition method if you ask me. It all just seems to fit together nicely.

 

That said, they hinted at like 5 other ways it could go and there's a couple more things they didnt even mention that seem like prime material to me (for example visiting the deldrimor front because the dwarves returning and integrating into the world should be a huge story, and Lyhr seems to have abundant personal development that could interact with this as well).

Something to note is that the original charr homelands have been implied to be on the other side of the Blazeridge Mountains, with the charr under the Khan-Ur having crossed somewhere around where the "Blood Legion Homelands" are (the whole plateau was originally the grawl homeland) and then expanded south into Ascalon... until they hit the Forgotten, started attacking the Forgotten, and completely coincidentally a race that was under the direction of allies of the Forgotten surged north, drove the charr back, and founded a kingdom that would act as a buffer between the charr and the Crystal Desert for a thousand years.

So it's possible that if you keep going north through Dzalana, you'd hit the southern reaches of the original charr homelands - which might be where the selection trials of a Khan-Ur might occur, since the Khan-Ur probably took power before the western conquests. So we could well have Dzalana and the Charr stuff in the same general area.

1 hour ago, Kulvar.1239 said:

But then why come back?

Why might a parent want to check in with their adult children every so often?

We do have the implication that the gods were looking for a contingency plan - somewhere else to move humanity if the plan to rework Tyria's magical regulation system failed. If so, that implies that they either still have some means of keeping an eye on Tyria, or they planned to come back at some point to see if there was anything to rescue. We've also had an indication that there are other threats to the gods out there, so at some stage there might be a case of "there's this other threat out there, and now you've stabilised your own home, we could use your help dealing with this before it reaches you". Which could really put the cat among the pigeons with Tyrian politics, but abandonment is easier to justify when there really is something out there that you'd want to fight off as far away from your children as possible.

[Fenom.9457]

22 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Something to note is that the original charr homelands have been implied to be on the other side of the Blazeridge Mountains, with the charr under the Khan-Ur having crossed somewhere around where the "Blood Legion Homelands" are (the whole plateau was originally the grawl homeland) and then expanded south into Ascalon... until they hit the Forgotten, started attacking the Forgotten, and completely coincidentally a race that was under the direction of allies of the Forgotten surged north, drove the charr back, and founded a kingdom that would act as a buffer between the charr and the Crystal Desert for a thousand years.

So it's possible that if you keep going north through Dzalana, you'd hit the southern reaches of the original charr homelands - which might be where the selection trials of a Khan-Ur might occur, since the Khan-Ur probably took power before the western conquests. So we could well have Dzalana and the Charr stuff in the same general area.

 

I just imagine the first Charr expansion to be in the blood legion lands we know due to familiarity and geographic proximity to mapped regions, but all of what you're saying makes for exciting lore too... maybe even more exciting given it involves all new lands! If they wanted to place the location of historical Khan-Ur trials in the southern reaches of the original charr homelands, we could have a Dzalana expansion and then that right next to it, I'd love expansions for once to stick close by and have maps connected at least in art if not by portal. Going from one new region to another right next to it would be incredible.  

Also, of course it's charr lands now in the places we saw in GW1 but maybe east of the blood legion - a grawl expansion could be nice! I'm really liking how JW puts the focus on Kodan like that, any race has enough lore for at least one mini expansion if you ask me

[Zola.6197]

On 8/28/2024 at 2:07 PM, EdwinLi.1284 said:

My bet is still on the Charr side of things being next considering we also just got the Titan back and the return of the Titans being reported is going to obviously rile up some Charrs which may cause them needing to push for a new Khan-Ur as soon as possible to unite the Charr for certain.

I could see that being the move, certainly. I wonder if this expansion is setting up Malice to die heroically while facing the Titans, which would complicate the Charr political situation. Malice has felt less 'dubious' in this expansion so far. I wonder if that's priming her to go out on a good note lol.

[draxynnic.3719]

5 hours ago, Zola.6197 said:

I could see that being the move, certainly. I wonder if this expansion is setting up Malice to die heroically while facing the Titans, which would complicate the Charr political situation. Malice has felt less 'dubious' in this expansion so far. I wonder if that's priming her to go out on a good note lol.

Despite her covert ops theme, Malice has always been the least 'dubious' of the imperators, even before Smodur's character assassination: she was the first of the Imperators to support the charr-human truce, albeit behind the scenes until Smodur came on board.

[Imba.9451]

16 hours ago, Zola.6197 said:

I could see that being the move, certainly. I wonder if this expansion is setting up Malice to die heroically while facing the Titans, which would complicate the Charr political situation. Malice has felt less 'dubious' in this expansion so far. I wonder if that's priming her to go out on a good note lol.

I dunno if I just missed it so far, but Malice was the first Charr I openly heard condemning the great searing as basically a war crime. That alone makes he hope she stays around to claim the Khan Ur title. Would also be a nice twist to have a Khan Ur thats not just being a big beat-u-with-a-stick type.

[EdwinLi.1284]

12 minutes ago, Imba.9451 said:

I dunno if I just missed it so far, but Malice was the first Charr I openly heard condemning the great searing as basically a war crime. That alone makes he hope she stays around to claim the Khan Ur title. Would also be a nice twist to have a Khan Ur thats not just being a big beat-u-with-a-stick type.

Considering their political situation Charr wise, they may need a new Khan-Ur that is more up to the times. The past Khan-Ur was more like that in the past because of how the Charr at the time was but events in GW2 through the years has put them in a crossroads to stick to their old ways or change by adjusting a few things while keeping most of their original policies to be less demanding on spending their entire life causing and fighting wars.

[draxynnic.3719]

18 hours ago, Imba.9451 said:

I dunno if I just missed it so far, but Malice was the first Charr I openly heard condemning the great searing as basically a war crime. That alone makes he hope she stays around to claim the Khan Ur title. Would also be a nice twist to have a Khan Ur thats not just being a big beat-u-with-a-stick type.

That stuck out to me too. Previously, pretty much every time a charr has talked about it, they might express regret about being manipulated by the titans through the shamans or the damage done to the landscape, but it was always had a "but it was necessary to win the war and therefore justified" air to it. Malice is, I think, the first charr to unequivocally condemn it. The closest she comes is questioning whether the charr could have undergone the shifts in mindset they've experienced since without being the victor, but she doesn't use that to justify the ecocide and mass murder of civilians, just a possible silver lining.

It's possible that, as infiltration specialists rather than front-line fighters, Ash had more opportunity than the other legions to start seeing humans as more than enemy combatants on the battlefield before the truce. 

[Invidia.9074]

From the two main contenders (assuming GW2 doesn't suddenly have its plug pulled by NCSoft) for the next expansion, I would say that a charr-themed one is more likely. First is because of the titan connection, that can easily slot into charr lore. Second is that we had completely new lore info dropped in the first chapter regarding the selection of Khan-Ur. Apparently the whole ordeal is called "Trial of Embers", or at least involves something names as such. And seeing as it was Malice, not Braham who joined us in the expedition to Janthir, there is a lot of time to build a compelling reason why the Ash imperator would need to involve the Wayfinder in it, judging by his not-so-friendly past with Bangar. And there is the case of retrieving Eir's bow which could later give us some reason to involve Braham and go to Dzalana after the charr expac...

[voltaicbore.8012]

On 8/23/2024 at 5:26 AM, Dean Calaway.9718 said:

What Anet could do instead is actually narrow their focus like they said they would, take JW for example, forget the wizards and forget the Tyrian Alliance, make it a stand alone expansion that starts with The Commander feeling like stepping away from all these annoying characters leaving his communicator behind, he goes to a place where no one can find him, he stumbles on a journeykin and starts fighting, Kodan show up, help you, they take you in, you start helping around their village, they give you a house, they're worried about these strangers at the north, their warriors gather up, you go with them. You have basically the same story without any of the strings and fluff and world leaders, narrow focus just like they promised, the new characters introduced are more than enough to carry the story and you have more time to focus on them and their local plight instead of going around saving the world... again. I absolutely hated making it to Syntri only to be told "right, back to LA to report now" the feeling of distance and isolation was completely shattered, went from feeling like I was in a very far away land that would have taken many days or weeks to get to, to feel like I was nosing around in the back yard.

This, too, was my ideal version of JW. I can accept the Commander being sent to Janthir by silly Pact 2.0, but only needing to send letters or updates occasionally because it's not a world ending threat, like Anet (sorta) promised. Just the lowlanders concerned about a growing threat in their area, and we follow along to help out. Even with a smaller scale threat... there can still be meta events! There can still be a big bad boss that's hard to kill! I don't understand why Anet seems allergic to this.

[draxynnic.3719]

I think people might be taking a different interpretation of "not a world-ending threat" than ArenaNet intended.

The Elder Dragons in general, and the Dragonvoid in particular, were potentially world-ending. The Dragonvoid wanted to return Tyria to an endless churn of creation and destruction. The other Elder Dragons left Tyria in a post-apocalyptic state after being put to sleep through hiding Tyria's remaining magic in the bloodstone, and unless Isgarren retains the knowledge, the Seers aren't around to do that again, so if not stopped this time the Elder Dragons might well have consumed everything.

Regarding the storylines afterwards: Eparch talks a big game, but I don't think he actually intended to destroy Tyria. He was brought down by a relatively small force, and it isn't sensible to just wipe out your food supply. A hypothetical Eparch win probably wouldn't lead to a destroyed Tyria, but rather more of a horror setting where demons pop in pretty much at will to harvest the pain and terror of the sapient races. While this is certainly an undesirable outcome, it's not world-ending so much as world-changing.

The titans, meanwhile... it's hard to say when there are still mysteries about what their goals are and just how many of them there are, but I'd classify them as a regional rather than world-ending threat. There does seem to be a limit on how many titanspawn one titan can produce, which means that there's likely a limit on just how much territory they can dominate. Given free rein, they would likely represent a significant danger to neighbouring regions such as Kryta, but Cantha and Elona are probably only really concerned from the perspective of not wanting their allies to be compromised. Maybe if given enough time they'd bring in more titans and keep expanding indefinitely to destroy all civilisation and dominate the world, but there doesn't seem to be imminent danger of that.

It feels like there are people taking "not world ending" to mean something trivial that the Commander is mostly getting involved in because they happen to be a little bored in the right time and the right place, but I don't think that's what ArenaNet intends. The threats we're facing now aren't world-ending, but they are still credible threats to the major nations of Tyria. I think the key descriptor is the one I used previously - potentially world-changing, for the worse. A titan dominion that destroys the lowland kodan and expands out of Janthir to start putting pressure on Kryta and the inhabited portions of the Shiverpeaks and Maguuma isn't the end of the world, but it's still something that the nations of the world would probably rather not see happen.

[EdwinLi.1284]

11 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

I think people might be taking a different interpretation of "not a world-ending threat" than ArenaNet intended.

The Elder Dragons in general, and the Dragonvoid in particular, were potentially world-ending. The Dragonvoid wanted to return Tyria to an endless churn of creation and destruction. The other Elder Dragons left Tyria in a post-apocalyptic state after being put to sleep through hiding Tyria's remaining magic in the bloodstone, and unless Isgarren retains the knowledge, the Seers aren't around to do that again, so if not stopped this time the Elder Dragons might well have consumed everything.

Regarding the storylines afterwards: Eparch talks a big game, but I don't think he actually intended to destroy Tyria. He was brought down by a relatively small force, and it isn't sensible to just wipe out your food supply. A hypothetical Eparch win probably wouldn't lead to a destroyed Tyria, but rather more of a horror setting where demons pop in pretty much at will to harvest the pain and terror of the sapient races. While this is certainly an undesirable outcome, it's not world-ending so much as world-changing.

The titans, meanwhile... it's hard to say when there are still mysteries about what their goals are and just how many of them there are, but I'd classify them as a regional rather than world-ending threat. There does seem to be a limit on how many titanspawn one titan can produce, which means that there's likely a limit on just how much territory they can dominate. Given free rein, they would likely represent a significant danger to neighbouring regions such as Kryta, but Cantha and Elona are probably only really concerned from the perspective of not wanting their allies to be compromised. Maybe if given enough time they'd bring in more titans and keep expanding indefinitely to destroy all civilisation and dominate the world, but there doesn't seem to be imminent danger of that.

It feels like there are people taking "not world ending" to mean something trivial that the Commander is mostly getting involved in because they happen to be a little bored in the right time and the right place, but I don't think that's what ArenaNet intends. The threats we're facing now aren't world-ending, but they are still credible threats to the major nations of Tyria. I think the key descriptor is the one I used previously - potentially world-changing, for the worse. A titan dominion that destroys the lowland kodan and expands out of Janthir to start putting pressure on Kryta and the inhabited portions of the Shiverpeaks and Maguuma isn't the end of the world, but it's still something that the nations of the world would probably rather not see happen.

Well that is basically it with this new Saga's antagonists. The enemy this time is not a World Ending threat as their goal is not to End the World but to rule the world.

The world will still exist but being "under new management" if the antagonists win. 

A rather interesting things the side lore provides about this situation rising is that it is a result of multiple factors as a by product of the Elder Dragon Saga.

With the Elder Dragons defeat and the new Cycle created, Tyria has become a giant ball of Magical Energy that is affecting everything in Tyria in different ways and acting as a magnet to beings sensitive to Magic from deep in the Mist. We only seen the effects it has on the Mist but there are hints that the increase in magical energy is maybe affecting things that already exists in Tyria as well slowly until it is maybe made apparent later in a future expansion.

Another is that with the Human Gods gone, they left a very big power vacuum that now may have the attention of beings trying to fill it. This also left everything in their realms unguarded so all the powerful magical artifacts and knowledge is up for grabs by anyone or anything.

Then there are the lands that was affected by the Elder dragon corrupt as the Prologue provides small details that the lands that were once corrupted has become safe enough to explore despite some small amount of corruption left. Place such as Orr and Elona have already been set as future locations we will return to in a future expansion to see the aftermath of our actions since they already set up groups as advance expedition teams but something is maybe going on there as a result of the increase in magic as well. 

Edited September 3 by EdwinLi.1284

[Wyrdern.4092]

Dzalana might also mean getting some new lore for harpies beyond generic enemy race that wants to kill everything that walks on the ground ...

[Fenom.9457]

On 8/31/2024 at 8:49 PM, draxynnic.3719 said:

Despite her covert ops theme, Malice has always been the least 'dubious' of the imperators, even before Smodur's character assassination: she was the first of the Imperators to support the charr-human truce, albeit behind the scenes until Smodur came on board.

Imo that would make ending her more upsetting and weighty than if she'd magically become nice only now. Not that anet needs to kill anyone this expac I think we've had plenty of ncps deaths over the years, more than enough, but this could serve a lore purpose

[Fenom.9457]

18 hours ago, Wyrdern.4092 said:

Dzalana might also mean getting some new lore for harpies beyond generic enemy race that wants to kill everything that walks on the ground ...

A big mystery in their lore that's been around since at least GW2's launch if not always is the rumor they're fallen servants of Dwayna; a perfect in for storytelling around them that's never been taken.  I'd also point out the spellbreaker harpies in PoF are the first to use magic, I don't think anything in the core enemies' abilities was so that does suggest more intelligence than people might think?

 

That said as much as I want depth they don't have to stop being evil.  I know after the Kryptis we're tired of evil monsters becoming sympathetic, but if they fell for reasons beyond their choices to become monsters, well that would deserve pity IMO.  But that doesn't mean the modern race of them has to be redeemed fully.

[draxynnic.3719]

27 minutes ago, Fenom.9457 said:

A big mystery in their lore that's been around since at least GW2's launch if not always is the rumor they're fallen servants of Dwayna; a perfect in for storytelling around them that's never been taken.  I'd also point out the spellbreaker harpies in PoF are the first to use magic, I don't think anything in the core enemies' abilities was so that does suggest more intelligence than people might think?

 

That said as much as I want depth they don't have to stop being evil.  I know after the Kryptis we're tired of evil monsters becoming sympathetic, but if they fell for reasons beyond their choices to become monsters, well that would deserve pity IMO.  But that doesn't mean the modern race of them has to be redeemed fully.

That rumour was first introduced in the Nightfall manual, which is when harpies were first introduced, so it does classify as 'always'.

I think there is a harpy variant in PoF that's essentially a dragonhunter as well, but it is interesting that before then, even in GW1 harpies were all martial professions with griffons acting as the healers for their groups. That said, they are obviously tool-users so they're at least that intelligent.

[Sajuuk Khar.1509]

45 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

That rumour was first introduced in the Nightfall manual, which is when harpies were first introduced, so it does classify as 'always'.

I think there is a harpy variant in PoF that's essentially a dragonhunter as well, but it is interesting that before then, even in GW1 harpies were all martial professions with griffons acting as the healers for their groups. That said, they are obviously tool-users so they're at least that intelligent.

They're also intelligent enough to speak, and understand, Tyrian language, and some of them seem to wear crafted metal armors, and weapons. So they seem to have some understanding of smithing/metal shaping.

1 hour ago, Fenom.9457 said:

 I know after the Kryptis we're tired of evil monsters becoming sympathetic,

Speak for yourself. Monsters that are just mindless monsters are the most boring thing in a setting.

Edited September 4 by Sajuuk Khar.1509

[Wyrdern.4092]

Honestly we really don't know that much for sure about Harpies in gw2. Are they inherently evil? What intelligence are they actually capable of? Are all Harpies female?

[Perihen the Thawk.9527]

All I know is that the pronunciation of Dzalana is the worst lore drop we've had in a long time.

[Fenom.9457]

On 9/3/2024 at 9:34 PM, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

Speak for yourself. Monsters that are just mindless monsters are the most boring thing in a setting.

I wasn't saying be totally mindless, just unapologetically evil. Like if Eparch was a cunning manipulator for his own gain, and at the end there wasn't a 'but I'm helping our people, you don't know' bit. Mindless monsters can be refreshing if it's never been done in the franchise maybe, but I'd agree it's not too gripping. But demons that absolutely have minds and yet are savage monsters, feeding on emotions and killing without mercy, would've been a more fun take than fleshy chicken nuggets begging you to grab them an apple

[Sajuuk Khar.1509]

1 hour ago, Fenom.9457 said:

I wasn't saying be totally mindless, just unapologetically evil. Like if Eparch was a cunning manipulator for his own gain, and at the end there wasn't a 'but I'm helping our people, you don't know' bit. Mindless monsters can be refreshing if it's never been done in the franchise maybe, but I'd agree it's not too gripping. But demons that absolutely have minds and yet are savage monsters, feeding on emotions and killing without mercy, would've been a more fun take than fleshy chicken nuggets begging you to grab them an apple

That's just as bad, and in many ways even worse. Mindless monsters, while boring, at least make sense since ruthless animals are a thing.

But giving them intelligence, and then making them unapologetically evil doesn't work in the slightest. True, pure, evil for the sake of evil would just destroy itself long before it got anywhere, there would be too much backstabbing, and self sabotage, for that to work. It would never be able to last, much less as far as Eparch did, and as long as Eparch did. That's only interesting if you don't care about looking at how anything works, and just want a saturday morning cartoon villian screaming "'ILL GET YOU NEXT TIME GADGET!" which isn't particularly good writing.

Even Tolkien didn't believe that Melkor or Sauron were being of pure evil since that wouldn't work.

Edited Friday at 07:26 AM by Sajuuk Khar.1509

[Kalavier.1097]

6 hours ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

That's just as bad, and in many ways even worse. Mindless monsters, while boring, at least make sense since ruthless animals are a thing.

But giving them intelligence, and then making them unapologetically evil doesn't work in the slightest. True, pure, evil for the sake of evil would just destroy itself long before it got anywhere, there would be too much backstabbing, and self sabotage, for that to work. It would never be able to last, much less as far as Eparch did, and as long as Eparch did. That's only interesting if you don't care about looking at how anything works, and just want a saturday morning cartoon villian screaming "'ILL GET YOU NEXT TIME GADGET!" which isn't particularly good writing.

Even Tolkien didn't believe that Melkor or Sauron were being of pure evil since that wouldn't work.

Anet also has explicitly had only one "pure evil" race, that being the Krait.

And they also explicitly stated that was purely because their government and culture purges all other thoughts and their children are never allowed to see any outside views.