Remove downstate beta from PvP

[Chilli.2976]

Can we have this please try it out for a week or so? Some skills, traits and runes will need to be reworked. If you die you die.

[Coolguy.8702]

No ty, would just make pvp even more frustrating than it already is

[Chilli.2976]

@Coolguy.8702 said:No ty, would just make pvp even more frustrating than it already is

Its a beta where you test it. You might like it?

[jihm.2315]

increase health by much and remove it why not

[Chilli.2976]

@jihm.2315 said:increase health by much and remove it why not

Sounds good, or just keep the current health pools, then do another test with increased health pools.

[Swagg.9236]

@jihm.2315 said:increase health by much and remove it why not

I remember saying how the game should just give everyone 1000-1500 more base vitality in PvP to offset the memes. Then again, there is the distinct possibility that no one running a copy-paste meta build would ever die under such circumstances. Game's busted, yo.

[Abelisk.4527]

Give everyone a base HP of 15.6k (Mesmer/Ranger/Eng/Revenant HP).

I don't really support this idea, since the downed system works pretty well in its current state. If you lose a 1v1, you'll be punished by being in downstate for a long time unless you get rescued. In teamfights all the cleave will damage you more making you die faster and respawning faster (less punishment). Also, it's like a second life--just because you ran out of HP doesn't mean all hope is lost! Maybe a comeback CAN happen!

But who knows, without downstate players will respawn like crazy and points will be decapped more often, but there will be less counterplay.

[Chilli.2976]

@Abelisk.4527 said:But who knows, without downstate players will respawn like crazy and points will be decapped more often, but there will be less counterplay.

Can always increase res timer by 5 seconds.

[witcher.3197]

People melt in 2 seconds and you want to remove the only safety net mechanic that was implemented precisely so that people can come back from it? No thanks.

[Asur.9178]

@witcher.3197 said:People melt in 2 seconds and you want to remove the only safety net mechanic that was implemented precisely so that people can come back from it? No thanks.

All the passives out the ass says....no, you don't melt in 2s.

[Chilli.2976]

@witcher.3197 said:People melt in 2 seconds and you want to remove the only safety net mechanic that was implemented precisely so that people can come back from it? No thanks.

Well in that case, why would someone want to res you if you die in 2 seconds. They are just risking themselves.

[vesica tempestas.1563]

downstate adds additional fight complexity, why on earth would you want to try and simplify gameplay?

[NecroSummonsMors.7816]

No removing downstate would be a big mistake. It would remove the fight complexity in pvp and www, while making pve hell. Think about this: you wouldn't be able while doing pve content to get ressed by your party...In pvp/www leaving someone in downstate it's a strategic move that can let you decap a point or go help your allies while your enemies are out of 1 team member.Edit: just came to my mind that all the skill involving res would become useless as a lot of traits in many trait lines across all classes

[Abazigal.3679]

@witcher.3197 said:People melt in 2 seconds and you want to remove the only safety net mechanic that was implemented precisely so that people can come back from it? No thanks.

This is exaggerating, but i agree. In other metas, it might have been interesting to test out no downstate mechanic. In this one, it would make unbalanced fights even more unbalanced

[Ragion.2831]

I dont know why people ask for new features that have to be created from scratch from Anet so easily. Anet isn't GGG or Blizzard. Suggestions that require something brand new to be made have like a 2 year lead time especially if it isnt something that isn't bug related.

If community voted to get rid of downstate today you arent going to see it happen until like 2020. Its really only towards a major content release day that all their PR starts to come out with the classic bs line "we are listening to the players all the time".

Its easier to make small very specific suggestions that just slightly alter things already in the game. Those can likely be done between balance patches.

Its now after 5 years they decide to make pinned threads where they continuously talk to players about content. If they had done this before HoT expansion, they would have avoided so many problems.

[Rezzet.3614]

All we need is to have downstate skills removed , downstate sucks now cuz some are better than other , necro flat out deals more damage than while alive while healing

[NuhDah.9812]

@"Rezzet.3614" said:All we need is to have downstate skills removed , downstate sucks now cuz some are better than other , necro flat out deals more damage than while alive while healing

or you can just account for down states before you enter a duel. downstates are part of the game, and if nothing else it gives gw2 it's combat flavor. I understand might they feel unfair due to balance disparities, but isn't that the same issue with "alive" states? Some builds and professions will always be better duelists than others. You only need to account in your fights that there is this thing "downsatate" which is another/second phase of the battle and be prepared that it might be able to turn the tides if it catches you off guard.

[Sobx.1758]

What's the point of "never going to happen" answer? Do you count it as "yes, but won't happen"? Is it an empty vote (like "maybe"?)? It's just skewing the results, not sure why you included it here at all ;)

[Ragmon.6350]

Doesen't hurt to try some variations on how we play PvP, if we don't like it we wont use it.

[Dahkeus.8243]

Hell no. Down state is one of the best mechanics in GW2's PvP. It's one of the few very clear mechanics that is very visible and adds to gameplay depth.

[Rezzet.3614]

all of support specs and skills an traits would need a super overhaul if down state was removed , the simple option is remove downstate skills

[Zintrothen.1056]

Only if we dramatically increase health pools.

[Morwath.9817]

Quaggan dislikes downed state, but there are way more important things to "fix".

[Sobx.1758]

@Rezzet.3614 said:all of support specs and skills an traits would need a super overhaul if down state was removed

That's just not true lmao.

[Chaith.8256]

@Sobx.1758 said:

@"Rezzet.3614" said:all of support specs and skills an traits would need a super overhaul if down state was removed

That's just not true lmao.

Many revive traits and revive utilities, how is it not true these would need to be reworked?

Edit:Skillshttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Mercyhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/"Search_and_Rescue!"https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Renewalhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusion_of_Lifehttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Undeathhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Battle_Standardhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Nature%27s_Renewal

Traitshttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Function_Gyrohttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Allies%27_Aidhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transfusionhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Life_from_Deathhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Protective_Reviverhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Radiant_Revivalhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Merciful_Ambushhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Medic%27s_Feedbackhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ritual_of_Lifehttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reviver%27s_Mighthttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Protective_Reviverhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Courageous_Returnhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Decisive_Renownhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Resurrectionhttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Courageous_Return

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