Botting Necro's/Engineers lowering my enjoyment of the game.

[Talindra.4958]

I know a spot these farmers camp there.. I wasn't afk but just stay there to farm along. You get a lot of evergreen lodestone by farming the fast spawning Iboga.. I got like 7 in less than 2 hours .. I could go afk and use auto clicker to farm this but ofc I didn't. Back then the lodestone was near 2 g each. Location of these afk farmers is Modri Caverns. I hv tried to report such activities in game reporting tool but they are there 24/7 still..

[Abakk.9176]

@"Shikigami.4013" said:Why are there so many people spouting nonsense in these threads and why is it getting worse and worse? ANet has never said AFK farming is ok and it does not just have "the percption of cheating linked to it" but rather is clearly not allowed. Why do I need to provide the links to the statement of Arenanet game security lead Chris Cleary again and again and again while it has been well over a year that he confirmed that it is not allowed and that your account is actionable if they confirm you do it?

And these are the three key points that need to apply for it do be actual AFK farming and not just accidentally standing around somewhere being afk while pets/turrets/minions kill something:

1) Using skill (1 or more) while AFK2) AFKing in a place where it is beneficial for your character to be at3) Unresponsive to interaction with GMs

Point 1 applies to all of the people this thread is about, you only need to check the title to see that. Also the OP would not have asked for them to time out if the chars he meant wouldn't do it continously without timing out.Point 2 applies to all of the people this thread is about, you only need to check the first sentence to see that. Being in an area with spawning mobs is beneficial for your char in multiple ways (pretty much none of these people do it for XP though)Point 3 has to be determined by ArenaNet staff, and for that to happen those chars are being reported.

Why do some people NOT care about cheaters and exploiters so they are not reporting them, but they DO care so much about people reporting them that they have to post in these threads about how they are not reporting them and they can't understand why others are reporting them? Hypocritical much? If you care so little about other players in game because you feel it does not affect you, why care so much about what others say on the forum. It doesn't affect you at all either.

And lastly, the source for the eternal naysayers and unbelievers that the three points I wrote further up are the actual official ArenaNet criteria: Chris Cleary (Head of game security) 2016-05-18, 19:58:36 UTC

Well i am glad at least someone is paying attention. Thank you for that. :+1:

But while that takes care of the AFK part there is still the issue of those that render an area unplayable for others. Which was my point to begin with.

If there is a person sitting at the computer that keeps tabs on any incoming GM whispers they are basically in the clear and can keep an area hostage for hours on end.

So i'll just keep on reporting and hope this is going to be seen as an issue that needs to be taken care of at some point.

[Obtena.7952]

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:I think the OP has missed something .. this isn't new and Anet already has had a discussion with players about this. There are lots of things in the game people don't like. Some of them you just have to get past yourself.

I get it ... AFK farming has a perception of cheating linked to it. Anet deals with it in their way. Report what you see and move on.

Like i already said a couple of times... it's not the AFK farming that is bothering me. It's the fact that they claim a small area for their own use and effectively block off other players from content.

@Obtena.7952 said:Anet deals with it in their way.

So do i :)

That's not actually true; nothing stops you from going there, participating in the content, tagging the mobs and getting loot rights. In fact, now I think of it, this is probably the reason Anet doesn't do much about it. It's irrelevant if someone is AFK farming or actively participating in the event or not; the game is DESIGNED to allow this, believe it or not. You say this is about being blocked from content, but AFK farmers don't block content from other players ... at all.

I can't see how you don't acknowledge the AFK farming is the offensive part ... somehow the pittance of areas they occupy is a much more serious problem to you. This problem doesn't make sense, especially in the context of this game designed for it. You do realize that most of the end game open world content in this game is exactly the thing you describe that bothers you right?

In the old days for older MMO's, loot rights went to the most damage or the first hit; Anet fixed that issue and the trade off is the 'problem' you speak of. I simply don't see how you are blocked from content ... it's simply not true.

[Blocki.4931]

@Voltekka.2375 said:

@Blocki.4931 said:

@Voltekka.2375 said:

@Blocki.4931 said:

@Zedek.8932 said:

@Blocki.4931 said:That is a really odd thing to get upset about. They're not doing you any harm. If you run around the world killing everything on sight.. idk, might be the wrong game. A large majority of players ignores most enemies because they don't do anything anyway so why bother.

I occasionally afk farm as well to get lower tier mats, but at least I'm sitting next to it while I work or read.

Besides, you can never really know if they are there or not. If I don't want to be bothered I switch my chat to an empty tab and press # to remove it entirely. Never underestimate someone's ability to ignore everything while still being around somewhat. If they legitimately afk until they get kicked it's no harm done either

Excelsior.That's like blocking a parking space in a full/crowded parking lot while sitting in the car, doing nothing but reading or listening to music and then wondering why people honk at you and getting angry. "I dindu nuffing wrong"?

Sorry, that's not quite nice to say the least.

Except that my being somewhere in a game does not block anybody from standing in the exact same spot and taking kill credit or just straight up killing mobs before they even aggro on me. You can't compare this to the real world, because in the example you brought up there would actually be something to complain about - the physical presence of my car that makes it impossible for others to be in the very same spot. Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

Nonono. Have you ever tried to hit low level mobs when theres 3-4 engies, full turrets and everything around? You can't. You just cant.

I've never seen it that extreme, however I still do not believe that you not being able to kill 5 mobs that you would have NEVER even engaged in normal play would alter anybody's gameplay in any way at all - just something silly people can rage about because "muh gameplay". It's just so.. insignificant.

Well, we agree! If its so insignificant, maybe you should stop doing it! Unless you like doing insignificant stuff...

You're trying to police how other people play and enjoy the game. I do like doing insignificant stuff because it allows me to not pay much attention while still playing and gaining at least SOMETHING from it

You tell me to stop doing it while i tell you to stop complaining. Nobody has anything to gain here, it's just repeatedly annoying each other until one side eventually gets banned from the forums ;)

[Obtena.7952]

Even in low level areas, you can still participate ... it's actually easy to do so. I mean ... if a pile of AFK engis in turrets can ALL get lootrights participating in events and killing mobs ... what stops you?

[Fallesafe.5932]

@Abakk.9176 said:

@artemis.6781 said:

@Abakk.9176 said:

@"Blocki.4931" said:Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.AND the ones that are actually playing the game but can't because 'AFK-poacher & Co.' are hogging the place and hampering the mechanics of the area.Ive described what happens. Denying the grass is green doesn't make it blue or any other color.

And the mobs aggro WAY faster than that.

And you know you can tag those mobs too? Or has this simple solution alluded you? AOEs, traps, marks all work wonders. This game has no "steal kill".

Oh really? ...interesting... too bad that that is not what this is about.

Yea, exactly! You've completely missed the point. This is about having a pretext for grandstanding on the boards.

Please do not bring up:1) That we're talking about level 6 mobs in Queensdale.2) That you level out of that zone in like 15 minutes.3) That there's nothing stopping OP from killing those mobs too.4) That there are 10,000 places just as "interesting." Or...5) That the idea of a "botting business" in Queensdale is absolutely preposterous.

Because NONE OF THAT MATTERS, got it?

[Abakk.9176]

Edit: made a mistake.

[Fallesafe.5932]

@"Abakk.9176" said:yada, yada yada

No, you misunderstand! I have your back!! I'm explaining to one of the previous posters why his eminently reasonable counterpoints were all irrelevant, and why he needs to "get on your level!"

[Abakk.9176]

@Fallesafe.5932 said:

@Abakk.9176 said:yada, yada yada

No, you misunderstand! I have your back!! I'm explaining to one of the previous posters why his eminently reasonable counterpoints were all irrelevant.

Oh okay... sorry ... confused a bit :(

edit:The 'yada, yada, yada' part makes me giggle .. hehe :)

[Neutra.6857]

Oh so it isn't even botting that is the issue, you just don't like that mobs are killed at spawn instead of somewhere else. Hell it doesn't even matter if afk farming , so long as people are killing quickly at spawn instead of killing where you want them to it ruins your game.

[Abakk.9176]

@Neutra.6857 said:Oh so it isn't even botting that is the issue, you just don't like that mobs are killed at spawn instead of somewhere else. Hell it doesn't even matter if afk farming , so long as people are killing quickly at spawn instead of killing where you want them to it ruins your game.

Yeah, you see... some people actually enjoy the RPG part of this game.

Go figure...

@Neutra.6857 said:....killing where you want them...

It's about the dynamics of the area... not about 'where i want to kill'.

[ProtoGunner.4953]

I play since beta 2012 and never saw only once some on spot farmers (rangers in ember bay). So if this really is a thing then it's on very few spots and totally irrelevant. People in this forum overdramatise everything so much, it's really ridiculous.

[Abakk.9176]

@ProtoGunner.4953 said:I play since beta 2012 and never saw only once some on spot farmers (rangers in ember bay). So if this really is a thing then it's on very few spots and totally irrelevant. People in this forum overdramatise everything so much, it's really ridiculous.

There's two at the spot i described in this thread, as we speak. Go see if you don't believe.

What is ridiculous to me is the agressive downplaying. It's clear as a whistle that some nerves were struck :)

[Bloodstealer.5978]

@Blocki.4931 said:

@Voltekka.2375 said:

@Blocki.4931 said:

@Voltekka.2375 said:

@Blocki.4931 said:

@Zedek.8932 said:

@Blocki.4931 said:That is a really odd thing to get upset about. They're not doing you any harm. If you run around the world killing everything on sight.. idk, might be the wrong game. A large majority of players ignores most enemies because they don't do anything anyway so why bother.

I occasionally afk farm as well to get lower tier mats, but at least I'm sitting next to it while I work or read.

Besides, you can never really know if they are there or not. If I don't want to be bothered I switch my chat to an empty tab and press # to remove it entirely. Never underestimate someone's ability to ignore everything while still being around somewhat. If they legitimately afk until they get kicked it's no harm done either

Excelsior.That's like blocking a parking space in a full/crowded parking lot while sitting in the car, doing nothing but reading or listening to music and then wondering why people honk at you and getting angry. "I dindu nuffing wrong"?

Sorry, that's not quite nice to say the least.

Except that my being somewhere in a game does not block anybody from standing in the exact same spot and taking kill credit or just straight up killing mobs before they even aggro on me. You can't compare this to the real world, because in the example you brought up there would actually be something to complain about - the physical presence of my car that makes it impossible for others to be in the very same spot. Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

Nonono. Have you ever tried to hit low level mobs when theres 3-4 engies, full turrets and everything around? You can't. You just cant.

I've never seen it that extreme, however I still do not believe that you not being able to kill 5 mobs that you would have NEVER even engaged in normal play would alter anybody's gameplay in any way at all - just something silly people can rage about because "muh gameplay". It's just so.. insignificant.

Well, we agree! If its so insignificant, maybe you should stop doing it! Unless you like doing insignificant stuff...

You're trying to police how other people play and enjoy the game. I do like doing insignificant stuff because it allows me to not pay much attention while still playing and gaining at least SOMETHING from it

You tell me to stop doing it while i tell you to stop complaining. Nobody has anything to gain here, it's just repeatedly annoying each other until one side eventually gets banned from the forums ;)

Except the flaw in your argument is that 99.999% of the time they are not playing the game.. they are simply playing the system.. huge difference.You can try to name call and rage quote all you like in the thread as you already have been, which in itself makes me think that is merely a defence mechanism that has been triggered, but the fact remains AFK farming on the scale that its getting to in this game can only be bad for it both from player engagement and worse the economy.Players enjoy buying and selling in this game but when the market can be manipulated by players with 20-30 accounts of afk farm toons whether they are botting, macroing or whatever it has a negative impact both ways on the economy and allows control of specific items mats etc to be held by such manipulation of the system. Then once they have control the more nefarious issues can be seen, like selling of gold outside of the game and delivered in game via that same trading post.. unless of course you think its normal practice to see 10,20,30,50, 100 base items being sold for 000's of gold. One maybe by a chancer but the hundreds of others.. no it's just a way of servicing their goldselling practice outside and inside the game and moving gold around to their accounts.

But nothing is going to happen now, its gone past the point of no return imo. ANET won't act to fix the issue, they wont act to ban plyers because they stand to upset too many players at a time when the game likely needs them. So the only thing that is going to happen is the continuing ignorance of the issue. In fact I would hazard a guess this thread will be moderated or closed at some point today because it's easier to sweep the issue under the rug.

[Zaraki.5784]

Just out of curiosity, OP are you from NA or EU?

[Abakk.9176]

@Zaraki.5784 said:Just out of curiosity, OP are you from NA or EU?

I'm Dutch... why?

[kharmin.7683]

@Obtena.7952 said:the game is DESIGNED to allow this, believe it or not.

I'm not so sure that GW2 was designed with AFK farming as an intent.

[Zaraki.5784]

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Zaraki.5784 said:Just out of curiosity, OP are you from NA or EU?

I'm Dutch... why?

So EU, well I'm from eu too and I don't appear to see as many botters who ruin my game.

[FyzE.3472]

Thanks for the idea

[Abakk.9176]

@Zaraki.5784 said:

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Zaraki.5784 said:Just out of curiosity, OP are you from NA or EU?

I'm Dutch... why?

So EU, well I'm from eu too and I don't appear to see as many botters who ruin my game.

Lucky you then.

But what is 'many' ?

If i see something like this, stealing my enjoyment for the second or third time in a row, i feel things are getting out of hand and i try to rattle some cages.

Other people are part of the leechfest, can't be bothered with your or my enjoyment. And more others still play a totally different way and never come across it.

[BeardedVagabond.8136]

@"Galaa.8475" said:"slowly ruining the game", "running rampant", "slowly wrecking the game", frigging really? dramatic much?. This has such a minuscule effect on anything. Most of them are just farming Xp. I'm all over the maps daily. I hardly ever see them. maybe one every few maps. Anyway, just chill and play your game. Anet has already ruled on this and you're wasting your time reporting it. its a nothing burger. move on, nothing to see here.

Seriously this.It has zero effect on your game play. I feel like people keep making these threads for the sake of it. It doesn't stop you from enjoying 99.999999999% if the rest of the game. It has little to no effect on the market.Just do you, man.

[infrequentia.3465]

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Zaraki.5784 said:

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Zaraki.5784 said:Just out of curiosity, OP are you from NA or EU?

I'm Dutch... why?

So EU, well I'm from eu too and I don't appear to see as many botters who ruin my game.

Lucky you then.

But what is 'many' ?

If i see something like this, stealing my enjoyment for the second or third time in a row, i feel things are getting out of hand and i try to rattle some cages.

Other people are part of the leechfest, can't be bothered with your or my enjoyment. And more others still play a totally different way and never come across it.

ok lets turn this around.

5 people are stealing your enjoyment right?

what happens when 1 person (you) wants that area for himself ( wich you do to dodge attack role play jerkoff whatever)

aren't you then by deffinition stealing the enjoyment for those 5 people?

are we supposed to cater now to the minority of 1 person instead of the 5 people who are in the majority and thus have 5x more income for Anet?

do note that this all based on the hypothecical of your story and not by any means my stance on afk farmers

[kharmin.7683]

@infrequentia.3465 said:

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Zaraki.5784 said:

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Zaraki.5784 said:Just out of curiosity, OP are you from NA or EU?

I'm Dutch... why?

So EU, well I'm from eu too and I don't appear to see as many botters who ruin my game.

Lucky you then.

But what is 'many' ?

If i see something like this, stealing my enjoyment for the second or third time in a row, i feel things are getting out of hand and i try to rattle some cages.

Other people are part of the leechfest, can't be bothered with your or my enjoyment. And more others still play a totally different way and never come across it.

ok lets turn this around.

5 people are stealing your enjoyment right?

what happens when 1 person (you) wants that area for himself ( wich you do to dodge attack role play kitten whatever)

aren't you then by deffinition stealing the enjoyment for those 5 people?

are we supposed to cater now to the minority of 1 person instead of the 5 people who are in the majority and thus have 5x more income for Anet?

do note that this all based on the hypothecical of your story and not by any means my stance on afk farmers

One could argue that those 5 aren't enjoying the game because they are AFK and not really playing it.

/me shrugs

[HnRkLnXqZ.1870]

ANet does not care about this, they never did and probably never will. Whenever I see any of these, I think about how stupid I am to play fair without using this method. How great the fortune is, I already missed. And how much time farming, I could have saved if I just started with this early enough. - This goes through my head, whenever I see one of these specialists. It is sort of tormenting, knowing that all you do is probably a waste of time, compared to them parking their characters in that spot and returning after a few hours. I do not care about the fact that you have to be "around", re-spawn/re-build the adds once in a while, it is nothing like playing the game for real. And I understand every player who feels disturbed by their presence.

Each of these players contribute their part so map-benefits like karmic-retribution or general drop-rates get adjusted (aka nerfed). In the end, for a normal player, it is not worth to go there and farm. Inefficient. But the afk-farmers do not care, they have plenty of time! And that are ANet's best solutions for the problem. It feels like they slap the normal players for not afk-farming and that is even more frustrating. I can not ignore it, no matter how hard I try. And I understand every player who feels the same.

[Abakk.9176]

@infrequentia.3465 said:

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Zaraki.5784 said:

@Abakk.9176 said:

@Zaraki.5784 said:Just out of curiosity, OP are you from NA or EU?

I'm Dutch... why?

So EU, well I'm from eu too and I don't appear to see as many botters who ruin my game.

Lucky you then.

But what is 'many' ?

If i see something like this, stealing my enjoyment for the second or third time in a row, i feel things are getting out of hand and i try to rattle some cages.

Other people are part of the leechfest, can't be bothered with your or my enjoyment. And more others still play a totally different way and never come across it.

ok lets turn this around.

5 people are stealing your enjoyment right?

what happens when 1 person (you) wants that area for himself ( wich you do to dodge attack role play kitten whatever)

I don't want the place 'for myself'. In fact, i want it to be freed up so everyone can enjoy it as it was supposed to.

The dynamic of the place is that a small group of bandits stay around the campfire and 3 more guard the entrance to the enclosure. When you pull the guards and come too close they all come running out and you die if you don't run. But if you do it more carefully you can pull the first three and slowly work your way in. The mobs keep spawning however and you run a risk of getting overwhelmed and killed.

During it all there is also a small patrol that comes by every x minutes that attack you from behind if you don't pay notice.

It's quite impossible to 'steal' when you are playing like that and others can always join the fray. And i don't mean just tagging mobs and looting but actually battling.

But ofcourse when there are 3 Necro's and 12 minions camping the spawnpoint inside, the place is dead. And we are not talking minutes here but hours on end and THREE DAYS in a row so far.

@infrequentia.3465 said:aren't you then by deffinition stealing the enjoyment for those 5 people?are we supposed to cater now to the minority of 1 person instead of the 5 people who are in the majority and thus have 5x more income for Anet?

No, we should all log off as soon as we see a bunch of bruteforce farmers taking over an area ingame. Because we wouldn't want to bother them while they are 'hard at work' lining their virtual pockets.

What was i thinking.... :astonished: