Song of Eternity.8613 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 As it has probably been discussed, the Warbeast addition to WvW seems to discourage new players to WvW, because they can't keep up with zergs, which is where they need to be to grow experience, gain mastery points, and WvW currency. The Warbeast really has done more harm than good in this regard, but the solution is simple; make the Warbeast available to rent in the mists, and the problem is solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Very true this could also be the way Anet demonstrate players that are free players, they should buy it, because mounts are nice and they need it, segregating players to enforce them to buy something is not A good approach.And yeah war kitten as done more harm than anything else, it works on big maps, but eb and alpine are low effort smaller maps, it ends being to much for those maps that were designed to move from structure to structures by foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyOrion.9506 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I'd have to agree. There are players that can't keep up with mounted forces, leaving them to trail behind and get destroyed or swamped by enemy units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 So.. I disagree with a rental because it isn’t hard at all to get. You do have to be willing to ask for help.That being said, if it is allowed as a rental, 2 dodges, 1 HP and movement speed equal to enemy territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug.4930 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 @Strider Pj.2193 said:So.. I disagree with a rental because it isn’t hard at all to get. You do have to be willing to ask for help.What about players who don't have PoF? I don't understand why restricting other players access to such an essential mechanic influences your own enjoyment of the game. Do you enjoy bullying players who don't have the mount? I don't understand. That being said, if it is allowed as a rental, 2 dodges, 1 HP and movement speed equal to enemy territory.Hey this is exactly the change that should be brought to EVERYBODY'S mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 @Doug.4930 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:So.. I disagree with a rental because it isn’t hard at all to get. You do have to be willing to ask for help.What about players who don't have PoF? I don't understand why restricting other players access to such an essential mechanic influences your own enjoyment of the game. Do you enjoy bullying players who don't have the mount? I don't understand. Why are you suggesting I am bullying anyone? I am not prohibiting anyone. They have a choice. I am not dictating their choice.That being said, if it is allowed as a rental, 2 dodges, 1 HP and movement speed equal to enemy territory.Hey this is exactly the change that should be brought to EVERYBODY'S mount.I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 @Doug.4930 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:So.. I disagree with a rental because it isn’t hard at all to get. You do have to be willing to ask for help.What about players who don't have PoF? I don't understand why restricting other players access to such an essential mechanic influences your own enjoyment of the game. Do you enjoy bullying players who don't have the mount? I don't understand. That being said, if it is allowed as a rental, 2 dodges, 1 HP and movement speed equal to enemy territory.Hey this is exactly the change that should be brought to EVERYBODY'S mount.And honestly, it should be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug.4930 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 @Strider Pj.2193 said:@Doug.4930 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:So.. I disagree with a rental because it isn’t hard at all to get. You do have to be willing to ask for help.What about players who don't have PoF? I don't understand why restricting other players access to such an essential mechanic influences your own enjoyment of the game. Do you enjoy bullying players who don't have the mount? I don't understand. That being said, if it is allowed as a rental, 2 dodges, 1 HP and movement speed equal to enemy territory.Hey this is exactly the change that should be brought to EVERYBODY'S mount.And honestly, it should be removed. I can dream, but sadly this won't happen. So I think its fair that PoF should not be a requirement to play WvW. Without a mount rent feature or something similar, WvW is essentially unplayable for anyone who doesn't own PoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamsdjr.1350 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 or you know, since obtaining it is so unbelievably trivial and completely vital, give it to players for free? It's a real turn off for people wanting to get into wvw and they're late to everything/die all the time because they can't keep up with the groups and/or they just get picked off by other players on mounts. It doesn't make any sense to gate it behind a reward track. Make it cost some karma or badges or something, let's not turn people off to wvw more than we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I think mounts should have 1k health or be up for rent so we can eliminate the pay to win aspect of WvW.Current mount offers a lot more than mobility at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMed.3846 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Compared to PvE grind, it's rather easy to unlock warclaw. Just play it and get it.If you don't have PoF then tough luck. You get what you pay for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Make warclaw available in the gem shop.Can be purchased only with real currency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug.4930 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 @BadMed.3846 said:If you don't have PoF then tough luck. You get what you pay for So you're ok with pay to win mechanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 WvW needs to get rid of mounts and all will be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyOrion.9506 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 @Doug.4930 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@Doug.4930 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:So.. I disagree with a rental because it isn’t hard at all to get. You do have to be willing to ask for help.What about players who don't have PoF? I don't understand why restricting other players access to such an essential mechanic influences your own enjoyment of the game. Do you enjoy bullying players who don't have the mount? I don't understand. That being said, if it is allowed as a rental, 2 dodges, 1 HP and movement speed equal to enemy territory.Hey this is exactly the change that should be brought to EVERYBODY'S mount.And honestly, it should be removed. I can dream, but sadly this won't happen. So I think its fair that PoF should not be a requirement to play WvW. Without a mount rent feature or something similar, WvW is essentially unplayable for anyone who doesn't own PoF.Actually you can still play WvW without a mount. You however will be relegated to roaming status. Or defense of a location. Castle, garrison, keep, tower defense does not require a mount. I did scouting and location defense for nearly a year and a half, and that was before mounts. And even today, mounts are not needed for roaming or defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug.4930 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 @KeyOrion.9506 said:@Doug.4930 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@Doug.4930 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:So.. I disagree with a rental because it isn’t hard at all to get. You do have to be willing to ask for help.What about players who don't have PoF? I don't understand why restricting other players access to such an essential mechanic influences your own enjoyment of the game. Do you enjoy bullying players who don't have the mount? I don't understand. That being said, if it is allowed as a rental, 2 dodges, 1 HP and movement speed equal to enemy territory.Hey this is exactly the change that should be brought to EVERYBODY'S mount.And honestly, it should be removed. I can dream, but sadly this won't happen. So I think its fair that PoF should not be a requirement to play WvW. Without a mount rent feature or something similar, WvW is essentially unplayable for anyone who doesn't own PoF.Actually you can still play WvW without a mount. You however will be relegated to roaming status. Or defense of a location. Castle, garrison, keep, tower defense does not require a mount. I did scouting and location defense for nearly a year and a half, and that was before mounts. And even today, mounts are not needed for roaming or defense.Well I wouldn't say that sitting in a tower is going to get newer players into the game. As for roaming without a mount, sure if you're a vet and have hundreds of hours roaming experience. Just like its possible to roam on a core engie. But is it feasible for most of the player base? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Remove it all together, problem solved. Actually multiple problems solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Warclaw mount rental would be something beneficial to new players who haven't obtained one yet. The warclaw has balance issues (such as 3 dodges and the health pool), but at least this would level the playing field a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heibi.4251 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 If a rental was introduced I would say that once they dismount they have to go back the rental place to get a new one. Otherwise it makes the need to get one unnecessary. And 2 dodges and 1k health would be a perfect downgrade for a rental.As for other issues - It sometimes seems as if the enemy is moving faster than I can in "my" territory, plus sometimes they go invis for some reason. Also lately there have been numerous players sitting out in the open on their mounts but they aren't really there and they suddenly appear in another location nearby and ride off. And it isn't limited to the same servers. Every matchup has 2 or 3 of them.As for people getting help - if I know someone in my zerg needs the mount achieves I try to get those objectives for them. Then it just becomes play time to finish the reward track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWI.4127 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 A good simple solution to at least lessen the huge advantage that having a mount gives you. Mounts in general are horrible for new players, and probably are detrimental to getting new people in WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouchybhaal.4275 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 All our new players get their warclaw either on the first or second guild run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X T D.6458 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 While I never supported the idea of mounts in WvW, I do not agree with this suggestion. If you want it, earn it. If you can just rent it anytime then you have no incentive to actually work on the collection and engage in any sort of activity. Rent mount, do some quick daily, and hop out of WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSeed.3528 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 It would be interesting to see how bad people would be now if the mount was momentarily removed - dead bodies everywhere. I would hazard a guess that people are too dependant on the crutch it gives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Yea, it's quite a barrier to entry that is needlessly frustrating. Weren't they considering it already? I think the grinding should be towards earning warclaw skins (you know, instead of them having them all locked in the gem store)Either that or buff reward tracks to make them go faster. That could benefit WvW players as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSeed.3528 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 @ArchonWing.9480 said:Yea, it's quite a barrier to entry that is needlessly frustrating. Weren't they considering it already? I think the grinding should be towards earning warclaw skins (you know, instead of them having them all locked in the gem store)Either that or buff reward tracks to make them go faster. That could benefit WvW players as a whole. I don't understand why they don't let you earn a lot of these things in game. I mean they can make nice skins for us to earn in game as well as from gemstore. There's no reason both cannot exist. And not just warclaw skins mind you. Just in general. And also not crappy skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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