Zexanima.7851 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Been playing necro pretty exclusively lately and wont be home for several hours. What's everyone's initial impression around necro and the balance patch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancho.8750 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Surviving for longer if there isn't something borked, can't kill weavers no more, can't cleave rez, get insta gibed again by thiefs, conditions still burn your ass off and do less damage. IGN 3/10 fail patch for reaper.Might be good patch for codi memes with minions saw multiple minions mansers with mesmers running around not fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexanima.7851 Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 @Vancho.8750 said:Surviving for longer if there isn't something borked, can't kill weavers no more, can't cleave rez, get insta gibed again by thiefs, conditions still burn your kitten off and do less damage. IGN 3/10 fail patch for reaper.Might be good patch for codi memes with minions saw multiple minions mansers with mesmers running around not fun.I think my scourge build should be fine. I don't really play reaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trixantea.1230 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Power reaper has definitively become worse in both PvP and WvW. I am now experimenting with scourge hoping to find a low-effort high-reward build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I am having a much easier time than before on reaper. Do we all play the same game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malsheem.1794 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Strictly speaking as a scourge in SPVPFor the trouble of landing shades and activating them, the damage is very low.Sustain is bad even with Rapid Amulet. Power builds such as soulbeast still auto you for 1k. Got hit by a 6758 damage "Maul" and a 8600 damage "Worldly Impact" - and thats with 2125 Toughness. Ppl talking about condi meta but you really need a class that can spam and continuously land those. Shades wont do that.With lack of stability and such, the increased CC-duration on otherclasses can be rough and i almost felt like i needed 3 stunbreaks.The time where you feel most effective, is when your team has downed someone.This is not to say that "patch sucks" or whatever. It`s my first impression and even though i feel like its a struggle, I still love playing my scourge. Besides, Im only 10 games in and we know anet said they will patch "fast" to fix stuff. Not sure how to fix scourge without making it OP but one can always hope for a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimon.7840 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 From the short time I was trying some 1v1s:In my opinion reaper got hit harder by the patch than it first looks.So from my 30 minutes of roaming a bit and 1v1s and clouding fights:Roaming/1v1s:Felt like Condi mirage is now impossible to beat. You don't have enough burst to attack them in the small windows you have.Same goes for Condi rev. The enemy ate my whole soul spiral and it was doing 4k damage, which is a joke if you consider, that it dealt 14-20k before the patch.Clouding:Power mesmer/ mirage still has an insane Spike, hitting for over 6k with f1.Thiefs vault still easily hits for 14k on a very low armor build.Don't think that I can really judge it by now, if reaper got weaker, stronger, or stayed the same.Especially because I first need to change my play style.Reaper 5 and elite shout not doing any damage has an high impact on my old play style.Scourge:Feels like power scourge is completely useless now. Time for Condi/hybrid scourge, that felt much better And did more damage in zergfights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eramonster.2718 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @Nimon.7840 said:From the short time I was trying some 1v1s:In my opinion reaper got hit harder by the patch than it first looks.So from my 30 minutes of roaming a bit and 1v1s and clouding fights:Roaming/1v1s:Felt like Condi mirage is now impossible to beat. You don't have enough burst to attack them in the small windows you have.Same goes for Condi rev. The enemy ate my whole soul spiral and it was doing 4k damage, which is a joke if you consider, that it dealt 14-20k before the patch.Clouding:Power mesmer/ mirage still has an insane Spike, hitting for over 6k with f1.Thiefs vault still easily hits for 14k on a very low armor build.Don't think that I can really judge it by now, if reaper got weaker, stronger, or stayed the same.Especially because I first need to change my play style.Reaper 5 and elite shout not doing any damage has an high impact on my old play style.Scourge:Feels like power scourge is completely useless now. Time for Condi/hybrid scourge, that felt much better And did more damage in zergfightsUsing what Gear stats, Sigil and Rune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeftheWicked.3076 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rym.1469 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Logged in, made a basic Terrormancer, won 10 out of 10 games.It's solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eramonster.2718 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @ZeftheWicked.3076 said:I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting..Core's shroud has bleed, fear and torment, possible to work something out. Reaper's however, leans towards Power, especially after they nerfed Poison in Spiral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malsheem.1794 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @ZeftheWicked.3076 said:I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting..Core necro is the best spec in SPVP atm, so there is that. Your damage is ok but your sustain is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xca.9721 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @ZeftheWicked.3076 said:I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting..What gutting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeftheWicked.3076 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @Xca.9721 said:@ZeftheWicked.3076 said:I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting..What gutting?The Foot in the Grave removal gutting. Defense vs cc dropped to non-existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geist.4126 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I don't do spvp anymore, but in wvw the worst thing you can play right now is any form of core necro. You get either outcleansed, outrunned or even outconditioned by any class running around. It's not even a hard choice which skills to use because most of them are useless and you need your stun break and you most likely need corrupt boon and spectral armor.It's way weaker than before the patch and even if backstab from a thief doesn't hit you for 18k anymore you can't win in the longer fight.I really don't see a place for a necro out of a group that is babysitting you hard in wvw - which means you will be playing Scourge in your wvw blob and corrupting boons and spreading barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexanima.7851 Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 Back, played a lot of necro last night. In my opinion, it's wayyyyy stronk. The only thing I had trouble with was getting CC locked, which is just the necro life. If I didn't get CC locked I just shredded people. Condi scourge, condi core, power core, and hell I even got fairly okay results out of condi chill reaper. I was even rolling people on a minion scourge build. It was nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackmonster.2790 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @Zexanima.7851 said:Back, played a lot of necro last night. In my opinion, it's wayyyyy stronk. The only thing I had trouble with was getting CC locked, which is just the necro life. If I didn't get CC locked I just shredded people. Condi scourge, condi core, power core, and hell I even got fairly okay results out of condi chill reaper. I was even rolling people on a minion scourge build. It was nutsMight be because the influx they tried to bring into wvw is people that arent in practice or not really the best players, or testing new builds, or playing old bad builds. It's every reason to think right now it's the time for the foreseeable future with the mobs random players running around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @"Malsheem.1794" said:Strictly speaking as a scourge in SPVPFor the trouble of landing shades and activating them, the damage is very low.Sustain is bad even with Rapid Amulet. Power builds such as soulbeast still auto you for 1k. Got hit by a 6758 damage "Maul" and a 8600 damage "Worldly Impact" - and thats with 2125 Toughness. Ppl talking about condi meta but you really need a class that can spam and continuously land those. Shades wont do that.With lack of stability and such, the increased CC-duration on otherclasses can be rough and i almost felt like i needed 3 stunbreaks.The time where you feel most effective, is when your team has downed someone.This is not to say that "patch sucks" or whatever. It`s my first impression and even though i feel like its a struggle, I still love playing my scourge. Besides, Im only 10 games in and we know anet said they will patch "fast" to fix stuff. Not sure how to fix scourge without making it OP but one can always hope for a solution.But you are absolutely right with your conclusions. For solo or small scale scourges the patch was the final nail in the coffin. The spec does only perform acceptable in pve and blob fights. Scourge is by far the worst you can run in solo queue. At least the other two necro specs do quite well.others stating reaper feels worseSignet reaper is decent now:The durable but low mobile version:http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSwAc2FlRw0YcMPWJOuWnNbA-z5QXGZmC9WB2OAThe funny mobile version no one can escape from:http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSwAc2FlRw0YWMPWJOuWnNbA-z5QXGZmC9WB2NA(a mix of both is also good, like spectal armor + speed rune)The good old corrupt bomb with a good balance between duarability, mobility and impact:http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSwAc2FlJwsYcMPWJOuLataA-z5QXGZmC9WB2OAAll three builds perform fine to me. If you feel you lack damage they are all also viable on marauder gear if you watch your defensive cooldowns before entering a teamfight.For wvw:If you haven't yet: try tanky low precision gear combined with double vision sigil. It works fine for me.https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Sigil_of_Vision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 @Malsheem.1794 said:@ZeftheWicked.3076 said:I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting..Core necro is the best spec in SPVP atm, so there is that. Your damage is ok but your sustain is insane.Not good enough for people that are still ascending the learning curve on the class. #moarstab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curennos.9307 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 It's still extremely aggravating that core's shroud AA, on a condi build, borderline requires a GM trait to not be godawful. And even with the trait it's still just okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayabusafmw.9370 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Nah you are fine with necro. Anything condi actually. Yesterday went full condi and killed 5 guys. It was 5 v 1 i won..... with auto attack. I guess they were all stuck in 800 seconds cooldowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwaihir.1745 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 @ZeftheWicked.3076 said:I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting..Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? Core necro is off the charts powerful in wvw atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Well lame signet necro works, but my normal build doesn't do enough damage and everybody play some stupid condi bunker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimon.7840 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 @Gwaihir.1745 said:@ZeftheWicked.3076 said:I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting..Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? Core necro is off the charts powerful in wvw atm.Roaming? Yeah, quite good.Zerging? Not enough cleave or big dmg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 @Nimon.7840 said:@Gwaihir.1745 said:@ZeftheWicked.3076 said:I can't wait to read a core necro's feedback on this...assuming any will be bold enough to actually play core after this gutting..Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? Core necro is off the charts powerful in wvw atm.Roaming? Yeah, quite good.Zerging? Not enough cleave or big dmgI agree in Roaming the tanky build now plebs use is simply too much of a meme.. Corruptions and conditions are busted off the scale at this moment (from a WvW perspective right now) Reaper and Core being the worst offenders.I would not touch the inherent tankiness or corruptions but something needs to be done about the condition spam. Scourge is weird right now as i haven't been able to find a good build atm. But a couple of experimental builds hold promise so my guess it will be fine.In WvW it is still mandatory if you want to play in an squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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