Ostricheggs.3742 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Ignoring the efficacy of core necros in general, Lich is just broken in 2v2s. Its duration of TWENTY seconds is just insane and its counters are slim. Most non-bunky classes can eat 6 autos max. You blow two dodges and whatever else and you're still going to have at least 10 seconds of lich up. It's a damn miracle if you're a focus target and survive it. You could make the same argument about rampage, but at half the duration you can mostly handle it.If I can offer a suggestion I'd tone down the more powerful elites in 2v2s, if that is at all possible. Worst case, just lock them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster.8752 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 They aren't balancing for 2v2 which makes it stupid to have only 2v2 as ranked after a massive balance patch. So they get no actual feedback on balance. Disaster development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 As the other poster said, they are not balancing for 2v2s. The sooner everyone realizes this the better. All balance feedback should address 5v5 conquest only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostricheggs.3742 Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 This is such an incredibly easy fix. I don't see why they can't. Don't allow lich in 2v2s. It'll make the game mode a whole lot more fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellesee.8297 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 games without lich or firebrands are much more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXxNikiGoesWildxXx.3678 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Lich form should be shorter, like 33% from its current duration. Warriors Rampage is similar and should be also shorter - you use elite with just enough time to use all 5 spells. Spaming 1111 with elite is toxic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 You can say they don't balance around 2v2 but that doesn't change the fact the skills are busted regardless and need attention.So much has gone under the radar and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Didn't you guys learn how to deal with lich in like 2013? It lasts kinda long... but its def got some counters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArlAlt.1630 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 @Eurantien.4632 said:Didn't you guys learn how to deal with lich in like 2013? It lasts kinda long... but its def got some counters Edit: I had a rebuttal ready, but the North Korean authorities are watching, so here’s this:Didn’t your momma teach you “if you got nothing constructive to say, you should say nothing at all”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zietlogik.6208 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 its definitely too powerful in the 2v2 format...but the strange thing is...its pretty much the only elite in the game right now that feels like AN ELITE SKILL, Rampage used to feel the same way, so did Prime Light Beam but now it's nerfed and kinda speaks volumes to how Elites are even designed....currently they are just another utility skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Trinity.1804 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I am a necro main, and I COMPLETELY AGREE that the 1 skill for lich elite skill form needs to have its damage output drastically reduced for pvp, along the same lines as the other power skills in the game (33% or more damage coefficient reduction). It is completely overpowered damage output in pvp, and now that people are realizing this, it is being vastly abused even on builds that normally would choose a different elite skill. The duration only seems to be a problem due to the now improperly scaled damage for the 1 skill in lich form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Play.6104 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 2013 called. ever hear of MOA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Nerf Lich Form damage a lot and reduce the cooldown a bit so that it can be usable in conquest too. @"Rickster.8752" said:They aren't balancing for 2v2 which makes it stupid to have only 2v2 as ranked after a massive balance patch. So they get no actual feedback on balance. Disaster development.We already have a downtime between two conquest seasons, now we won't have any downtime. There is literally no cons of this lol.Also I love how everyone was like "CONQUEST BAD" and then when 2v2 came out everyone instantly started to love conquest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coro.3176 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 @Ostricheggs.3742 said:Ignoring the efficacy of core necros in general, Lich is just broken in 2v2s. Its duration of TWENTY seconds is just insane and its counters are slim. Most non-bunky classes can eat 6 autos max. You blow two dodges and whatever else and you're still going to have at least 10 seconds of lich up. It's a kitten miracle if you're a focus target and survive it. You could make the same argument about rampage, but at half the duration you can mostly handle it.If I can offer a suggestion I'd tone down the more powerful elites in 2v2s, if that is at all possible. Worst case, just lock them.Lich form needs a hotfix nerf to be 10s in 2v2. It is that game-breaking. The maps are not large enough to kite 20s of lich form that auto-attacks for 5k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexanima.7851 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 It strong and does need its AA coefficient nerfed. That being said you can currently deal with it with; LoS, blind, projectile hate, corrupt stab, chain CC, moa, weakness, stealth and probably a few more I'm missing. It's powerful, maybe a little too much so, but manageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycura.1982 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Focus the necro when it pops lich it loses it's signets just like rampage but without damage redux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coro.3176 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 @Tycura.1982 said:Focus the necro when it pops lich it loses it's signets just like rampage but without damage redux.You will lose that trade unless you also happen to be a necro in lich form. Their damage + health beats your damage + health. The fact that the damage wasn't reduced is a big deal. You just can't stand toe to toe with 5k+ autoattacks for 20s straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coro.3176 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 My strategy for dealing with Lich Form has been:dodge the first 2 autoattacksswap to toolkit, block the next 2 autoattacks with Gear Shieldtry and immob the necro for a few seconds with glue shot, probably eat a 5k autoattack for my trouble. Attempt a blind with static shot to cause the next auto to miss.Rocket Boots x2 the fuck away. Try to get all the way to the opponents' spawn and LoS around a corner. Maybe take a 5k auto in the back while I flee.The necro still has about 10s left of Lich. Hope they decide it'll be too much effort to chase me down and focus my teammate instead.So then if my teammate isn't dead from getting 2v1'd by a lich and whatever else (probably guard), run back to the fight and continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeqkOneStylez.8047 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 If it comes to it they should just ban transformations in 2 vs 2 alltogether if they arent gonna reduce duration. However lich teams are not unbeatable but I guess it could be easy mode vs a few comps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 @Zietlogik.6208 said:its definitely too powerful in the 2v2 format...but the strange thing is...its pretty much the only elite in the game right now that feels like AN ELITE SKILL, Rampage used to feel the same way, so did Prime Light Beam but now it's nerfed and kinda speaks volumes to how Elites are even designed....currently they are just another utility skill.TBH, I'd rather have another utility slot on my engineer. Mortar kit is the only one I can use in the elite slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choovanski.5462 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 a whole thread of people who don't use moa or reflects. what a shame to have a small brainwonder when the community will realise how good double moa is in 2v2? hint hint it's better than lich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 @choovanski.5462 said:a whole thread of people who don't use moa or reflects. what a shame to have a small brainwonder when the community will realise how good double moa is in 2v2? hint hint it's better than lichMoa + Reflect on distort.Too bad it doesn't kill two coordinated liches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggityzog.7389 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 This season would be great if 80% of the games weren't firebrand and core necro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 @Ziggityzog.7389 said:This season would be great if 80% of the games weren't firebrand and core necroThis^ even necro mains prob are getting annoyed at all the people bandwagoning to their class and are hoping the new found popularity doesn't contribute even more to the nerfing of the class lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggityzog.7389 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 @Psycoprophet.8107 said:@Ziggityzog.7389 said:This season would be great if 80% of the games weren't firebrand and core necroThis^ even necro mains prob are getting annoyed at all the people bandwagoning to their class and are hoping the new found popularity doesn't contribute even more to the nerfing of the class lolBasically yes. Nerf core and the issue with life force. No need for a reaper nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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