Rose.2593 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Skills that transform players can counter other transform skills. Stability doesn't nullify it and Stability is also a double edged boon as it can convert into Fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose.2593 Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 Okay sure, the transform skill is right, but how can you still be feared in Lich form, when the tool tip specifically says cannot be feared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 @John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega.5791 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 @John.8507 said:Okay sure, the transform skill is right, but how can you still be feared in Lich form, when the tool tip specifically says cannot be feared? Lich form has stability, pulsing, so when that gets corrupted it becomes fear. :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycura.1982 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I mean that's just counter play and they would have to corrupt or remove your stability for that to happen. Are you saying lich should have less counterplay? That's a hot take lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethekey.8314 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @John.8507 said:Okay sure, the transform skill is right, but how can you still be feared in Lich form, when the tool tip specifically says cannot be feared? I certainly fear Lich Form. Have nightmares about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @John.8507 said:Okay sure, the transform skill is right, but how can you still be feared in Lich form, when the tool tip specifically says cannot be feared? Take a look at that tooltip again. The transform does not grant you immunity to fear and other CC, it just applies stability. Which is a boon, and boons have counterplay to them. They can be removed and corrupted. So the transform is functionally not broken, it's actually working as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems ass backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems kitten backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by designI'm sorry Lich is counter to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I'm sorry but when i read the title i understood "Lich Form is OP" wich i was going to say "A little overtunned.. Yes..."Am i the only one who relates "broken" to be overtunned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @"anduriell.6280" said:I'm sorry but when i read the title i understood "Lich Form is OP" wich i was going to say "A little overtunned.. Yes..."Am i the only one who relates "broken" to be overtunned? "Broken" stand for both in an advantageous way and a disadvantageous way. We see more often "OP" for orvertunned than "UP" for "undertunned".As for the subject of the thread, the Lich form tooltip does not say that you cannot be feared, it's the stability tooltip that say it. Stability, being a boon, is subject to boon counterplay (boon rip, boon convertion, boon stealing...), and in case of boon convertion this specific boon is converted into fear (removing it and applying fear). As for Moa, it's a transformation skill and thus is not affected by stability so it just replace lich form when used against someone under lich form transformation (Wouldn't it be troublesome if you couldn't use lich form or death/reaper shroud due to the fact that they are transformation because you have stability?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Well reapers deadlier than warrior in melee range so why wouldn't it have a deadlier transform as well, anets balance....what a wonderful thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems kitten backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by designI'm sorry Lich is counter to what?I ment as stability counter to CC, and moa ( cc ) counters stability.If anything it should be unblockable and ignore blind but be stopped by stability, would be more logically sound and less bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems kitten backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by designI'm sorry Lich is counter to what?I ment as stability counter to CC, and moa ( cc ) counters stability.If anything it should be unblockable and ignore blind but be stopped by stability, would be more logically sound and less badPlease no, how am I supposed to deal with flamethrower scrappers then? Grillers are strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems kitten backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by designI'm sorry Lich is counter to what?I ment as stability counter to CC, and moa ( cc ) counters stability.If anything it should be unblockable and ignore blind but be stopped by stability, would be more logically sound and less badPlease no, how am I supposed to deal with flamethrower scrappers then? Grillers are strongI guess Shadow Meld is okay then? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems kitten backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by designI'm sorry Lich is counter to what?I ment as stability counter to CC, and moa ( cc ) counters stability.If anything it should be unblockable and ignore blind but be stopped by stability, would be more logically sound and less badThat’d be insanely broken. Dodging, blinding, and blocking are perfect counters to Moa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @Bazsi.2734 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems kitten backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by designI'm sorry Lich is counter to what?I ment as stability counter to CC, and moa ( cc ) counters stability.If anything it should be unblockable and ignore blind but be stopped by stability, would be more logically sound and less badPlease no, how am I supposed to deal with flamethrower scrappers then? Grillers are strongI guess Shadow Meld is okay then? :PIDK dude, I'm a mesmer, my job is to die when a shadow melder spawns :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @phokus.8934 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems kitten backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by designI'm sorry Lich is counter to what?I ment as stability counter to CC, and moa ( cc ) counters stability.If anything it should be unblockable and ignore blind but be stopped by stability, would be more logically sound and less badThat’d be insanely broken. Dodging, blinding, and blocking are perfect counters to Moayes, 180s cd 1s cast time would be insanely broken indeed, its stupid that random proc of blind or aegis can deny you 180s cd skill while something that is ment to deny CC ( stab ) cant do shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutesySylveon.8290 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@phokus.8934 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Terrorhuz.4695 said:@John.8507 said:According to the skill notes when your in this form you can't be feared, but that happens where you get feared, all so turned in to a moa as well which seems like it shouldn't happenWhy shouldn't that happen? Seeing a giant fearsome lich and turning it into a bird is, other than perfectly legit counterplay, one of the funniest things you can get out of this game.I personally think moa ignoring stab is stupid, but the skill itself is so bad nerfing it would be pointless.but the concept of having a counter to a counter seems kitten backwards to me, similar thing to shadow-meld. stupid by designI'm sorry Lich is counter to what?I ment as stability counter to CC, and moa ( cc ) counters stability.If anything it should be unblockable and ignore blind but be stopped by stability, would be more logically sound and less badThat’d be insanely broken. Dodging, blinding, and blocking are perfect counters to Moayes, 180s cd 1s cast time would be insanely broken indeed, its stupid that random proc of blind or aegis can deny you 180s cd skill while something that is ment to deny CC ( stab ) cant do kittenHonestly, I doubt it would be broken even if Moa was still 10 seconds. It's already pretty much required to do Moa under CS because that cooldown is just too massive to risk being mitigated so easily by blocks and blinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styros.8931 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 whole necro is broken, specially fear zone, but who cares :joy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixora.3569 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 It would be cool to make there shroud form a channel skill so you cant just panic F1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levijeh.9643 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Well yeah you cannot be feared and you shall not be feared lol. Cause you have pulsing stability, but it can get perma corrupted by another fellow necro, making it a fun to look at scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabastrum.9361 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 @Psycoprophet.8107 said:Well reapers deadlier than warrior in melee range so why wouldn't it have a deadlier transform as well, anets balance....what a wonderful thing.Rampage actually outtrades Lich because of the dmg reduction and extra vitality. If you land dash its even better. Lich doesnt get any dmg reduction after all.Same thing with Tornado btw. there you have too much stab.Rampage is the best transformation elite in a head to head with other transformation elites. It also last longer enabling to cc the Necro after his Lich form has ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 @Alabastrum.9361 said:@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Well reapers deadlier than warrior in melee range so why wouldn't it have a deadlier transform as well, anets balance....what a wonderful thing.Rampage actually outtrades Lich because of the dmg reduction and extra vitality. If you land dash its even better. Lich doesnt get any dmg reduction after all.Same thing with Tornado btw. there you have too much stab.Rampage is the best transformation elite in a head to head with other transformation elites. It also last longer enabling to cc the Necro after his Lich form has ended.Naw I disagree, loch 100% is more effective in team fights and as a oh shit button, rampage is extremely easy to kite and wait out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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