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  • memausz.7264memausz.7264 Member ✭✭✭

    What will it mean for the Guild Wars 2 community? What are the positives, the negatives? Discuss!

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @memausz.7264 said:
    What will it mean for the Guild Wars 2 community? What are the positives, the negatives? Discuss!

    GW2 already has multiple communities. You have in-game, Forums, Reddit and others. This will be just one more group. More people in an MMO, is typically, a good thing.

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  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nothing. Because stores aren't communities.

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nothing will change. There will be a short influx of players that will leave a week later, some will come back for the free seasons should they like the story enough or find fellow players to play with.

    Why bother, just delete the official Forum.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It won't mean anything for the communities.

    There'll be a few more people temporarily mingling within communities, before most of them will move onto other games.
    However, it won't affect anything.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2020

    @memausz.7264 said:
    What will it mean for the Guild Wars 2 community?

    Almost nothing.

    What are the positives,

    Potential new players from the group of people that for some/any reason want to use steam for everything (or have $$ stored in their steam wallet already and feel the need to spend it on mmorpg).

    the negatives?

    You tell me.

    Discuss!

    No u.
    (as in: maybe share your own opinion about it if you think this thread is a "necessary" one? ;) )

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I feel the title lied OP, you dont give anything that make this discussion necessary at all.

  • Is there a release date known more specific than just next month?

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @GoldenPants.1468 said:
    Is there a release date known more specific than just next month?

    No there is not any date yet.

  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    It won't mean anything for the communities.

    There'll be a few more people temporarily mingling within communities, before most of them will move onto other games.
    However, it won't affect anything.

    Agreed.

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  • jokke.6239jokke.6239 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2020

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @memausz.7264 said:
    What will it mean for the Guild Wars 2 community?

    Almost nothing.

    What are the positives,

    Potential new players from the group of people that for some/any reason want to use steam for everything (or have $$ stored in their steam wallet already and feel the need to spend it on mmorpg).

    There's lots of potential for a massive amount of new players.
    How much advertising have arena net done since release? Yeah .. not a lot.
    There's a lot of people who either assume the game is dead or never knew it existed, and now they can try it out for free.
    Gaining new players to the game have almost been entirely from word of mouth, now it will be presented in front of millions of potential players.
    This will be the biggest amount of "advertisement" the game has had for ages.
    Hopefully the game will be promoted on the store page on launch day, and end up in the "top f2p" section.
    It's also entirely possible it completely fails, or just does allright
    We'll just have to wait and see.

  • Crono.4197Crono.4197 Member ✭✭
    edited October 24, 2020

    To be honest, the move is a good one, but the game will be poorly understood.
    What I mean by that is that from what I have seen, ever since 2015, many people perceive the game as a free to play game, when the game is actually letting people trying out the base game for free instead of paying for it, like in was in the past.

    This has led many people saying "Guild Wars 2 is a free to play, pay to win game" and from what I've seen in some of the curators posts on Steam, they share the same oppinion. This might affect the game negatively. The "free to play, pay to win" type of games are so many these days that many people assume that if a game has paid content, it's automatically pay to win. Pretty sure most people that have never heard of Guild Wars 2 or never tried it, will just assume the base game was always free to play and that the paid content is a "locked content in order for Arena Net to get more money, pay to win game, yada yada" without even searching to see that the base game wasn't initially like this.

    So while Steam might improve the population a bit, it might have an overall bad impact because it will further spread the oppinion of those people who think that Guild wars 2 is a pay to win game. I'm neutral towards this Steam thing, but the negative impact it might have on the game worries me.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crono.4197 said:
    This has led many people saying "Guild Wars 2 is a free to play, pay to win game" and from what I've seen in some of the curators posts on Steam, they share the same oppinion. This might affect the game negatively. The "free to play, pay to win" type of games are so many these days that many people assume that if a game has paid content, it's automatically pay to win.

    To be fair, from a PvP and WvW perspective, GW2 is pay to win.
    After all, elite specializations tend to outperform core professions and they need to be paid for.

  • krz.1327krz.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    still no release date?

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2020

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Crono.4197 said:
    This has led many people saying "Guild Wars 2 is a free to play, pay to win game" and from what I've seen in some of the curators posts on Steam, they share the same oppinion. This might affect the game negatively. The "free to play, pay to win" type of games are so many these days that many people assume that if a game has paid content, it's automatically pay to win.

    To be fair, from a PvP and WvW perspective, GW2 is pay to win.
    After all, elite specializations tend to outperform core professions and they need to be paid for.

    Which still by definition means every game, including singleplayer games and their expansions/dlc, are pay to win. Because last I checked, you have to pay for games to win at them. To be fair, thats not really the definition of MMO p2w, is it? Neither sPvP or WvW is that simple. Someone with core can curbstomp someone with all expansions.

    It doesnt really matter what steam curators say though, overall impressions of the game is more important.

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  • Mortifera.6138Mortifera.6138 Member ✭✭✭

    Why did this need a new thread? We have a discussion on Steam already.

  • Mortifera.6138Mortifera.6138 Member ✭✭✭

    @krz.1327 said:
    still no release date?

    When it's ready.

  • Sooo to be clear although we cant link our accounts to steam, we can at least play with the steam account players yes? Like as they said its a shared world so whether you are an Anet or Steam user this will be populating the worlds right? Though I'm sad we cant transfer and use steam wallets instead, I'm happy if it means it'll populate more of the maps again.

  • When is guild wars 2 coming out on steam in november

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    All of the information that we have can be found in the stickied link above https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/112953/guild-wars-2-is-coming-to-steam-merged

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    you answered your own question...

    the truth is harsh, my opinions are too.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 26, 2020

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    you answered your own question...

    No, he didn't, he's asking about the exact day.

  • Mortifera.6138Mortifera.6138 Member ✭✭✭

    When it’s ready.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    sometime bettwen day 1-30 Id guess

  • we don't know

  • We'd like to pay with our regional price.

  • I love how on this thread a lot of old ancient seers back from the underworld to say how will be the future, thank you for your efforts traveling through the worlds just to tell us "Nothing will change"

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2020

    Interesting indeed and wise given the PoF/LS4 issues

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  • @Astyrah.4015 said:

    @maddoctor.2738 said:
    Hopefully the posts about Guild Wars 2 coming on Steam will stop now.
    Excellent idea to bring the game to Steam, hopefully we'll get many new players.

    yes. all those people who kept predicting the doom of GW2 if it came to steam should stop now. i really appreciate Anet's move to bring GW2 to steam. i mean GW1 is on steam so why not GW2?

    and of course, like SWTOR, i hope we get more players and hopefully in the long run it's a boon to Anet and the whole community

    People fear a botched release on Steam, the doom feeling is way more justified than you believe. If they were to release right now the review rating on Steam would be at mixed at best. Some people will not like the horizontal progression, some people will not like the combat system, some will hate the laggy maps, some will rage about PvP balance as they will feel they know all while they know kitten and some will be happy playing and having fun.

    We want (and Anet wants) more players for GW2 and to keep most of these players, not have them join, dislike the game, uninstall and bury it with a negative review on Steam. We need more people trying and staying in the game than trying and leaving. The game can benefit or not by the Steam release.

    That's all there is to it, it's not hard to understand but it can easily be dismissed as a non possibility.

  • Atomos.7593Atomos.7593 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sentient Anomaly.9473 said:
    At the end of summer, we gave you a first look at the next Guild Wars 2 expansion, Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons. We have been overwhelmed by the response. Delivering this next chapter in the Guild Wars® universe is our highest priority.

    With this in mind, we’ve made the decision to put the Guild Wars 2 Steam release on hold for the time being. Our number one priority right now is crafting Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons with the high quality you expect and deserve. Additionally, we’re full speed ahead on delivering an epic climax to The Icebrood Saga that lives up to (and we hope exceeds) previous Living World finales.

    In the meantime, we’re looking forward to showing you the first trailer for The Icebrood Saga: Champions next Thursday, November 5.

    -The Guild Wars 2 Team

    Personally I don't mind this. I would rather have game content being worked on as much as possible for the benefit of all the players, instead of spending resources on a Steam release that only new accounts will be able to use.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sentient Anomaly.9473 said:
    At the end of summer, we gave you a first look at the next Guild Wars 2 expansion, Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons. We have been overwhelmed by the response. Delivering this next chapter in the Guild Wars® universe is our highest priority.

    With this in mind, we’ve made the decision to put the Guild Wars 2 Steam release on hold for the time being. Our number one priority right now is crafting Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons with the high quality you expect and deserve. Additionally, we’re full speed ahead on delivering an epic climax to The Icebrood Saga that lives up to (and we hope exceeds) previous Living World finales.

    In the meantime, we’re looking forward to showing you the first trailer for The Icebrood Saga: Champions next Thursday, November 5.

    -The Guild Wars 2 Team

    I would highly recommend you alter the text of the OP to directly state matters are on hold. Right now you still have a main paragraph saying it's coming in November, and an "Update" line with a link to today's news about the hold. But that link in no way has any text suggesting a date change, so people who don't follow the link for whatever reason will still think it's set for November.

    I predict .. problems.

  • Naxos.2503Naxos.2503 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2020

    Wise decision, you definitely dont want to show the game as it is right now, the living story 4 maps and Path of fire maps are unplayable. I dont necessarily think you need to -wait- for the End of Dragons expansion to be released to go through with Steam, otherwise the Steam users wont understand what's going on. Unless you plan on releasing the expansion smack dab in the middle of summer 2021, which I advise against, as it seems too short compared to the amount of time the previous expansions took. Take your time, but please, stick the landing, for you as much as us.

  • Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I agree with this decision! It makes me feel better about the games future.

  • DeanBB.4268DeanBB.4268 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Still shows November 2020 on Steam.

    I guess this tells us they are looking to make changes before it releases on Steam. Unless it is just the time needed to correct the lag issues, I suppose.

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  • Anet needs to fix the servers and then release it on Steam. Otherwise it's gonna be a lag fiesta for everyone. So dont expect it to be released there in the near future or like ever.

  • @Sentient Anomaly.9473 said:
    At the end of summer, we gave you a first look at the next Guild Wars 2 expansion, Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons. We have been overwhelmed by the response. Delivering this next chapter in the Guild Wars® universe is our highest priority.

    With this in mind, we’ve made the decision to put the Guild Wars 2 Steam release on hold for the time being. Our number one priority right now is crafting Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons with the high quality you expect and deserve. Additionally, we’re full speed ahead on delivering an epic climax to The Icebrood Saga that lives up to (and we hope exceeds) previous Living World finales.

    In the meantime, we’re looking forward to showing you the first trailer for The Icebrood Saga: Champions next Thursday, November 5.

    -The Guild Wars 2 Team

    I'm okay with this, and hope that this is the real reason for the delay and not "acceptable" lip service. I also hope it means that server and some engine updates may be in the works (come expansion time?) so that new player (Steam, etc.) experience will be improved overall.

    Above all, thank you Guild Wars 2 Team for working hard and sharing your creation with us and hopefully not letting harsh criticism from the community demoralize you. We complain because we care (hopefully)! Looking forward to exploring the future worlds you create. I hope it surprises us and surpasses our expectations! I have loved my time in Tyria so far and hope it only ever gets better.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @firedragon.8953 said:

    @Sentient Anomaly.9473 said:
    At the end of summer, we gave you a first look at the next Guild Wars 2 expansion, Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons. We have been overwhelmed by the response. Delivering this next chapter in the Guild Wars® universe is our highest priority.

    With this in mind, we’ve made the decision to put the Guild Wars 2 Steam release on hold for the time being. Our number one priority right now is crafting Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons with the high quality you expect and deserve. Additionally, we’re full speed ahead on delivering an epic climax to The Icebrood Saga that lives up to (and we hope exceeds) previous Living World finales.

    In the meantime, we’re looking forward to showing you the first trailer for The Icebrood Saga: Champions next Thursday, November 5.

    -The Guild Wars 2 Team

    I'm okay with this, and hope that this is the real reason for the delay and not "acceptable" lip service. I also hope it means that server and some engine updates may be in the works (come expansion time?) so that new player (Steam, etc.) experience will be improved overall.

    Above all, thank you Guild Wars 2 Team for working hard and sharing your creation with us and hopefully not letting harsh criticism from the community demoralize you. We complain because we care (hopefully)! Looking forward to exploring the future worlds you create. I hope it surprises us and surpasses our expectations! I have loved my time in Tyria so far and hope it only ever gets better.

    I tend to agree, if this isn't just lip service from PR then good. Im glad. I was concerned this expansion would suck due to no focus and little to no time to develop it; I still think honestly 2021 is too early. Because they started developing it late and we KNOW for fact it wasn't in development until at the very least the second half of Bjora as thats when the announcement came around; Before then they were transfixed on the saga being all there was. (Living world, never will and never can carry this game. We've done it twice now... I hope they NEVER use it like that again and instead use it to bridge the game between expansions.) That said though... if this is true then I expect BIG things and a BIG expansion with TONS of goodies and toys.

    You're setting the bar yourself A-net, by this potential PR speak... Ill let you have the rope. Just... don't do what you tend to do with it? Ill try and have faith and support you in what ways I can as a customer and someone who has loved tyria since guild wars 1; PLEASE do not F cantha up or botch this expansion. Make it better than the last two and make the specs awesome, make everything awesome. Embrace the dark fantasy roots and just..... for the love of the spirits make a good product, a fun product with fun things that aren't just there for the sake of it. (I am 100% looking at the dead game modes you've abandoned.) ONLY put things in you intend on building upon if they are new systems/new game modes. IF NOT THEN DONT DO IT PLEASE.

  • Personally I am seeing a very concerning trend, alot of vaporware announcements and no follow through. It been over a year since "we will be ready to talk about alliances.... in the upcoming months". The legendary armory was announced over 6 months ago as a upcoming feature to latter be switched to early in development, a month latter. Now the steam release is another example of something being indefinitely put on hold. This make me worried that EoD might also not make it, all we have is a trailer with no ingame footage. Many suspect, including wooden potatoes, that the cgi trailer released in 2019 was the trailer for the canceled mobile game, so there being a trailer does not mean the xpac will come out.

  • ...because the unacceptable server conditions of LWS4 and Icebrood Saga (Bjora Marches is an absolute disgrace) would be amplified times ten with a Steam release. If you think having a 2 second stall every 5-10 seconds was bad, just imagine with a considerable player count spike would do. I legitimately can't even play on Bjora Marches (even though I'm trying to complete achievements) because every event I basically get a server stall every time I get into combat and get my entire health bar dropped because I can't activate my healing ability. Combat in this region consists of my entire ability bar flashing for a solid 2 seconds, then all of them being activated at once as the server catches up with it.

    I'm sure everybody is aware of this, but server conditions are just the worst.

  • Pagan Highlander.5948Pagan Highlander.5948 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 1, 2020

    They have made lots of Announcments to us to get us excited about aspects of the game and then haven't followed through such as, the Alliance system for WvW (3+ years now), making Legendary Armor sets available to all characters on an account, Steam release and other smaller announcements. I'd much rather see them follow through with these first and fix the lag and other issues first. Giving us more skins and shinies is not a solution, they are Band-Aids. Giving us a new expansion without following through on previous announcements is just another band-aid. the imp[ortant issues and problems are still being glossed over or ignored.

  • No issues like that here.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @wrathmagik.3518 said:
    No issues like that here.

    Fantastic job ignoring the recent post about this! Well done!

  • Mortifera.6138Mortifera.6138 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @wrathmagik.3518 said:
    No issues like that here.

    Fantastic job ignoring the recent post about this! Well done!

    Not like it needed another thread.

  • I don't have any of those issues, I even went out of my way one day and checked all the maps that people mentioned to be "laggy and unplayable". Everything runs super smooth anywhere in the game for me. Makes me wonder if some people maybe have bad internet or bad PCs and just blame Arena Net for no reason.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crono.4197 said:
    I don't have any of those issues, I even went out of my way one day and checked all the maps that people mentioned to be "laggy and unplayable". Everything runs super smooth anywhere in the game for me. Makes me wonder if some people maybe have bad internet or bad PCs and just blame Arena Net for no reason.

    Let me guess, you are on NA. The issues are mostly EU related.

  • @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Crono.4197 said:
    I don't have any of those issues, I even went out of my way one day and checked all the maps that people mentioned to be "laggy and unplayable". Everything runs super smooth anywhere in the game for me. Makes me wonder if some people maybe have bad internet or bad PCs and just blame Arena Net for no reason.

    Let me guess, you are on NA. The issues are mostly EU related.

    Im on EU, not a sign of lag anywhere, checked all maps, hence it is issue on users end rather than datacenter fault.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cthulhu.1432 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Crono.4197 said:
    I don't have any of those issues, I even went out of my way one day and checked all the maps that people mentioned to be "laggy and unplayable". Everything runs super smooth anywhere in the game for me. Makes me wonder if some people maybe have bad internet or bad PCs and just blame Arena Net for no reason.

    Let me guess, you are on NA. The issues are mostly EU related.

    Im on EU, not a sign of lag anywhere, checked all maps, hence it is issue on users end rather than datacenter fault.

    In that case, stay on the maps longer. I have never had issues in the 8 years I've played and then suddenly for the last 1.5 years some maps were unplayable. Thunderhead Keep was especially bad.

    The assumption it's a datacenter is flawed by the simple premise that this issue is very widespread and affects a lot of players who never had issues before. The far more likely assumption here is your "test" was far to limited and you are drawing subjective conclusions. Especially since the developers have acknowledge the performance issues.

  • @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Cthulhu.1432 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Crono.4197 said:
    I don't have any of those issues, I even went out of my way one day and checked all the maps that people mentioned to be "laggy and unplayable". Everything runs super smooth anywhere in the game for me. Makes me wonder if some people maybe have bad internet or bad PCs and just blame Arena Net for no reason.

    Let me guess, you are on NA. The issues are mostly EU related.

    Im on EU, not a sign of lag anywhere, checked all maps, hence it is issue on users end rather than datacenter fault.

    In that case, stay on the maps longer. I have never had issues in the 8 years I've played and then suddenly for the last 1.5 years some maps were unplayable. Thunderhead Keep was especially bad.

    The assumption it's a datacenter is flawed by the simple premise that this issue is very widespread and affects a lot of players who never had issues before. The far more likely assumption here is your "test" was far to limited and you are drawing subjective conclusions. Especially since the developers have acknowledge the performance issues.

    I did - spent minimum 20 mins on each map, as I've had to get Skyscale for my GF. Not a slightest lag anywhere to be found.