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Zychuu.7294Zychuu.7294 Member ✭✭✭

So yeah. I'm VERY late to the party. I has been playing GW2 for like 2 years and only now I'm thinking about trying to get into pvp, directly into ranked most likely. I only played some unranked games when I started to I get a very basic understanding of the game mode, and that's it. I'm not asking whether it is worth to get into pvp, but if it's is possible, or how hard it is. I've seen this forum being 50% complaining that the mode is dead, and 50% complaining that any given class is OP and needs a buff at the same time, yet still I want to try with a fresh mind of a new player.

The game is quite old and probably a lot of people playing ranked modes are people with a lot of experience I obviously lack, and unless I'll get stuck in entry lvl rank I will inevitably meet some them. My question is how do I get a grasp how the pvp meta works? I mean... I could just pick a metabattle build and try to yolo it, but I think that I wouldn't be improving to much that way. Are there any resources or things I need to know about pvp world, other classes, how to fight them I will have to learn on my own, or just playing the game should be good enough over time? I ask this as I have some experience in fighting games, where it is very common to just 'lab' everything about both your character and every character you might have to play against, so I wonder how to apply similar things in MMO team pvp game.

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  • vorpal.1497vorpal.1497 Member ✭✭✭

    What a pointless question. The only people who are capable of answering are people who began pvp in 2020 and got gud? In which case the answer to your question is yes as long as one person has done so

  • Ouk.5914Ouk.5914 Member ✭✭✭

    no. Simply No is the actual answer to your question.

    IF you really want a full detail as to why feel free to msg me.

  • Oh and as far as the strategy/build - there's so many videos, you can figure it out from those. From talking about rotation to roles to builds, it's pretty easy to get yourself up to speed and then play around with the rest. Again, as an entry level fun purpose.

  • Yes, it is absolutely very possible to get into GW2 PvP even in 2020. Depending on your experience witch Gw2 combat and pvp in general you can get into it quite fast.

    Its hard to put a number on the hours it will take. That can differ greatly depending on how efficent you practise, how much you already know, your learning capacity etc.
    And especially at what level you say that you are are in an acceptable state.
    If you have a fighting game background you should be fine and be able to pick it up like any other fighting game.

    The main difference would be that Gw2 is not really combo oriented and you can run away and camp relatively unresticted. The art of running away is actually a skill you need as staying alive is more important than getting kills in certain situations. You might want to practise that in wvw or in unranked as ppl will get super mad at you should you "kite" them over the whole map for some sightseeing they didnt know they signed up for. 😂

    There are some good videos on Youtbe (Mighty Teepot made one in spring if you dont mind a british accent 😁) for complete beginners if you want to get started and just hopp in.
    As in a lot of PvP games Knowledge is power, knowing exactly what your opponent can and cannot do might arguably be more important than knowing what your class can and cannot do.
    Therfore you have to learn up to 8 classes on a basic level in order to play PvP properly. (then again this is developrd naturally over time. Just ask your duell partners what you can do better or how they killed you)

    Each class has certain tricks you can train on your own, against NPC and Golems. your sustain rotation can be trained against the practise Lord in HotM.
    and the next best thing is the 1v1 arenas (there arent always opponents there though)

    The freeforall Arena in HotM is a little inconistent because there are a lot of ppl on the map. Ther is more skillag and things like stealth are extra good there becaue the character modell will not load in time and therefore you do not see animations etc.

    And of course you can visit empty servers to familiarise yourself with all the maps. There are also various no port spots and shortcuts (jumps) you can use to kite. if you watch for example valluns videos you know a lot of them from just a few games.
    idk if ther is a list or a guide to all the maps somewhere xd.

    Finally, I want to say that there is a lack of ppl that go into 1v1 arenas. If you are looking to play hardcore you will have to play unranked or ranked to get practise.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sorry for the negative responds. A lot of frustration has grown in the PVP community. On the other hand, good to read some optimistic ones like @QuirkyDM.2351 and @Alabastrum.9361!

    So you specifically do not want to know "whether it is worth it". I would still recommend it, but give you some prior warnings (don't tryhard, expect bad people getting carried etc.). You asked only as to whether it is still porrible.

    And here I have to say: It definitely is. GW2 is one of/the most beginner friendly MMO for PVP I know. No need to farm armor, no builds, no skills. Just create a char, jump into PVP and have fun. Immediately, getting started is no issue. This is one major advantage, which also lets you experience every class quickly and easily, which in turn helps with finding enjoyable classes/builds and how to fight others.

    Of course you will need to get used to the pace from long time players, learn rotations and which skill looks how and predict maneuvers. As was mentioned already, watching some vids and (sometimes) reading the chat for suggestions will help.

    Ranked is actually better to learn than unranked: While both share basically the same matchmaker, unranked is much less strict with rating differences. In unranked it might happen that you play with and against top players even in your first games (in bad cases/off-hours). In ranked you quickly reach your average ranking, get better matchs and can still climb slowly when you get better. There will still be unfair matches, but unranked is much more unreliable.

    But the accessability is still the main advantage in GW2 PVP. So there is no real drawback if you just give it a try! :smile:
    (Well. Apart from toxicity, but I see more and more people being quite positive. Some players are still simply... well... behaving like children, including top players.)

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2020

    It would be better if you stick to unranked for a bit. Play something you like. When you feel confident that you can do okay, then consider ranked. I would generally say, if you cannot win half the games you play, it is not wise to play ranked.

  • There is no problem, u should start pvp but try unranked until you are sure you know the game, then go for ranked.

  • It is fully possible to get into sPvP - at any point in time in GW2. The game mode is highly accessible - and as long as you ignore (or preferably block) people as SOON as they start to get salty/toxic, you'll have an excellent time (key point DO NOT engage with toxic people. Block, report if you feel it is worth reporting, and move on with your day).

    I'd also recommend finding a chill (and positive) sPvP guild (shameless plug for the guild I'm in, PM me in game if you are ever interested). Having a consistent community that you know if nice to turn to is always great. Guilds can also help you get into the game, provide you with partners to que with, help you with builds, all that good stuff. (Another key point - if the guild is too try-hard, doesn't help you out, mocks you for needing help, etc. - they aren't worth joining).

    There is a vocal minority (the ones who aren't playing and are too busy on the forums and Mists map chat talking #2) who tries to dissuade people from joining PvP and are generally pretty toxic. Ignore them. Block and move on, they aren't worth engaging with either. Most people are out there having fun in their matches.

    As far as how the meta works, builds are pretty much balanced at the moment. You've got support builds, condition builds, power builds. . .most builds tend to have a few forms of CC in them - which is incredibly useful in team fights. To make a build, I usually start with what I had in PvE then tweak it slowly as I notice what I need in PvP. You can also start with a metabattle build and then slowly tweak it depending on what you feel like you need to survive.

    Another thing to learn (just as important as your build) is rotation. Most ranked and tournament PvP is a point capture mode. Learning which points to go to and when is invaluable. For that, just look up PvP point rotations on google or play for a bit until you get a feel for it.

    Let me know if you ever need assistance getting into it (or want a fun guild to play with, second shameless plug)! There are also some good youtube videos out there. Just remember that there is a learning curve - don't get discouraged if you lose. Figure out what you could do to get better and try again.

    A good exercise to do is to always analyze what you did wrong after a match that you lose. It helps you focus on how to improve - rather than lamenting the fact that you lost. Just my 2 cents on that though.

    Otherwise, yeah! 2020, 2021, 2022, etcetera - it is always possible to get into sPvP! There are plenty of people willing to help out.

    Good luck, and I hope you enjoy yourself!

    Do you want a balanced GW2? Then you are obliged to unironically agree with this suggestion!

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2020

    It's always possible to get into PvP.
    However, it's a clown show at almost every skill level.
    I don't understand why anyone would want to put effort into it, rather than just doing it for dailies and league rewards.

  • I wouldn't advise it.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zychuu.7294 said:
    (...) I'm not asking whether it is worth to get into pvp, but if it's is possible, or how hard it is. (...)

    Why do people skip what you actually wrote?

    I stand to my word, go ranked. The matchmaker gives much closer games according to your skill level after very few games played. That's how GLICKO works.

  • Sifu.9745Sifu.9745 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2020

    Unranked is ok, a lot of fun actually. Not that hard, but still much harder than World of Warcraft PvP imo. Sometimes you get destroyed in 3 seconds by super skilled players/teams, but most of the time is pretty fine. Can't comment on ranked.

  • OutOfOrder.3719OutOfOrder.3719 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2020

    Yes it’s definitely possible. But please do a little research and use actual PvP builds from metabattle or godsofPvP dot com.

    Over 50% of the player base doesn’t even use these builds and play the exact same build they use in PvE.

    So I would say jump right in with a build from either those websites and you will already be in gold 1-2 And better than half of the current community.

    I think most competitive players only want you to do your best and play the entire match. Believe me, there are lots of cry babies that AFK as soon as they lose 1 fight.

    If I had to choose, I would rather have some one that’s brand new to the game rather than one of these incompetent players that just AFK for no reason. It’s entirely possible to come back from a game where you are behind 100 points and Win !

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2020

    theres no reason to take gw2 pvp seriously. either make a semi try hard build that is fun and similar to a meta build, or a meme build that is funner and just mess around. remember to ignore the people that yell at their team to try harder, they are living in an alternate reality and its pointless to try and communicate with them unless you want to troll. somehow those can travel through spacetime.

    Te lazla otstara.

  • asterix.9614asterix.9614 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes you can, I don't know why so many people are being kitten bags. Although I guess we are talking about pvp, anyway just visit metabattle.com for the builds and practice in unranked and away you go. Have fun mate.

  • I don't recommend Ranked, but if everything else sounds boring to you, and you for sure want to play it here's a quick guide:
    Step 1) I personally recommend an item called [Flask of Blood Whiskey] it's about 20 copper on the TP. Trust me, you're going to need it.

    Step 2) Look up some videos, posts, etc on how to play your role in conquest. There are roles in this game regardless of what people say(Roamer, Side-noder, Support, DPS.)
    You want to fit your role well to avoid being the roamer 1v1ing a bunker on home for 15 minutes, or the support doing the same on an enemy node while not doing any supporting. You'll also want to know how to properly play conquest.

    Step 3) Metabattle and GodsofPvp are good sources for the meta builds, but you don't have to follow that word for word. The Meta is more like guidelines than actual rules, and its up to you whether or not you want to copy it, incorporate some elements into your build, or create your own thing entirely. Just remember that imagination is a mixed blessing.

    Step 4) After your builds are set, experiment with classes in Unranked until you find the ones you like the most because those are probably the ones you'll be playing in Ranked I imagine. By this point you should have a fair amount of experience from videos and fighting other classes in Unranked to understand how to fight what.

    Step 5[Optional]) DuoQ. If you want to play Ranked to win, then DuoQ. Make up for unfair matchmaking and lack of skill with the ultimate metagaming crutch. DuoQ.
    If you enjoy things such as:
    •Insisting on bowling with bumpers when everyone else chooses gutters
    •Or... Being an adult and putting in way too much effort into Laser tag at your friend's 8 year old son's birthday party
    Then DuoQ might be right for you, and you can enter Ranked. Otherwise move on to step 6.

    Step 6) Enter Ranked and 🙏
    🙏 That the matchmaker didn't stick you with bots, afks, or dc's
    🙏 That the matchmaker didn't put a high-level DuoQ on the other team, because; after 10 minutes of not being able to find any others, you're a real target for them. And there are very few others for them to contend with.
    🙏 That you didn't finally find a good game that was reaaaaally close and reaaaaally fun, only to have it ruined by getting +7 or -21 rating for it. Nothing says "gg close" like having to win 3 more games just like it to make up for losing 1.

    Hope this helped. Good luck, namaste, and have fun!

    Ranked DuoQ 😡👉🚪
    Patch-culture is awful
    Nerfs should be reserved for extreme cases and only done in creative ways that make the game more interesting to play and watch.

  • Avatar.3568Avatar.3568 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Pvp is super fun, I would not recommend this forum to see how pvp is, there are many people with passion for pvp, but most are not looking into the forum, because this is the biggest clown Fiesta in pvp.

    It's a super fun game mode, we're you can get to your limits, Try metabattle, goddsofppv builds, try your own ideas, mess with things arround, you are not bound to such meta stuff as it is in raids, people come sometimes up with crazy wild builds and ideas, and it can work (if you are able to play it) play ranked games when you are able to, don't mind to your rank to much, mostly its deserved but if you are now silver or gold or Plat is not necessary, just have fun.

    The biggest thing in this game is EU and NA server, na has not that much people Than eu. Matchmaking could go pretty weird (sometimes on eu too) also bots, toxicity and hackers (that's a really rare thing) are more on Na present than on eu

    BUT on na is way more build diversity (probably because less good people.

    Try it out have fun, and maybe look at the "welcome to pvp" discord it's a pretty friendly and helpful discord

  • Rukia.4802Rukia.4802 Member ✭✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:
    It would be better if you stick to unranked for a bit. Play something you like. When you feel confident that you can do okay, then consider ranked. I would generally say, if you cannot win half the games you play, it is not wise to play ranked.

    Unranked will teach you literally nothing, worst suggestion ever lol

    Play rank and don't take the game seriously at all or you will end up like the rest of us, jaded and full of hate.

  • All this talk about ranked vs. unranked- you have to play unranked for 50+ games before you hit ranked anyway. By then you should know what to expect. If you don't like the game mode by then, I don't think ranked will make it any better.

    (minor correction to above post- I guess I'm silver 1, not silver 3? I'm closer to gold than bronze- still makes me bad, just didn't know the nomenclature)

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    if not the hackers and bots.. ranked pvp could be such a fun game mode.. sadly its totally filled and ruined by hackers and bots i enjoy unranked alot more and wvw..

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yes

    You can even get good in a short period of time

    I think your main go right now is getting close to 1300 rating to stay away from toxic players and bots

    As soon as i get home I'll post things i used to get there and try to gather basic information about the game mode that is all scattered throught forums

  • Yes it is possible. No it is not recommended.

    If you just want to try something that plays differently than pve then you might have some fun. If you are looking for some competitive gameplay, or are trying to become a more skilled player then you will almost certainly get very frustrated and disappointed.

  • Loboling.5293Loboling.5293 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 1, 2020

    Yes, pvp is more fun at lower tiers anyway. Some people get really triggered in Plat+. Afking games on one lost mid fight, etc. But if you have a good attitude, and enjoy the mechanics, it's quite fun.

    I'm less enthralled than I was in the past, due to certain class mechanics being less enjoyable, and balance issues, and most of all, that I've been playing for almost 8 years. So I'm a bit tired. I certainly don't grind seasons anymore. Still only 4 games into placement, but having fun each time I feel like hoping on.

    Don't be discouraged by vocal complainers. The mode is not in as good shape as it once was, but if you're a total noob, it's really fun to see what works and what doesn't.

    Important Tips:
    -Pay a lot of attention to the minimap. You should generally know where all 5 enemies are at all times, same with your allies obviously, but that's easier. Enemies appear on the minimap when they are near your allies. Count them out and keep track. It'll change everything once you get the habbit down.
    -Avoid outnumbered fights. While you're learning, lean heavily on this basic concept of strategy. Try to outnumber your enemy, but never fight when you're outnumbered. Check the minimap and meet back up with your teamates.
    -On respawn (outside of certain roaming classes like thief) head to your home base before heading to the mid fight. You can avoid this rotation if you have a solid position for all 5 enemies, but if you don't see one, check your home base and make sure it's not being capped.
    -If the game gets weird, where you have an enemy/ies, always hitting your home and camping it, it's okay to abandon it until the enemy leaves it. Usually these enemies have builds tailored to fight outnumbered, and will force more than 1 player back to defend. In these cases, it's better to outnumber the rest of the map and ignore these people. But it's easier said than done.
    -Learn defensive rotations and positions where you can get away from your enemy. (Some places where people can't teleport to, etc exist on the map, and will serve as places you can escape to in a pinch.
    -Rotations are more important than just about anything. You'll need many games to get used to making the 'right' decision, but of course we all make mistakes. Do I decap far or help mid? In time, it'll become clear.

    Good luck, and I hope you enjoy yourself. I'm hoping for balance changes one day, and that the next round of elite specs don't make things even worse, but honeslty, as far as MMO's go, the pvp in this game is still good. I usually make my own builds, as you learn better that way, as you tweak it, but you can visit metabattle to get started on viable builds.

  • Flumek.9043Flumek.9043 Member ✭✭✭

    Ofc you can.

    You can get basically anything to like top100 if youre willing to learn.

    The only thing you cant get is the tournament prizes with organized teams, there you go against +5 years veterans, with talent and skrim practice.

    yes, youll lose and be called trash a lot, but you got a lot of guides now so you can learn faster if you like the challenge.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'll try to bring you things that worked for me when I was silver, after this i almost instantly went from silver 3 to gold 2.

    https://www.godsofpvp.net/ Go to guides section and read it all, very helpful when you learning game basics

    Those two vídeos are like a must watch for begginers

    try to understand what role you playing and where i should be in the map most time, this "detail" took me from silver 3 to gold 2 in like a week, at the time I was playing defense spellbreaker which is a duelist, but i would always go mid, had all my stunbreaks eaten in 2 secs and die, when i learned i should be 1v1 most time i just started winning 70% of my games till i reached gold 2.

    Shorts was also very important to my evolution at the time https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe9CyX6v4tsPl0nde0Mn43g
    he has a lost of educational content and he also streams and he is willing to answer questions most of the time

    one of the most important steps is to find ppl that play the class you playing and are better than you

    https://metabattle.com/wiki/Conquest

    most builds here have a streamer suggestion somewhere in the page

    watch streams is better than watch videos, cuz videos are mostly highlights

    streamers are usually friendly to questions

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2, 2020

    If yu are going in with the mindset of just dipping yur toes, go for it.
    It can even be fun.

    If yu are going in trying to be top 100, best players, and gain recognition, give up now.
    It's not worth the headache trying to climb, no matter how yu good yu are.

    The game just becomes unenjoyable once yu start trying hard to win and climb.
    Then we have Anet's balance strategy of, well, not balancing anything which adds another layer of frustration.

    And then we have bots. And hackers. And win traders.

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • @Zychuu.7294 said:
    So yeah. I'm VERY late to the party. I has been playing GW2 for like 2 years and only now I'm thinking about trying to get into pvp, directly into ranked most likely. I only played some unranked games when I started to I get a very basic understanding of the game mode, and that's it. I'm not asking whether it is worth to get into pvp, but if it's is possible, or how hard it is. I've seen this forum being 50% complaining that the mode is dead, and 50% complaining that any given class is OP and needs a buff at the same time, yet still I want to try with a fresh mind of a new player.

    The game is quite old and probably a lot of people playing ranked modes are people with a lot of experience I obviously lack, and unless I'll get stuck in entry lvl rank I will inevitably meet some them. My question is how do I get a grasp how the pvp meta works? I mean... I could just pick a metabattle build and try to yolo it, but I think that I wouldn't be improving to much that way. Are there any resources or things I need to know about pvp world, other classes, how to fight them I will have to learn on my own, or just playing the game should be good enough over time? I ask this as I have some experience in fighting games, where it is very common to just 'lab' everything about both your character and every character you might have to play against, so I wonder how to apply similar things in MMO team pvp game.

    It's perfectly okay to get into PvP. Anyone who has played a 1v1 game like RTS or fighting games will have no problem as they're used to training. Most of the people you see complaining in this thread don't put in any effort and then complain when they lose so just ignore them.

    Try things out and learn from your mistakes. Copying a meta build will be the slowest method for learning. After a few weeks you'll be better than the majority of players if you actually try.

    Majority of players just play and don't know what abilities from other classes do. If you want to learn them all you just need a single character slot. Create a new character, mess around in unranked and then delete it to create a new character.

  • Marxx.5021Marxx.5021 Member ✭✭✭

    As a starter you wont make it into platinum I think. Anything bellow (and even in plat sometimes) it is a toxic clown fiesta full of AFK and bot like players.

  • Zychuu.7294Zychuu.7294 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 13, 2020

    Eeeh, small update.

    I played some ranked. Got placed at the very beginning of Gold1. Finished around a 100 games fluctuating around that silver-gold border back and forth with a win ratio of about 50% which seems fair enough. Got some gold and shards and reward track stuff on the way. It wasn't that much compared to other activities in game, but it was still cool and at least something more compared to for example WvW, other PvP mode in te game.

    ...BUT!

    Yeah. The mode feels just soo... soulless. Best you can get is people just doing what they can in silence. Worst you will get a crykids who flame right after 1st interaction or just go afk after one bad teamfight. With a bunch of bots wandering the map pointlessly doing hardly anything sprinkled in the middle. Yeah. I don't care whether "it gets better" or worse if I were to climb further. It doesn't seem worth it if Anet doesn't care enough to properly punish both bots and afks.

    I guess I'll just keep progressing daily The Ascension achievements because that's like the only interesting thing you can get from pvp which takes more that a lot of direct grind I will be able to do when I feel like it. Other than that, the gamemode seems neglected and because of that doesn't seem worth the hassle on it's own. Unfortunate, I like pvp modes in online games, but I guess Gw2 is not the game I'm looking for. Especially considering that WvW is also not really in a good shape for similar neglection reasons.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Kind of agree with your feeling here. Few people communicate openly and positively at the same time. It happens, but very very rarely. You can of course always take the first steps and say hello, explain some short strategies or ideas and throw in some jokes here and there. I try that when I am in the mood - not saying people join in very often, but sometimes someone does. :tongue:

    You are perfectly correct in your assumption about a neglected gamemode of course. Anet refuses to promote positivety, frustrates many long term players with a lack of balance patches and generally does a lot of - yes, I am that strict - bad decisions changewise. Hardly any really new maps and modes add up to that.

    Try to have fun, take it easy and just do dailies. :smile: The fights can be fun as long as you don't take it too seriously and you will have cases of nice matches with happy teammates.

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I got into sPvP this year because of the Legendary Amulet Transcendence. I had the worst attitude going in because I was angry at the fact I had to PvP to get the amulet. I quickly realized how much I enjoyed the game mode and now have stayed long past getting my amulet.

    I started out at rank 1 and now I'm 52. I quickly became a G3 to P1 player but mostly G3. Sure I get tilted here and there mostly because of AFKers but most times I can just focus on getting better myself. You can only control yourself. One thing I do suggest is block anyone that has an overly negative attitude towards anyone. I figure its just a matter of time before they turn their aggressiveness towards you.

    But to answer the original question. Yes you can if you go into it with an open mind and know that you will lose and it is okay to do so. Once you get better the wins will come.

                                                              There is a 50% chance you will not agree with me and a 50% chance I will not agree with you
    
  • Nilkemia.8507Nilkemia.8507 Member ✭✭✭

    Is it possible? Yes. Is it fun or worthwhile? No.

  • @Happy Yes.1453 said:
    do yourself a big favor and don't start gw2 pvp

    @Happy Yes.1453 said:
    do yourself a big favor and don't start gw2 pvp

    Yeah haha. Is Never to late but is not good so i would say dont do it.