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  • Fuchslein.8639Fuchslein.8639 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:
    How can you farm transmutation charges in PVE in the same mass like PVP or WVW without spending gems or gold?

    The same way WvW players farm gifts of Maguuma, gifts of exploration, play the mode.

    But how do I play PVE mode and farm as many transmutation charges as I would if I farmed WVW afk?
    There are only a limited number of maps you can explore per character.

    Or is this another, boo you must play all game modes otherwise you are not worthy.
    Sure, I like to AFK farm wvw. It's anyway so sparsely populated that I no longer take away anyone's place :).
    Of course it's a pity for the few who still take WVW seriously, if they have a bunch of people who only do the most necessary and 80% of the time just stand around. But in the forum you get to hear again and again, play wvw x).

    Yes. You need to be in WvW or sPvP. But the Neat thing is, you get them JUST FROM LOGGING ON.

    But of course you can also buy them.

    See? Four easy sources of getting them. In fact, I’d love to be able to sell the 3000+ ones I have!

    Making trans-charges tradable would be a dream. Know a bunch of people who have so many because they hardly use them while someone like me, if the opportunity exists 100 per week is nothing ...
    I would also be someone who would actually buy more Gem-store skins if I could change them like I like.
    But buying something to use something already purchased? Or play modies that I find annoying for something exential in fashion-wars?
    Nah~, thanks no.
    And because I know that people would go back to it. I don't care how wvw or pvpler get their stuff. Because of me they can get everything you get in pve in their modies. I hate these exhausting comparisons like taking a lollipop away from a child ...

  • Just like the real world, it takes effort, money and time to look beautiful.

    I used to loathe transmutation charges as well, but then I just logged in enough that I guess the problem resolved itself, since I generally stick with a look I like for a while. If I was a heavy transmutation user, I guess I would be forced to fill Anets coffers.

    I do however wish that we could temporarily change our character appearance for like one hour before we commit to using a cosmetic kit, or can revert/refund changes within 24 hours or something. As a norn, I had some clipping issues on certain things that I only noticed once I started playing again...very annoying and also costs money/gold. The preview window doesn't really allow a decent preview.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    @Reaper X.6305 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Reaper X.6305 said:
    Please remove the need to use transmutation charges to change your gear's appearance, and put in-game barber shops in all of the capitol cities so that we can change our hair! It would be such a gesture of good will towards your player base. We all know Fashion Wars is a big selling point of this game, so please don't restrict it!

    For a buy-to-play game with no pay-to-win, GW2 garners it's sustenance from cosmetic-only items.

    As such, doesn't it behoove the company to leave them as-is?

    No. It doesn't. They probably make most of their gem store money off of the gem to gold conversion anyway.

    ,

    @Lonami.2987 said:

    @Reaper X.6305 said:
    Please remove the need to use transmutation charges to change your gear's appearance, and put in-game barber shops in all of the capitol cities so that we can change our hair! It would be such a gesture of good will towards your player base. We all know Fashion Wars is a big selling point of this game, so please don't restrict it! Just have it cost silver in game if it must cost something. You can make up for the 'lost revenue' that this good will gesture would cause by adding other customization things, like player housing and furniture! You'll probably get a ton of good press (which means new players) for this move too. Please ANet, it's the right thing to do!

    100% agree, transmutation charges hurt their backline, people would purchase more gem store skins if they were easier to use.

    Also, hairstyles would make more money if they were free to apply, but also sold individually in the gem store, just as weapon and armor skins.

    ITT: people try to push their opinions by pretending they have access to the information they very clearly don't have access to.
    Also the infamous "give me more free stuff and then I'll start spending more money!" -no, you won't :lol:

    All I can say is that not ONCE have I ever had any problem with existance of transmutation charges or hairstyle kits. This is a made up problem pushed by forced comparison to games with monthly fees by people that don't want to pay for anything in the game. Like someone said earlier in this thread: if you like monthly sub so much, then spend money on gems monthly and you'll be stacked.
    ...or just play the game and you'll be stacked anyways.

  • Loboling.5293Loboling.5293 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    As someone who has somehow collected hundreds of hair style change kits without even trying since I started playing. I say no.

    Now if be very happy if they released more hairstyles though.

    Edit: Impossible to run out of transmutation charges. The amount rises every time I play.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:
    How can you farm transmutation charges in PVE in the same mass like PVP or WVW without spending gems or gold?

    The same way WvW players farm gifts of Maguuma, gifts of exploration, play the mode.

    But how do I play PVE mode and farm as many transmutation charges as I would if I farmed WVW afk?
    There are only a limited number of maps you can explore per character.

    Or is this another, boo you must play all game modes otherwise you are not worthy.
    Sure, I like to AFK farm wvw. It's anyway so sparsely populated that I no longer take away anyone's place :).
    Of course it's a pity for the few who still take WVW seriously, if they have a bunch of people who only do the most necessary and 80% of the time just stand around. But in the forum you get to hear again and again, play wvw x).

    Yes. You need to be in WvW or sPvP. But the Neat thing is, you get them JUST FROM LOGGING ON.

    But of course you can also buy them.

    See? Four easy sources of getting them. In fact, I’d love to be able to sell the 3000+ ones I have!

    . I hate these exhausting comparisons like taking a lollipop away from a child ...

    But yet, expecting a business to give away something they have successfully monetized isn’t childish?

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • @kharmin.7683 said:
    WoW is, what, $15/month? GW2 is $0/month. Pony up the $15/month and buy all of the transmutations and hair style kits you can each month. That way, GW2 would be like WoW.

    And this is exactly why I have no problem spending 10-20$ a month on gems / BLK's.

  • Touchme.1097Touchme.1097 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    Transmutation charges are easy to get, I never run out of them. You can buy them with a certain currency from the festive merchants, you get them from black lion chests, map completion. You can just make a new character and map completion with it to farm keys and T charges. The only thing I consider worthy of review is the expensive cost of the total makeover kit and name change contracts which should be half the price to be reasonable for what they do.

  • Fuchslein.8639Fuchslein.8639 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:
    How can you farm transmutation charges in PVE in the same mass like PVP or WVW without spending gems or gold?

    The same way WvW players farm gifts of Maguuma, gifts of exploration, play the mode.

    But how do I play PVE mode and farm as many transmutation charges as I would if I farmed WVW afk?
    There are only a limited number of maps you can explore per character.

    Or is this another, boo you must play all game modes otherwise you are not worthy.
    Sure, I like to AFK farm wvw. It's anyway so sparsely populated that I no longer take away anyone's place :).
    Of course it's a pity for the few who still take WVW seriously, if they have a bunch of people who only do the most necessary and 80% of the time just stand around. But in the forum you get to hear again and again, play wvw x).

    Yes. You need to be in WvW or sPvP. But the Neat thing is, you get them JUST FROM LOGGING ON.

    But of course you can also buy them.

    See? Four easy sources of getting them. In fact, I’d love to be able to sell the 3000+ ones I have!

    . I hate these exhausting comparisons like taking a lollipop away from a child ...

    But yet, expecting a business to give away something they have successfully monetized isn’t childish?

    Where did I say that I agree with the TE?
    I just wanted to know if there are other ways to get trans-charts in PVE, which I did not know yet.
    Since I then only got the usual p-a answers, I gave my usual p-a answer.

    I'm sorry I asked a question and didn't write directly what I think about the topic and whose side I'm on and didn't make a p-a comment to the te to show that I'm not on his side to show everyone that I just asked a simple question.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    As a PVE player, you can get transumatation charges using festival currencies, Candy Corn (Mad King), Snowflakes (Wintersday), Jorbreaker (Dragonbash), Festival Tokens (Festival of Four Winds), Bauble Bubble (Super Adventure Box) and as of 2021, Essence of Luck (Lunar New Year)
    All of them currencies you can actually farm in the game by playing PVE. No need to complete maps if you don't want, no need to play PVP or WVW if you don't want.

    Other sources:
    You get 3 every 28 days from the Login Rewards, 5 as a Common drop in Black Lion Chests, 1 randomly chosen from the 500 AP achievement chests, up to 2 from the Large Achievement Chests (every 1000 AP) and up to 3 from the Heavy Achievement Chests (every 2500 AP)

    Edit: You can also get them from Black Lion Statuettes, which are guaranteed drops from the Black Lion Chests.

    There are a LOT of sources for them.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Can't you also get them using Black Lion statuettes?

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Reaper X.6305 said:
    Please remove the need to use transmutation charges to change your gear's appearance, and put in-game barber shops in all of the capitol cities so that we can change our hair!

    1. Only if I get compensated for my ~4,000 Transmutation Charges!
    2. There are "barbers" in each VIP area.
  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    @kharmin.7683 said:
    Can't you also get them using Black Lion statuettes?

    Right! There are those too. Added them to the post.

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    Also the infamous "give me more free stuff and then I'll start spending more money!" -no, you won't :lol:

    100% agree. Many businesses find this out the hard way.

    Yes, businesses can run promotional giveaways (free stuff) or loss leaders (cheap stuff) to successfully increase sales of another profitable product, but that only works when (1) you have a good idea of what motivates purchases and (2) your free/cheap stuff properly plugs into those motivations. I have a hard time believing that making transmutes completely free will encourage greater gem store skin purchases. IMO if you like a skin enough to buy it, chances are you'll get it even if you only get one free application of it.

    But more importantly, transmutation charges are already essentially free. You don't have to be a no-lifer to rack up double digits of those things on a fairly regular basis.

    As for the barbershop idea, that would just be a pure loss, and nothing OP (and like minded people) have said here would replace that.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:
    How can you farm transmutation charges in PVE in the same mass like PVP or WVW without spending gems or gold?

    Map completion offers a guaranteed transmutation charge any time you do not get a BL Key. There are a number of maps in this game that can be completed in less than 15 minutes.
    Roll alt, tome alt to 80 and complete the following maps:
    Black Citadel
    The Grove
    Divnity's Reach
    Rata Sum
    Hoelbrak
    Bloodstone Fen
    Silverwastes (depends on meta for the last HP)
    Dry Top (may depend on events for speed run)
    Lion's Arch
    Southsun Cove
    Drizzlewood
    Dragonfall
    If you are an efficient killer and can complete the hearts quickly add:
    Ember Bay
    Siren's Landing
    Lake Doric
    Sandswept Isles

    Then Delete the Alt and start again.
    This is faster than the rate at which you earn them in WvW/PvP..

    Or just do the 5 race cities and Lion's Arch, in which case you don't need to get any levels at all. But in reality, if you don't change your looks everyday you will get enough from just playing. I mean, even daily login rewards produce quite a number of those.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • @kharmin.7683 said:
    WoW is, what, $15/month? GW2 is $0/month. Pony up the $15/month and buy all of the transmutations and hair style kits you can each month. That way, GW2 would be like WoW.

    Perfect!
    and I also prefer the gw2 business model

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    if you don't change your looks everyday you will get enough from just playing. I mean, even daily login rewards produce quite a number of those.

    This may be true for you.
    Different people interface with this system in different ways. I play a lot of alts, I have both gear loadouts filled on most of them. When I go through periods where I am not playing WvW or doing a lot of map completes I start running out. I currently have less than a dozen charges despite leveraging things like festival vendors.
    I assure you the ones gained from login rewards and "just by playing" do not always meet my personal needs. I am not nearly the altoholic that some are, and I do not change my appearance as often as many do.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    if you don't change your looks everyday you will get enough from just playing. I mean, even daily login rewards produce quite a number of those.

    This may be true for you.
    Different people interface with this system in different ways. I play a lot of alts, I have both gear loadouts filled on most of them. When I go through periods where I am not playing WvW or doing a lot of map completes I start running out. I currently have less than a dozen charges despite leveraging things like festival vendors.
    I assure you the ones gained from login rewards and "just by playing" do not always meet my personal needs. I am not nearly the altoholic that some are, and I do not change my appearance as often as many do.

    I on the other hand am an altoholic, like to keep my looks updated, don't WvW or SPvP, and don't specifically farm for transmutation charges. And yet i have close to 1k of them.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • wilykcat.5864wilykcat.5864 Member ✭✭✭

    I agree. It should get replaced with a in game barber shop for character customization changes such as hair, hair color, face, etc. Like how they have one in warcraft but make it only cost silver and copper. Transmog charges should go entirely.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @wilykcat.5864 said:
    I agree. It should get replaced with a in game barber shop for character customization changes such as hair, hair color, face, etc. Like how they have one in warcraft but make it only cost silver and copper. Transmog charges should go entirely.

    To use the player only have to pay 15 dollars a month.
    Pretty sure Anet would welcome that income.

    I dont mind as long as I dont have to pay if I dont use it.

  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Reaper X.6305 said:
    Please remove the need to use transmutation charges to change your gear's appearance, and put in-game barber shops in all of the capitol cities so that we can change our hair! It would be such a gesture of good will towards your player base. We all know Fashion Wars is a big selling point of this game, so please don't restrict it! Just have it cost silver in game if it must cost something. You can make up for the 'lost revenue' that this good will gesture would cause by adding other customization things, like player housing and furniture! You'll probably get a ton of good press (which means new players) for this move too. Please ANet, it's the right thing to do!

    How 'bout no.

    Hate Is Fuel.

  • Kiba.9743Kiba.9743 Member ✭✭
    edited February 18, 2021

    I think it is more than fair the way it is now. I do not think they should be free. For $0/per month to play, it is more than reasonable. WoW is a different business model altogether and those players are already paying for such "free" conveniences. Requests like these on larger scales causes F2P games to shut down. People think it is minor, but we have no data to support the income that each cosmetic item brings in, nor should we assume we know.

    "Nothing clears a troubled mind better than shooting a bow. "

  • wilykcat.5864wilykcat.5864 Member ✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @wilykcat.5864 said:
    I agree. It should get replaced with a in game barber shop for character customization changes such as hair, hair color, face, etc. Like how they have one in warcraft but make it only cost silver and copper. Transmog charges should go entirely.

    To use the player only have to pay 15 dollars a month.
    Pretty sure Anet would welcome that income.

    I dont mind as long as I dont have to pay if I dont use it.

    That's not what I meant with the subscription. I would not suggest that at all. The barbershop is just an idea.

  • Vyr.9387Vyr.9387 Member ✭✭

    @Kiba.9743 said:
    People think it is minor, but we have no data to support the income that each cosmetic item brings in, nor should we assume we know.

    That's an interesting point, but it goes both ways.
    All the naysayers act like they have a degree in economics, a specialization for, and a millennium of practice in, the gaming industry, when the only thing they seem to have is "WoW is $15 a month, hurr durr", but there's a reason WoW has enough players to sustain itself thirty times over, and it has very little to do with barbershops changing hairstyles for 5 silver.

    Ultimately, ANet's communication with players - and with the world, looking at their marketing, or lack thereof - leaves a lot to be desired, so the only way to get to them would be through not buying their stuff, and force them this way to come out and go: "'Sup, guys, you're not buying gems anymore. What's the matter?"
    But they usually don't bother - and not just because it looks like they threw everything else to the wind to bee-line EoD; the Build "Templates" are still in-game and still monetized in the image of EA - since the game's upkeep costs are probably the same regardless of how many things they're adding to the game at the current pace, so they might as well keep them and cash in on newcomers who've no idea how the game and its creators operate yet.

    But who knows.
    Speculations are fun!

  • Kiba.9743Kiba.9743 Member ✭✭
    edited February 18, 2021

    @Vyr.9387 said:

    @Kiba.9743 said:
    People think it is minor, but we have no data to support the income that each cosmetic item brings in, nor should we assume we know.

    That's an interesting point, but it goes both ways.
    All the naysayers act like they have a degree in economics, a specialization for, and a millennium of practice in, the gaming industry, when the only thing they seem to have is "WoW is $15 a month, hurr durr", but there's a reason WoW has enough players to sustain itself thirty times over, and it has very little to do with barbershops changing hairstyles for 5 silver.

    Ultimately, ANet's communication with players - and with the world, looking at their marketing, or lack thereof - leaves a lot to be desired, so the only way to get to them would be through not buying their stuff, and force them this way to come out and go: "'Sup, guys, you're not buying gems anymore. What's the matter?"
    But they usually don't bother - and not just because it looks like they threw everything else to the wind to bee-line EoD; the Build "Templates" are still in-game and still monetized in the image of EA - since the game's upkeep costs are probably the same regardless of how many things they're adding to the game at the current pace, so they might as well keep them and cash in on newcomers who've no idea how the game and its creators operate yet.

    But who knows.
    Speculations are fun!

    I absolutely respect your point of view, it is a good one. Thank you for sharing. My assumption of these types of things is simple, every player has a different way to gain access to a particular item. With the transmutation for example, some people pay for them as a standalone item on the Black Lion. Others go through WvW/PvP or create alts and complete maps, or just wait for the login rewards. Me, for example, I only play one character. Sometimes I have an abundance, and sometimes I don't. When I don't, I buy them through a Black Lion Key. The key guarantees me at least one statuette, plus, I get a gamble at something cool out of the chest or a chance at a bundle of statuettes. So, my point is that, for anyone to think "this is just this one thing, it's so small" I would say is not accurate. At the end of the day, developers don't work for free. And while I am not educated in the way of business, Blizzard ran itself as far as business model goes with no one looking over their shoulder (Before Activision. I don't know how their business may have changed after the fact). While ArenaNet is with NCSoft, the type of freedom to reinvent the wheel in certain areas is probably not the same. But like you said, speculation! :)

    "Nothing clears a troubled mind better than shooting a bow. "

  • vicky.9751vicky.9751 Member ✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    Well honestly i can agree with the transmutation charges.
    ff14 lets you buy glamour prisms for free which do the same thing. I dont see why it has to be gated to daily login or map completion.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vicky.9751 said:
    ff14 lets you buy glamour prisms for free which do the same thing. I dont see why it has to be gated to daily login here or map completion.

    On the other hand, in truth FF XIV's glamour wardrobe system is vastly inferior to GW2's one. And by saying "vastly" i mean exactly that - FF XIV's system, compared to what we have here, is very primitive and limited. I'd love to have in FF XIV something that would be even half as good as the wardrobe here.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Mil.3562Mil.3562 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2021

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @vicky.9751 said:
    ff14 lets you buy glamour prisms for free which do the same thing. I dont see why it has to be gated to daily login here or map completion.

    On the other hand, in truth FF XIV's glamour wardrobe system is vastly inferior to GW2's one. And by saying "vastly" i mean exactly that - FF XIV's system, compared to what we have here, is very primitive and limited. I'd love to have in FF XIV something that would be even half as good as the wardrobe here.

    But we are taking about removing the cost of transmutation, not the variety or number of transmutable items available. Anyway, right from launch when fashion war is still far from being a thing, those transmutation charges were already there.

  • wolfyrik.2017wolfyrik.2017 Member ✭✭✭

    I suppose you could argue that transmuation charges are so easily obtainable that they may as well not exist, so it would be a QoL improvement to have them removed, but I've been playing almost since launch which probably skews my view of them. This also assumes that they do not sell and are worthless to Anet due top their ready availability to me....

    So I guess if Anet looked at the stats and the Charges have not sold in x months or years, maybe a QoL argument could be valid.

  • I would be ok with charges being a thing of the past

  • yoni.7015yoni.7015 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Stormcrow.7513 said:
    I would be ok with charges being a thing of the past

    I don’t. There is no need to get rid of them. They are very easy to get for most players and they help Anet making money. We don’t pay a monthly fee for the game so we should allow Anet to make money.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mil.3562 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @vicky.9751 said:
    ff14 lets you buy glamour prisms for free which do the same thing. I dont see why it has to be gated to daily login here or map completion.

    On the other hand, in truth FF XIV's glamour wardrobe system is vastly inferior to GW2's one. And by saying "vastly" i mean exactly that - FF XIV's system, compared to what we have here, is very primitive and limited. I'd love to have in FF XIV something that would be even half as good as the wardrobe here.

    But we are taking about removing the cost of transmutation, not the variety or number of transmutable items available. Anyway, right from launch when fashion war is still far from being a thing, those transmutation charges were already there.

    But if the revenue from what charges ARE bought is funding the wardrobe and its complexity, then keeping it as is would be the way to go.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Comparing the cost of gw2 - the ease on getting Transmutation Charges - the ease on getting selfstyle hairkits... to for example the yearly cost of playing WoW...

    No brainer

  • @yoni.7015 said:

    @Stormcrow.7513 said:
    I would be ok with charges being a thing of the past

    I don’t. There is no need to get rid of them. They are very easy to get for most players and they help Anet making money. We don’t pay a monthly fee for the game so we should allow Anet to make money.

    While this somewhat of a contradictory statement I get your point. Who knows how much revenue Anet gets from TStones but you guys all have to keep this hush hush in case they nerf the amounts that we get lol.

  • For my part, I agree that the wardrobe system is too restrictive for most players due to transmute charge requirements. I think I would prefer it if they could create a system for cosmetic templates (armory possibly?). Instead of using a transmute charge to apply individual skins, players would use a single transmute charge to create or edit a cosmetic template.

    Players wouldn't need as many charges to change their look frequently and truly enjoy the wonderful dye and wardrobe system GW2 has and ANet can market additional cosmetic template slots for the fashionistas. They could either sell these directly via the cash shop or create a vendor that sells them in exchange for a number of transmute charges.

  • Astyrah.4015Astyrah.4015 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:
    For my part, I agree that the wardrobe system is too restrictive for most players due to transmute charge requirements.

    yeah if you don't PvP or WvW or level 10 story keyfarm or make lotsa characters you'll eventually run out of transmutes with no reliable, consistent way to replenish other than what @maddoctor.2738 mentioned above.

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:
    I think I would prefer it if they could create a system for cosmetic templates (armory possibly?). Instead of using a transmute charge to apply individual skins, players would use a single transmute charge to create or edit a cosmetic template.

    i'd like it if they did it like SWTOR where you have like 3 or 5 template tabs available for wardrobe/transmog then you could buy additional tabs if you needed more. for each tab you can set what gear you want to "wear" and when you click save/apply it charges you the ingame currency each time for any modification.

    for gw2 they can make tabs cost gems or golds or transmute charges (like 10? per tab?) and have transmute charges used for each item/equipment slot you want to modify the look of.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Seeing these threads only makes the argument for them to separate armor from cosmetic and make you transmutate the slots directly. It would make people map complete, play WvW more, or buy more charges!

    So far, Icebrood Saga weapon collections cost 3845 Gold to craft!
    *Does not include Volcanic Stormcaller set, Runic Armor, or Icebrood Infusion.

  • Frostfang.5109Frostfang.5109 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Transmutation is fine.... But the ability to get make over kits orchairstyle kits should be easier to get

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't have a problem with the hairstyle kits.

    However I do dislike that there are exclusive faces and hairstyles in them..
    There have been plenty of occasions where I have made new characters and then used a kit on them instantly afterwards because they don't have the right face or hair that I want them to have and those options were not available in the creation process.

    I think it's long past time the creation process was updated to include these new faces and hairstyles.. but that's just me.
    Keep the colours exclusive, I don't care there but the faces and hair should be time locked for like a year or something and then become selectable in the creation process.

  • I just want wardrobes that I can fast swap too (Not outfits, they are the dumbest idea GW2 has come up with).
    Arenanet seems to be stuck on the systems they choose, despite how archaic many of them seem to be.

  • @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:
    How can you farm transmutation charges in PVE in the same mass like PVP or WVW without spending gems or gold?

    The same way WvW players farm gifts of Maguuma, gifts of exploration, play the mode.

    But how do I play PVE mode and farm as many transmutation charges as I would if I farmed WVW afk?
    There are only a limited number of maps you can explore per character.

    Or is this another, boo you must play all game modes otherwise you are not worthy.
    Sure, I like to AFK farm wvw. It's anyway so sparsely populated that I no longer take away anyone's place :).
    Of course it's a pity for the few who still take WVW seriously, if they have a bunch of people who only do the most necessary and 80% of the time just stand around. But in the forum you get to hear again and again, play wvw x).

    Yes. You need to be in WvW or sPvP. But the Neat thing is, you get them JUST FROM LOGGING ON.

    But of course you can also buy them.

    See? Four easy sources of getting them. In fact, I’d love to be able to sell the 3000+ ones I have!

    Making trans-charges tradable would be a dream. Know a bunch of people who have so many because they hardly use them while someone like me, if the opportunity exists 100 per week is nothing ...
    I would also be someone who would actually buy more Gem-store skins if I could change them like I like.
    But buying something to use something already purchased? Or play modies that I find annoying for something exential in fashion-wars?
    Nah~, thanks no.
    And because I know that people would go back to it. I don't care how wvw or pvpler get their stuff. Because of me they can get everything you get in pve in their modies. I hate these exhausting comparisons like taking a lollipop away from a child ...

    This would be acceptable too... If like so many people are saying here, "It's SO EASY to farm them, I have SO many, there is no reason to ever buy them from the gem store!" Let them sell them on the Trading Post, so people who DON'T want to farm hours and hours of WvW don't have to.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Reaper X.6305 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:
    How can you farm transmutation charges in PVE in the same mass like PVP or WVW without spending gems or gold?

    The same way WvW players farm gifts of Maguuma, gifts of exploration, play the mode.

    But how do I play PVE mode and farm as many transmutation charges as I would if I farmed WVW afk?
    There are only a limited number of maps you can explore per character.

    Or is this another, boo you must play all game modes otherwise you are not worthy.
    Sure, I like to AFK farm wvw. It's anyway so sparsely populated that I no longer take away anyone's place :).
    Of course it's a pity for the few who still take WVW seriously, if they have a bunch of people who only do the most necessary and 80% of the time just stand around. But in the forum you get to hear again and again, play wvw x).

    Yes. You need to be in WvW or sPvP. But the Neat thing is, you get them JUST FROM LOGGING ON.

    But of course you can also buy them.

    See? Four easy sources of getting them. In fact, I’d love to be able to sell the 3000+ ones I have!

    Making trans-charges tradable would be a dream. Know a bunch of people who have so many because they hardly use them while someone like me, if the opportunity exists 100 per week is nothing ...
    I would also be someone who would actually buy more Gem-store skins if I could change them like I like.
    But buying something to use something already purchased? Or play modies that I find annoying for something exential in fashion-wars?
    Nah~, thanks no.
    And because I know that people would go back to it. I don't care how wvw or pvpler get their stuff. Because of me they can get everything you get in pve in their modies. I hate these exhausting comparisons like taking a lollipop away from a child ...

    This would be acceptable too... If like so many people are saying here, "It's SO EASY to farm them, I have SO many, there is no reason to ever buy them from the gem store!" Let them sell them on the Trading Post, so people who DON'T want to farm hours and hours of WvW don't have to.

    But.... they do sell them on the trading post. From the Wiki:

    "Purchased via the Black Lion Trading Company. Spent in the wardrobe to change appearance.

    — In-game description"

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • vicky.9751vicky.9751 Member ✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @vicky.9751 said:
    ff14 lets you buy glamour prisms for free which do the same thing. I dont see why it has to be gated to daily login here or map completion.

    On the other hand, in truth FF XIV's glamour wardrobe system is vastly inferior to GW2's one. And by saying "vastly" i mean exactly that - FF XIV's system, compared to what we have here, is very primitive and limited. I'd love to have in FF XIV something that would be even half as good as the wardrobe here.

    this isnt entirely correct, both games have limited transmute systems. you cant wear light on medium classes, and vice versa.
    the only plus gw2 has is, account wide dyes that dont have a limited number of uses.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    @vicky.9751 said:
    the only plus gw2 has is, account wide dyes that dont have a limited number of uses.

    Most gear in GW2 also has multiple dye channels, in FF14 there is only one channel per armour piece.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    But.... they do sell them on the trading post. From the Wiki:

    "Purchased via the Black Lion Trading Company. Spent in the wardrobe to change appearance.

    — In-game description"

    The BLTC is different from the Trading Post. BLTC is the gem store where you get many account-bound items. Trading Post is where players sell items to each other. The request here is to make them player tradeable. Which would be one way of evening out the distribution, for sure.

    I'd love everything to be free to apply. Though I spend plenty in the gem store, I do not buy consumables other than keys; total makeover kits are a side effect of my occasional key purchases and transmute charges come from the chests plus logging in and playing the game. Also I spent a few years slowly saving up gold and finally bought a permanent hair stylist as one never dropped from a chest for me. ANet's not gaining any money from me at least by making appearance changes use resources. In fact they'd make more money from me if they A) made account bound unlocked skins convertible to charges or removed the charges requirement so I could delete a pile of skins from my bank to make room for me to buy more that I kinda like but don't have immediate use for and B ) (unrelated to appearance) made a tome that holds all VIP passes so I'd be willing to buy more passes that currently take up way too much space.

  • KelyNeli.4516KelyNeli.4516 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2021

    @kharmin.7683 said:
    Hard no. I really wish people would stop comparing GW2 and WoW. The business models are entirely different. Transmutation charges are easy to obtain and relatively cheap if one needs to purchase them. I prefer this current arrangement in lieu of a subscription model which would probably turn more players away.

    Whh not?
    Wow, ffxiv, lotro and other games are competition to gw2.
    Black desert online for instance allows you to change everything unlimited amounts of time for 15$ a month and is a free to play game. So?
    15$ for unlimited changes a month >>> 3 changes for 10$

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    On the other hand, in truth FF XIV's glamour wardrobe system is vastly inferior to GW2's one. And by saying "vastly" i mean exactly that - FF XIV's system, compared to what we have here, is very primitive and limited. I'd love to have in FF XIV something that would be even half as good as the wardrobe here.

    Idk when you played ffxiv the last time but nope.
    Ffxiv has a wardobe with 12 slots, that allows you to create 12 different looks you want to apply on gear, it cost you nothing and you could change your look to a preset you made in few clicks.

  • Astyrah.4015Astyrah.4015 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2021

    @KelyNeli.4516 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    On the other hand, in truth FF XIV's glamour wardrobe system is vastly inferior to GW2's one. And by saying "vastly" i mean exactly that - FF XIV's system, compared to what we have here, is very primitive and limited. I'd love to have in FF XIV something that would be even half as good as the wardrobe here.

    Idk when you played ffxiv the last time but nope.
    Ffxiv has a wardobe with 12 slots, that allows you to create 12 different looks you want to apply on gear, it cost you nothing and you could change your look to a preset you made in few clicks.

    the only thing gw2 has over ff14 is the dye system when it comes to transmuting (gw2) vs glamour (ff14). we have a wider variety of colours to choose from and multiple dye channels on most gear (though there are times the dye channels are badly placed on some equipment and outfits)

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @KelyNeli.4516 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    On the other hand, in truth FF XIV's glamour wardrobe system is vastly inferior to GW2's one. And by saying "vastly" i mean exactly that - FF XIV's system, compared to what we have here, is very primitive and limited. I'd love to have in FF XIV something that would be even half as good as the wardrobe here.

    Idk when you played ffxiv the last time but nope.
    Ffxiv has a wardobe with 12 slots, that allows you to create 12 different looks you want to apply on gear, it cost you nothing and you could change your look to a preset you made in few clicks.

    Sure it has glamour plates, and applying plates indeed costs you nothing. What you omitted however is that those glamour plates are made out of glamours you take from glamour wardrobe. And not only the number of slots in the wardrobe is limited (heavily limited, in a fact), but it doesn't work by unlocking skins, but by putting actual items in it. Not to mention you can change glamour plates only in few major cities, which in itself can be a problem if you want to have a different look for classes sharing a gear (i.e a separate look for a black and red mage, or for machinist, bard and dancer). And that's even without mentioning the dye system.
    Also, adding items to glamour wardrobe (or applying individual glamours) does cost you something. Sure, glamour prisms may be cheap, but they still exist (and it's not like in gw2 getting transmutation charges ingame is any harder, tbh).

    In general, glamour system works if you want to have one generic look per role, and are very conservative about changing your looks. Or, if you play a single class and are interested in looks for that class only. If you are like me however, and like to have every single class dressed differently (and like to play with looks, changing them relatively often), then you will find out very, very fast how limited the glamour system is, and how you will constantly keep thinking about all the gw2 wardrobe features you would want to have instead.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.