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I hope dragons in cantha doesn't look like the Lunar Maned Skyscale...

Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭
edited February 25, 2021 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

I was super excited to see the name from the update notes this morning, though the skin was disappointing. For me it doesn’t look like a oriental dragon at all, more like some weird dog/goat dragon from the NeverEnding story...

I mean it’s ok for Anet to design skin with any look they like but if they are aiming for an oriental dragon look skin then there’s a few features:

1: Oriental dragon has mane, but only on the head and the beard (both around the face and two long ones like the carp). Other part like the spine and the tail should look more like fish fins.

2: Face of oriental dragon looks more like a Croc instead of a furry mammal, the dragon the often referred as the “King of the scale animals” (Phoenix is the king of the feathered).

  1. The horns also usually look like a deer horn that spear like branches, not a goat horn...

4: for this skin they could try to just hide the wings model and the animation should already look good for walk and fly. They already got really nice animaition of the body waving when flying and run.

I know It’s just a skin but since they named it Lunar Maned skyscale I’m a little worried that’s the direction they going to go with for Canthna creatures... hope they do more research and sketch on the authentic oriental dragon’s look, not because we can’t change the old tradition, just because I find they look truly more epic.

PS: Still love u Anet...

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wow.
    Just.
    ....
    ....
    Wow.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Looks a bit like Bangar Ruinbringer from the face kitten

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  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    Ah... as sure as the sun rises I knew there’d be a post complaining about the new gemstone items. It is Tuesday, after all.

    That said, you’re not wrong to express your opinion, and I kind of agree. I love this skin and would like them to use it in the world somewhere, but I hope it’s not the only, or one of very few, designs of dragons we get to see. Considering the name of the expansion is end of dragons, we’re fighting 1 more more elder dragon, AND this is the empire of the dragon, I find it very unlikely we won’t see many more dragon designs. Also, this is really kind of a lunar new year skin, not cantha. The real question is why did they add this the day the festival ends and not a week or two prior?

    I'd rather keep going.. wherever the wind takes us

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fenom.9457 said:
    Ah... as sure as the sun rises I knew there’d be a post complaining about the new gemstone items. It is Tuesday, after all.

    That said, you’re not wrong to express your opinion, and I kind of agree. I love this skin and would like them to use it in the world somewhere, but I hope it’s not the only, or one of very few, designs of dragons we get to see. Considering the name of the expansion is end of dragons, we’re fighting 1 more more elder dragon, AND this is the empire of the dragon, I find it very unlikely we won’t see many more dragon designs. Also, this is really kind of a lunar new year skin, not cantha. The real question is why did they add this the day the festival ends and not a week or two prior?

    Yeah I’m just so excited for Cantha and I have high hope for the art. I love GW2 for the visual and I think it’s the best, so I just hope they treat some of the concept art a bit more seriously

  • I don't think it's supposed to be an oriental dragon. I think it's "lunar" because it's like a wolf-dragon-thing, like you'd see on DeviantArt. And other places.

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  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    @hatsamu.4327 said:
    I don't think it's supposed to be an oriental dragon. I think it's "lunar" because it's like a wolf-dragon-thing, like you'd see on DeviantArt. And other places.

    I can see the reference from Spirited Away dragon, it’s a very unique new design they introduced in the movie with the wolf face and hairy body, and since then there are artists start to go that direction because the movie is famous.

    In eastern mythology, dragons (called Loong) is a creature that lives in water either ocean or lake, and they have power to control water and weather, that’s why they are so powerful and treated like god because farming culture depends on the rain to get good harvest.

    So those creature highly related to water animals, they are called the King of all scaled. Covered by a whole body of fur won’t do them good, they be always wet and swim super slow lol, I think it was a bad design decision for that movie anyway...

  • I didn't think, from the name, it would have anything to do with Cantha, or any oriental-type dragon.

    The art team does know how to fashion oriental dragons: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mini_Mystical_Dragon
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mini_Snow_Flurry_Dragon

    That said, barring a significant change with different dyes, it's not my cup of Oolong tea.

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    I didn't think, from the name, it would have anything to do with Cantha, or any oriental-type dragon.

    The art team does know how to fashion oriental dragons: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mini_Mystical_Dragon
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mini_Snow_Flurry_Dragon

    That said, barring a significant change with different dyes, it's not my cup of Oolong tea.

    Yeah I think they do know how to model a oriental dragon, this skin is just a lazier approach to re-model the skyscale, it’s fine, but they could do a little bit more, for example a bigger and more stylized head fur (like the fur style on the Shrine guardian Jackal skin) and it would already look much better.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Or, one can just look at Kuunavang in EoD trailer.

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  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    Oh! Does the teaser have an actual in-game model?
    I only remember a kind of animation-art thing.

    Ok, just watched the teaser, and yeah, there you go!

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    Or, one can just look at Kuunavang in EoD trailer.

    Kuunavang actually looks very close to the Shimmering skyscale model

  • Funky.4861Funky.4861 Member ✭✭✭

    Thanks for your post OP; you've saved me from spending gems on BL keys :) The goat-dog-dragon is as bad as the anime springer but not as bad as the stunted alicorn.

  • vicky.9751vicky.9751 Member ✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    Who is drawing these skins?:X
    is there no quality control ? the recent springer skin was also very cringe.

  • Raknar.4735Raknar.4735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Base skyscale face looks better than any of the pricey skyscale skins imho.

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  • Farohna.6247Farohna.6247 Member ✭✭✭

    @vicky.9751 said:
    Who is drawing these skins?:X
    is there no quality control ? the recent springer skin was also very cringe.

    Lol the springer grows on you, after it's dyed. Unintentionally received one from a chest... surprise. Now I find it quite whimsical, like a kangaroo rat.

    I will be interested to see more of the new skyscales flying about, curious to see how they look in action.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nothing of the "Lunar-maned" name strikes me as Asian.

  • My first thought when I saw it was a ware wolf with the full moon in the background.

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Nothing of the "Lunar-maned" name strikes me as Asian.

    I guess Lunar new year sounds just like a nightly event for you?

  • Frostfang.5109Frostfang.5109 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    The design didnt bother me that much, but the texture did, and the choise to makecthe saddle dyeable instead of giving the horns a separate Chanel. I bougt this but what a disapointment!

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It wouldn't surprise me if the way a lot of gem store skins come about is an artist does a bunch of designs, the people who create the 3D models make the ones they think are possible to do in the game, the best of them get chosen to go into the game and then the marketing team gives them names when they're going to be released, based on not just how the skin looks but what they're currently promoting.

    This is coming out at the end of the Lunar New Year festival, so they stuck the word Lunar in the name. That doesn't mean the artist who designed it set out to design an Asian style dragon and somehown accidentally drew that instead, just that it was an available design at the right time and someone in marketing wanted to make it obvious it's tied to the Lunar New Year.

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  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What about this skin made them go with the name "Lunar-maned" anyways?

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    What about this skin made them go with the name "Lunar-maned" anyways?

    Probably because Bearded Dragon was already taken?

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  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    It wouldn't surprise me if the way a lot of gem store skins come about is an artist does a bunch of designs, the people who create the 3D models make the ones they think are possible to do in the game, the best of them get chosen to go into the game and then the marketing team gives them names when they're going to be released, based on not just how the skin looks but what they're currently promoting.

    This is coming out at the end of the Lunar New Year festival, so they stuck the word Lunar in the name. That doesn't mean the artist who designed it set out to design an Asian style dragon and somehown accidentally drew that instead, just that it was an available design at the right time and someone in marketing wanted to make it obvious it's tied to the Lunar New Year.

    Kinda agree, probably just a bad naming... I’m ok with this skin’s look, just worry that the art department will associate the furry/dog looking features with eastern dragon design, that’s it...

    A lot of people think it’s acceptable because the furry dragon design in Spirited Away, personality I think Ghibli did a bad design by giving the dragon lot of furs, specially it is a water/river-god dragon. It should look more like a serpent or reptile. Feel like they did that to try to look different and cool...

    Furry dragon could be a good idea if it’s some kind of arctic monster...

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lol the new Skyscale skin looks like a Dog with wings to me XD

    Don't worry though even back in Gw1 there were significant differences between Tyrian Dragons and Canthan Dragons.
    Canthan dragons tend to be far more Eastern Serpent like or Turtle/Tortoise like in design while Tyrian Dragons have more Western and Drake like styles as you can also see in Gw2, the exceptions to that rule are naturally the Elder Dragons.
    Hydra's are also a thing as well although they no longer appear to be a Tyrian based creature like they were in Gw1 and now exclusively reside in Elona.
    There's also Wyverns now too which are a new addition to the universe and were not in Gw1.

    Aurine, Vlast and Skyscales can all be seen in Gw2 and show your more Western style winged 4 legged Dragons and Glint was the same, likewise Tyria also has multiple species of Wingless Drakes which are a lesser species of Dragon in this universe.

    As for Cantha well we've seen Kuunavang in the trailer for End of Dragons and she still has the same serpent design she did in Gw1 so that's good.
    There's also the mini mystical dragon which was added for the Chinese release of the game.. not a creature we've ever seen in Gw2 but that is an asset they could reuse for a creature in Cantha if they wanted to.. personally I'd really love to see that.

    The Elders are more diverse though which makes sense since we don't even know where they originate anyway.
    Zhaitan is just a mishmash of parts we know nothing about his true/original form as it's long lost to time he could have been anything.
    Mordremoth is a Wyrm, a limbless, wingless serpent that appears to be rooted into the ground and immobile.
    Kralkatorrik is more Western style, again 4 legs and wings like Glint and Aurine.

    The rest we don't have confirmation on yet but it is heavily speculated that Jormag is a Lindwurm style dragon, a long serpent like dragon with two front legs and probably no wings.. and since Primordus has been dropped as Jormag's Twin it's possible he too will share a similar design.
    When you add the crocodilish face reveal he had in S3 to the fact that we know he lives underground and tunnels his way around the world more serpent like design would definitely make the most sense for him to have.
    So Primordus is likely a wingless Lindwurm or Wyrm like Dragon or possibly something akin to a Salamander or Knucker Dragon.

    The Deep Sea Dragon is the only one we know next to nothing about and it's design varies greatly in concept art.
    There has only been one single glimpse of this dragon in Gw2 during a cutscene in Path of Fire where we see a Dragon inside a blue triangle which is presumed! not confirmed to be the Deep Sea Dragon.
    In this glimpse we can see what appears to be a large black dragon with wings, at least two front legs and a tail.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/14/The_Way_Forward_Dragon_concept_art.jpg

    So perhaps another western style dragon or maybe a winged Lindwurm.
    Although we do also have to factor in that there is a severely strong possibility that the DSD will not look anything like this image when we finally see it in game.
    Personally I am hoping for this as well as one of the lesser known Dragon Species in the Guildwars franchise is actually the Bonesnap Turtles of Cantha.. a very rare Dragon type in Gw1 that was only ever found on Shing Jea island.
    https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/4/47/Bonesnap_Turtle.jpg

    I am hoping the DSD dragon will be some kind of hybrid between a Bonesnap Turtle and a Hydra, a gigantic armoured turtle like dragon with at least 3 heads.. that would be awesome and it would fit with the Canthan region really good as Turtles are kind of a thing when it comes to design there.
    Bonesnap Turtles, Kappa and the Giant turtles the Luxons use as siege weapons and beasts of burden.. all of these are very unique to Cantha so giving the DSD a Turtle like design would definitely work for me, plus I love the idea of it being darn near invincible as nothing can penetrate it's shell ^^

  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm not inclined to think they'll use the Skyscale as the basis for any of the dragons of Cantha.

    Hate Is Fuel.

  • I'm not a fan of the new mount either.

    I doubt this is going to show up anywhere in Cantha. I am sure Cantha dragons are going to look more like saltsprays.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Nothing of the "Lunar-maned" name strikes me as Asian.

    I guess Lunar new year sounds just like a nightly event for you?

    The first thing I think of, when I hear or read lunar, is the moon. The first animals I think of are wolves, not dragons.
    The first animals I think of when hearing/reading mane are grown-up male lions.

    And New Year is just a celebration of the year's number changing.

    Also, here in Germany most people (that I know of) refer to it as Chinese New Year.
    That's a name that's not even slightly related to the moon.

  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Nothing of the "Lunar-maned" name strikes me as Asian.

    I guess Lunar new year sounds just like a nightly event for you?

    The first thing I think of, when I hear or read lunar, is the moon. The first animals I think of are wolves, not dragons.
    The first animals I think of when hearing/reading mane are grown-up male lions.

    And New Year is just a celebration of the year's number changing.

    Also, here in Germany most people (that I know of) refer to it as Chinese New Year.
    That's a name that's not even slightly related to the moon.

    Except it is. The Chinese New Year IS a Lunar New Year.

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  • I thought , only I feel like it looks like a goat... :p

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Nothing of the "Lunar-maned" name strikes me as Asian.

    I guess Lunar new year sounds just like a nightly event for you?

    The first thing I think of, when I hear or read lunar, is the moon. The first animals I think of are wolves, not dragons.
    The first animals I think of when hearing/reading mane are grown-up male lions.

    And New Year is just a celebration of the year's number changing.

    Also, here in Germany most people (that I know of) refer to it as Chinese New Year.
    That's a name that's not even slightly related to the moon.

    Trivia:
    Lunar New Year (or Chinese New Year) is the Spring Festival based on the Yin Calender (as Yin and Yang). and it's based on the full cycle of the moon phases.
    The modern calendar we use today is also existed in Chinese culture and they call it Yang Calender (sun calendar) or Nong Calender which mean Agriculture Calender.
    It's more called Lunar new year now days because a lot of other Asian countries other than China also share this tradition.

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭

    Hum, i suddenly realize this skin looks a lot like the Forest Spirit creature in Princess Mononoke

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Except it is. The Chinese New Year IS a Lunar New Year.

    That's only because at the moment they introduced it in GW2, they couldn't really call it the Canthan new year.

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Nothing of the "Lunar-maned" name strikes me as Asian.

    I guess Lunar new year sounds just like a nightly event for you?

    The first thing I think of, when I hear or read lunar, is the moon. The first animals I think of are wolves, not dragons.
    The first animals I think of when hearing/reading mane are grown-up male lions.

    And New Year is just a celebration of the year's number changing.

    Also, here in Germany most people (that I know of) refer to it as Chinese New Year.
    That's a name that's not even slightly related to the moon.

    Trivia:
    Lunar New Year (or Chinese New Year) is the Spring Festival based on the Yin Calender (as Yin and Yang). and it's based on the full cycle of the moon phases.
    The modern calendar we use today is also existed in Chinese culture and they call it Yang Calender (sun calendar) or Nong Calender which mean Agriculture Calender.
    It's more called Lunar new year now days because a lot of other Asian countries other than China also share this tradition.

    The word Monday is based on moon.
    The whole concept of months is based on the moon.
    The word menstruation comes from the Latin word for moon.
    Is the Lunar New Year the first thing you think of in all three cases?
    After all, apparently you consider the Lunar New Year to be the most important thing to the moon.

  • Konrad Curze.5130Konrad Curze.5130 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    its a dog head slapped on the skyscale, beyond awful.

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Nothing of the "Lunar-maned" name strikes me as Asian.

    I guess Lunar new year sounds just like a nightly event for you?

    The first thing I think of, when I hear or read lunar, is the moon. The first animals I think of are wolves, not dragons.
    The first animals I think of when hearing/reading mane are grown-up male lions.

    And New Year is just a celebration of the year's number changing.

    Also, here in Germany most people (that I know of) refer to it as Chinese New Year.
    That's a name that's not even slightly related to the moon.

    Trivia:
    Lunar New Year (or Chinese New Year) is the Spring Festival based on the Yin Calender (as Yin and Yang). and it's based on the full cycle of the moon phases.
    The modern calendar we use today is also existed in Chinese culture and they call it Yang Calender (sun calendar) or Nong Calender which mean Agriculture Calender.
    It's more called Lunar new year now days because a lot of other Asian countries other than China also share this tradition.

    The word Monday is based on moon.
    The whole concept of months is based on the moon.
    The word menstruation comes from the Latin word for moon.
    Is the Lunar New Year the first thing you think of in all three cases?
    After all, apparently you consider the Lunar New Year to be the most important thing to the moon.

    Oh u still on that topic lol... I’m was just explaining why it’s call Lunar new year...

    But see those examples u showed are using the word “Moon” rather than Lunar. If the skin is call Moon Maned I wouldn’t question the oriental reference at all.

    Sure lunar mean moon first, it’s also Sailor Moon’s black cat and Sarah Brightman’s album name. Those are the things that came to my mind first when I hear the word 🤣

    The reason it get connect with Cantha is also because of the timing, it became available on the day the Lunar New Year event finished, and sure It’s not necessary that they are connected, but there defiantly I tension there.

    The skin grow on me though, might get it today

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    @Astyrah.4015 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:
    Was super excited to see the name from the update notes this morning, those the skin was disappointing. For me it doesn’t look like a oriental dragon at all, more like some weird dog/goat dragon from the NeverEnding story...

    it's like they slapped a dog's head on the skyscale's neck, added some fake mane extensions on the neck and called it a day lol

    It’s we just focus on the skin’s look itself...
    Look at the skin closely, it actually got a lot of details, the hair is not poorly done, the paws looks good and tails too.

    I think my biggest problem with it now is mostly it’s face, it’s looks a lot more like a goat than a dog, a dog would be so much better, but a goat face with that evil eyes (why gave him an evil vertical pupil eyes) it not that cute.

    And these horn design just make it look even more like a goat, maybe it’s the intention to make it a little devilish? But then I’m struggle to decide if the skin should be cute or creepy, I rather it get a simply wolf face with a deer/ox horn

  • Ragi.7291Ragi.7291 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    For this skyscale skin, I think the main ref is Trico in Last guardian.
    trico-last-room-guardian_1_f19eb1c864c3bcd89d4d2d5d2118e01d.jpg

    morgane-malville-trico-render-green.jpg

    @Hoover.6394
    But yes, there is still a problem with heads, the same with the warclaw at 1600gems, the same with the unicorn, ...
    It's a constant and it ruins the whole model every time.

  • MokahTGS.7850MokahTGS.7850 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    Falcor!! 15 characters

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭

    @MokahTGS.7850 said:

    Falcor!! 15 characters

    It’s weird but still very cute, I wish this skin had a pup face lol

  • Astyrah.4015Astyrah.4015 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Astyrah.4015 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:
    Was super excited to see the name from the update notes this morning, those the skin was disappointing. For me it doesn’t look like a oriental dragon at all, more like some weird dog/goat dragon from the NeverEnding story...

    it's like they slapped a dog's head on the skyscale's neck, added some fake mane extensions on the neck and called it a day lol

    It’s we just focus on the skin’s look itself...
    Look at the skin closely, it actually got a lot of details, the hair is not poorly done, the paws looks good and tails too.

    I think my biggest problem with it now is mostly it’s face, it’s looks a lot more like a goat than a dog, a dog would be so much better, but a goat face with that evil eyes (why gave him an evil vertical pupil eyes) it not that cute.

    And these horn design just make it look even more like a goat, maybe it’s the intention to make it a little devilish? But then I’m struggle to decide if the skin should be cute or creepy, I rather it get a simply wolf face with a deer/ox horn

    actually i saw the other thread here about the dye channels for this specific mount and yeah after a good dye job, the mount itself becomes more tolerable. it's still not my type but it looks a lot better with a proper recolour :)

    the said topic:
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/124059/anyone-knows-what-are-the-dye-channels-for-the-new-skyscale

  • This new Skyscale is so unbelievable ugly. I had no idea, it was possible to outugly the unicorn Griffin.
    Well done !!!

  • Hoover.6394Hoover.6394 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2021

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  • AgentMoore.9453AgentMoore.9453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Given that this thing was dropped on the last day of the Lunar New Year, I definitely expected it to look more like your sketch. I understand if hiding the wings wasn't an option (though how did the hummingbird Skimmer happen in that case?) but maybe they could have replaced those with wing-shaped cloud particles or something.

    I do think if they were aiming for an eastern dragon (or kirin?) that they failed and if they were aiming for a Skyscale, they also failed. If anything, it looks like the goat Springer. Then again, I'm always pretty disappointed when we get a skin of a creature that's seen nowhere else in Tyria with little or no explanation of where it came from.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2021

    @AgentMoore.9453 said:
    Then again, I'm always pretty disappointed when we get a skin of a creature that's seen nowhere else in Tyria with little or no explanation of where it came from.

    There was I'm sure a reference many, many years ago that black lion skins are exactly that in lore - skins or holograms you place over the top of the mount. If that remains true or I haven't misrememebered the context, then some of these random ones can be explained away as Evon just making them up as original designs.

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .