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Its funny to see a server with such coverage being locked & unlinked

cpchow.7416cpchow.7416 Member ✭✭
edited June 16, 2018 in WvW

I think this is how the WvW 's link system works. Cheers!

Here we go this is the activity data of all server start from 3/3/2018 , the funny server C is winning all of the matchup with almost the lowest population among all tier.
What a shame to the server with a higher population but cant even win one week against them.

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  • cpchow.7416cpchow.7416 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    FA+AR confirmed this week! You win the title of the highest population,cheers!
    With full data support by gw2wvwstats.com !

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Uhm, what is your point here?

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  • cpchow.7416cpchow.7416 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    Need a better mathematics teacher.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Is this a poor BG thread?

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  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    More context is needed here. We can assume its one of the solo servers but that's about it. Also you need to list 2-3 months worth of images and pop counts. Population locks are not based on single weeks. So is this about MAG or BG?

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  • cpchow.7416cpchow.7416 Member ✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:
    Is this a poor BG thread?

    No matchup thread is allowed , you better not to mention the server names!

  • @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    More context is needed here. We can assume its one of the solo servers but that's about it. Also you need to list 2-3 months worth of images and pop counts. Population locks are not based on single weeks. So is this about MAG or BG?

    None. It's about Anet not keeping their 0-10% population difference and hating certain servers lol.

  • cpchow.7416cpchow.7416 Member ✭✭

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    More context is needed here. We can assume its one of the solo servers but that's about it. Also you need to list 2-3 months worth of images and pop counts. Population locks are not based on single weeks. So is this about MAG or BG?

    None. It's about Anet not keeping their 0-10% population difference and hating certain servers lol.

    Is it a Server/Racial discrimination?

  • cpchow.7416cpchow.7416 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    Anet thinks the WvW population data is a top secret but you can just find them from gw2 wvw stats.com.

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    More context is needed here. We can assume its one of the solo servers but that's about it. Also you need to list 2-3 months worth of images and pop counts. Population locks are not based on single weeks. So is this about MAG or BG?

    None. It's about Anet not keeping their 0-10% population difference and hating certain servers lol.

    But, they never said over what period of time that needs to be true. It isn't 1 or 2 weeks, because if it was, players would just log out or play pve for a couple weeks to get their already overstacked server open so more people can join them...like a server did in the past. That "period" could be 6 months...they have never said.

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  • Shining One.1635Shining One.1635 Member ✭✭✭

    From my understanding, "Activity" (Kills + Deaths) is not a factor in ArenaNet's population calculations. It's based on play hours. A 50-man zerg sitting at spawn for an hour is 50 play hours, despite having no kills or deaths.

  • cpchow.7416cpchow.7416 Member ✭✭

    @Shining One.1635 said:
    From my understanding, "Activity" (Kills + Deaths) is not a factor in ArenaNet's population calculations. It's based on play hours. A 50-man zerg sitting at spawn for an hour is 50 play hours, despite having no kills or deaths.

    How could 50 man zerg contributing nothing consider as active population. You should count players in PVE as a active population with your logic.

  • Mini Crinny.6190Mini Crinny.6190 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @cpchow.7416 said:

    @Shining One.1635 said:
    From my understanding, "Activity" (Kills + Deaths) is not a factor in ArenaNet's population calculations. It's based on play hours. A 50-man zerg sitting at spawn for an hour is 50 play hours, despite having no kills or deaths.

    How could 50 man zerg contributing nothing consider as active population. You should count players in PVE as a active population with your logic.

    They calculate a server's Population by Play hours in WvW and WvW ranks gained so stop using all those birthday boosters!

  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Who cares. JQ is better. If you're not on JQ, you should be ashamed of yourself.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So this is about players gaming the system. Let's admit it, players are going to find a way to bypass any safety checks that ANet can put in place. The only way they could get close to doing so would be to not allow people to choose what server they login into each day and then there might be ways to bypass that. Alliances will go a ways but I wouldn't count on it being a silver bullet either.

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  • Celsith.2753Celsith.2753 Member ✭✭✭

    Clearly the answer is to #OpenBG

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  • Limodriver.4106Limodriver.4106 Member ✭✭✭

    the flaw is the transfer cost and penalty to the link server is too low its too easy for ppl to move to the link server to stack there. Plus there is nothing to get from the ticket once u have enough for legendary armor so whocares if u dont get ticket for 1 week.

  • X T D.6458X T D.6458 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm pretty sure that site only shows activity, which is not an accurate representation of population. Anet is the only accurate source of population numbers, and I doubt they would ever release those numbers for a variety of reasons. FA also went full this week and is currently losing to SBI.

    BG

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @X T D.6458 said:
    FA ... is currently losing to SBI.

    OP probably plays in a timezone where this isn't true of their skirmish.

  • GDchiaScrub.3241GDchiaScrub.3241 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yes. Poor Maguuma. Err wait wut server is the title referring to?

    D:

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  • @Mini Crinny.6190 said:

    @cpchow.7416 said:

    @Shining One.1635 said:
    From my understanding, "Activity" (Kills + Deaths) is not a factor in ArenaNet's population calculations. It's based on play hours. A 50-man zerg sitting at spawn for an hour is 50 play hours, despite having no kills or deaths.

    How could 50 man zerg contributing nothing consider as active population. You should count players in PVE as a active population with your logic.

    They calculate a server's Population by Play hours in WvW and WvW ranks gained so stop using all those birthday boosters!

    So players who play more get punished for playing the game. I never thought that I would see a company punish their players for playing XD.

  • Shining One.1635Shining One.1635 Member ✭✭✭

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:
    So players who play more get punished for playing the game. I never thought that I would see a company punish their players for playing XD.

    In what way are the players who play more being punished?

  • ChronosCosmos.9450ChronosCosmos.9450 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @Shining One.1635 said:

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:
    So players who play more get punished for playing the game. I never thought that I would see a company punish their players for playing XD.

    In what way are the players who play more being punished?

    Servers get locked based on playtime. For example JQ was locked even though they had 0 population before getting back to tier 1. If you're a server that has under-average population but play a lot to make up for it, you are punished by A-net when they lock your server. They're not letting you increase your under-average population.

  • Kovu.7560Kovu.7560 Member ✭✭✭✭

    FA's consistently outnumbered on 2 maps and is "fighting" to stay in 2nd in T2.
    I feel like those metrics are off.

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  • hunkamania.7561hunkamania.7561 Member ✭✭✭

    The server system is hopefully gonna soon so i wouldn't lose sleep in this heavily flawed system.

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  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:
    They're not letting you increase your under-average population.

    If your play hours are high, your population is not under-average.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @GDchiaScrub.3241 said:
    Yes. Poor Maguuma. Err wait wut server is the title referring to?

    D:

    Its all so confusing and scary.
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  • @Chaba.5410 said:

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:
    They're not letting you increase your under-average population.

    If your play hours are high, your population is not under-average.

    One player can play 5-6 ours while 2 players can play 2.5-3 hours so it is under-average in terms of population. Base population on population. Don't base it on playtime. If one player has to maintain 5-6 hours a day in WvW while others can play 2.5-3, it's unfair. Why is Maguuma even locked and FA? Those servers should have been unlocked a long time ago.

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:

    @Chaba.5410 said:

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:
    They're not letting you increase your under-average population.

    If your play hours are high, your population is not under-average.

    One player can play 5-6 ours while 2 players can play 2.5-3 hours so it is under-average in terms of population. Base population on population. Don't base it on playtime. If one player has to maintain 5-6 hours a day in WvW while others can play 2.5-3, it's unfair. Why is Maguuma even locked and FA? Those servers should have been unlocked a long time ago.

    A player playing 5-6 hours is contributing to longer coverage than a player who is only playing 2.5-3 hours. That's why population is based on play hours and why you are not being punished for playing longer. One player playing 5-6 hours a day is doing so by choice and the only reason they are "maintaining" that high playtime is because that's how they normally play. If they didn't play so much so often it wouldn't be reflected in the rolling average.

    You earlier used the example of JQ being locked. It was the choice of players and guilds on JQ to stop playing so that their high play hours would drop out of the rolling average and it took so long to take effect because the average is smoothed out over some unknown length of time. So a player playing 5-6 hours is doing that over a period of several weeks and increasing their server's population. But JQ is back in T1 now after that so the moral of the story should be to stop worrying about the issue. Working as intended.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

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    Week 4 : Commence #Blackout2018

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  • Aiga.3075Aiga.3075 Member ✭✭

    @cpchow.7416 said:

    FA+AR confirmed this week! You win the title of the highest population,cheers!
    With full data support by gw2wvwstats.com !

    Sadly its only that high because of the event. Once the event is over then I'm sure those numbers will go down.

  • Crazy.6029Crazy.6029 Member ✭✭✭

    Blackgate and Maguuma will be open again and maybe with links..... surprise! :) But seriously, I hear that there are guilds and players that want to go back to there servers.

  • Kaiser.9873Kaiser.9873 Member ✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:
    Is this a poor BG thread?

    Seems so sadface

  • Kaiser.9873Kaiser.9873 Member ✭✭✭

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:

    @Chaba.5410 said:

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:
    They're not letting you increase your under-average population.

    If your play hours are high, your population is not under-average.

    One player can play 5-6 ours while 2 players can play 2.5-3 hours so it is under-average in terms of population. Base population on population. Don't base it on playtime. If one player has to maintain 5-6 hours a day in WvW while others can play 2.5-3, it's unfair. Why is Maguuma even locked and FA? Those servers should have been unlocked a long time ago.

    Because one player playing 6 hours is the same amount of time as two players playing three hours each? If this is about BG, which based on the graphic OP showed it probably is, then yeah tanking for a week or two won't get the server opened.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Keep em locked til BG is a link.

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  • Roxanne.6140Roxanne.6140 Member ✭✭✭

    Tbh sometimes the gw2wvw stats site doesn't seem to reflect what is actually happening.

  • Pinko.2076Pinko.2076 Member ✭✭

    mag loses link and falls to t4 still not caring

    BG loses a ppt war and meltdowns

    also the reason players use K+d as general activity is because we don't have actual population statistics to go off of, and it's the best we have. there's a lot of info not given out on the api.

  • anonymous.7812anonymous.7812 Member ✭✭✭

    It's a little frustrating that Anet doesn't limit a guest server's population after relinks, but meh -- whatever. We'll have relinks again and they'll have to move servers again, all helping to fund GW2. If it get's Mal's and Thorton's rocks off, so be it. Have fun guys, winning really doesn't matter, you're throwing bags at BG, only a small minority cares all that much, at least enough to post publicly.

  • Acheron.4731Acheron.4731 Member ✭✭

    @cpchow.7416 said:

    @ChronosCosmos.9450 said:

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    More context is needed here. We can assume its one of the solo servers but that's about it. Also you need to list 2-3 months worth of images and pop counts. Population locks are not based on single weeks. So is this about MAG or BG?

    None. It's about Anet not keeping their 0-10% population difference and hating certain servers lol.

    Is it a Server/Racial discrimination?

    how offensive!

  • style.6173style.6173 Member ✭✭

    BG has always been low on those metrics. They coasted in the past by starting strong, going to t3 on everything and then becoming siegegate the rest of the week. Others learned their trick and now flip their towers earlier. No siege means BG doesn't fight which means they drop on the ppk metrics.

  • Evolute.6239Evolute.6239 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2018

    I hope they keep it locked for a while longer. Let the server go to T4 before you even think about undoing the lock.

    Plenty of servers are in a way worse position (DB/CD/HOD/TC) where they rely on links HEAVILY in order to keep their population up and even then they'll never be able to hold a candle to the more full servers without focusing entirely on PPT (such as SoS). Already one of those servers is almost guaranteed to be replaced by Kaineng in two weeks.

    It's been two weeks since BG lost the matchup and went to T2 in what.. well over a year and a half? And they might fall to T2 and then go back to T1 like they did last week. How horrific!

  • anonymous.7812anonymous.7812 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah! BG is "hibergating" !

    Didn't you see them lose T2 really badly last week?

    ;)

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Even BG doesn't want to be in T1 now!

    Another derailing post. ^^
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  • Lorx.8507Lorx.8507 Member ✭✭
    edited June 14, 2018

    @morrolan.9608 said:
    Meh, BG are hibergating again to get a link. There's a definite pattern, BG cannot handle losing.

    BG doesn't have enough guilds to even try that kitten lol. Anybody actually fighting BG should see that pretty plainly from the huge amount of pub players vs organized/guild play, even during weeks the server wins by a landslide. There are definitely servers capable of hibernating, but I wouldn't list BG among them. Rumors should probably start from some semblance of reality rather than circle jerks and salt.

    @anonymous.7812 said:
    It's a little frustrating that Anet doesn't limit a guest server's population after relinks, but meh -- whatever. We'll have relinks again and they'll have to move servers again, all helping to fund GW2. If it get's Mal's and Thorton's rocks off, so be it. Have fun guys, winning really doesn't matter, you're throwing bags at BG, only a small minority cares all that much, at least enough to post publicly.

    They used to limit population (50% iirc) but it was met with kickback from servers feeling kneecapped from ever being able to grow effectively. Which makes sense and is a valid concern, but probably should have been met with a real solution to that concern rather than a full removal of the system. The issue with removing the system is now you can double-stack a server, which can be a bit ridiculous. Great bags though when you fight 3-4 servers worth of people, if it's from people getting rocks rustled, let them rustle themselves.

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Even BG doesn't want to be in T1 now!

    Are they getting the red bl treatment?

  • atheria.2837atheria.2837 Member ✭✭✭

    @cpchow.7416 said:

    @Shining One.1635 said:
    From my understanding, "Activity" (Kills + Deaths) is not a factor in ArenaNet's population calculations. It's based on play hours. A 50-man zerg sitting at spawn for an hour is 50 play hours, despite having no kills or deaths.

    How could 50 man zerg contributing nothing consider as active population. You should count players in PVE as a active population with your logic.

    Oh, boy, you haven't heard of tanking?

    Join me sometime, you will see a lot of it.

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