Post Patch Balance Discussion.

IMO this patch didn't really do anything to the meta. What are your thoughts?

Byebye Daggerstorm stability.Byebye double-trippletap spam.

Thieves got a hit. Less cheese with being immortal for 4 seconds, and less riflecheese.Id rather they revert those nerfs and slaps deadeye stealthduration and/or deadeye elite making it 1 charge instead of 2 charges, and lower the CD as compensation.

Reaper was bad as it was. And now they reduced where most of the damage comes from. 30% reduction on chill of death is a joke, really.

The sword arc nerf and sword of wrath nerf for Guards is pure nonsense. That being said the new Zealous Blade sounds juicy. I combo plenty out of lightfields.

It's not bad. what was considered rifle cheese is nerfed, so Deadeyes have to work a bit harder.buff to mending will be good for peak performance wars. Maybe some wars will start pressing 6 so people can find something other than HS to whine about.Reaper nerf was ehh, but I'll need to see it in game. passive damage procs dont really hold the spec together atm.QoL on Ele, thats nice.Elusive Mind nerf, doesnt fix the main issue, but for those mesmers that NEED to move after being stunned, itll be a nice thorn in the sid-

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Wait. Confounding doesnt stun you now if you get dazed?

WHAT

Confounding suggestions nerf is a major disappointment. I've been trying to go against the grain and play power mirage instead of condi, but it seems like anet wants everyone to just play condi then.

Nerf power mirage, do nothing to condi mirage. Fine ill play condi then.

overall really good but they didn't do anything to holo

@Azure The Heartless.3261 said:(...)squints

Wait. Confounding doesnt stun you now if you get dazed?

WHAT

Haha, nice build up! :lol:

Completely random nerf. Didn't target anything that was asked for.

The rest... nothing too bad, again some (in my opinion) wrong directions for nerfs (EM, Deadeye, ...), some things ignored (holo, ele), but some good things too. It never was intended to be a big patch anyways.

K so Mesmer counterplay is now:

Bring significant condi clear because every single mes, including the ones on power chrono and power core, is going to be running condi and infinite horizon, because EM is suicide and confounding doesn't provide the damage prereq and setup their burst.

The Confounding Suggestions, nerf was the easy way to fix its bug sadly. the stun would sometimes trigger and hit people mid evade interrupting dodge animations. You ever notice mantra mesmers 1 shotting you mid dodge? Thats why. The kind of sucks though, it would've been better if they just fixed the trait.

@axelmonster.9176 said:Reaper was bad as it was. And now they reduced where most of the damage comes from. 30% reduction on chill of death is a joke, really.

Chill of Death was a joke to begin with. It provided outrageous free damage and most of the necro forum agreed that it needed to be toned down to promote more active damage.

Soaring Devastation: In addition to its other effects, this trait now grants an increased 25% movement speed when Wings of Resolve is not on cooldown.

means the running speed for dh is 25% faster or the jump is 25% faster ?

@"Endorphin.9147" said:The Confounding Suggestions, nerf was the easy way to fix its bug sadly. the stun would sometimes trigger and hit people mid evade interrupting dodge animations. You ever notice mantra mesmers 1 shotting you mid dodge? Thats why. The kind of sucks though, it would've been better if they just fixed the trait.

Yep, it is.Rifle nerfed in an 'almost" proper way. Bad deadeyes (and ones with wrong builds) will get punished for missing their abilities.I like change to EM, now it actually makes sense.

I was hoping for some soulbeast nerfs but they actually buffed it a little bit instead.

Many will have to work harder. Fine by me.

@Noha.3749 said:Byebye Daggerstorm stability.

Daggerstorm has evasion for it's entire duration since the last patch. It hardly needs stability anymore.

@Balsa.3951 said:Soaring Devastation: In addition to its other effects, this trait now grants an increased 25% movement speed when Wings of Resolve is not on cooldown.

means the running speed for dh is 25% faster or the jump is 25% faster ?

running speed

@Liza.2758 said:overall really good but they didn't do anything to holo

They did, but it didn't affect the meta holo build. Take a look at the Overshield change -- looks like they want to bring tank holos into the meta.

Overall decent changes to engi. Will have to try out the changes when I get home. I guess the lack of a Nerf shows that anet also sees Holo as a well balanced spec. Only wish scrapper would get some buffs

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Anet: Here have this Balance cookie. We still baking in Balance Cake.Forum: Where is my cake?

I can't complain, as long as a more substantial patch is in the works and this wasn't meant to replace a full balance patch.

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:Anet: Here have this Balance cookie. We still baking in Balance Cake.Forum: Where is my cake?

Quoted for emphasis.

Tbh I wouldn't mind a cake this flavor as long as it doesn't also conceal a GUN.

There is no balancing that could prevent the decline of GW2 PvP.

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:Anet: Here have this Balance cookie. We still baking in Balance Cake.Forum: Where is my cake?

We've been asking for a cake for a long time now. With the exception of Warrior, everyone is still running essentially the same builds since last year.

Protip: It feels a lot less bad when you expect nothing. This way when the balance team delivers nothing, you feel no disappointment.

Hardly touched on what's wrong with the meta?Ignored overperforming builds?Class favoritism?Insignificant changes like +1% or +1 second duration?

Shock! Dismay! Horror! It's not like this is how every balance patch is or anything.