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mesmer is trash and it needs buffs

incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭

For the past 4 months in europe mesmer has been the least represented class on high elo and there have been the least players of the mesmer class in top 30 almost consistently and the 2nd least in top 50

It's not "MY OPINION" it's hard facts, the facts are that there are more elementalists in top 20 / legendary than mesmers on average and mesmer is actually severely underpowered due to the barrage of nerfs it received and i'm not even kidding. It's basic common sense, if mesmer was anywhere near as good as people try to imply that it is - we would see it reflected in reality but the reality is that currently as i am making this thread there isn't a single mesmer in top 20. I was the only legendary mesmer until a few days ago when i decided to keep on signing anyway (and got matched with trash cus anet matchmaking can put newbies and new players with legendary elo ppl) and as it stands right now there's not a single mesmer in top 20

there isn't a single game in which said "overpowered class "is underplayed and underperforming and has kitten rates, it's just not how logic works
you dont have to take my word for it that mesmer is trash, just look at the results

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 when will you buff the weakest class in gw2?

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  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Show us the stats and win ratios for ranked as well as most used class with each person on the leader board! Like this:

    https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/played

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    I can tell this thread is gonna bait some ppl
    inb4drama

    I know my jimmies were rustled at Mesmer being weakest class in game comment...

    Then I remembered theres no such thing as Rev or Ele... hes right! Buff mes!

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    Apologies if I come off as dry or blunt.

  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2018

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    I can tell this thread is gonna bait some ppl
    inb4drama

    It's not bait, it's me mentioning facts

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Show us the stats and win ratios for ranked as well as most used class with each person on the leader board! Like this:

    https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/played

    i can open the top 50 and tell you the class of every player in there
    currently there are 4 mesmers in top 50

    with 9 classes in this game the "average" per class should be 5.5~ but mesmer is only 4 when people consistently say that it's "the most overpowered class in the game"

    under-average representation in top 50, zero mesmers in top 20

    no bait no tricks just facts

    edit: well thats no longer true cus im back in legendary and in top 20 but i've consistently been the #1 mesmer so it doesn't count, if it wasnt for me the class would have zero representation on high level

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @incisorr.9502 said:

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    I can tell this thread is gonna bait some ppl
    inb4drama

    It's not bait, it's me mentioning facts

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Show us the stats and win ratios for ranked as well as most used class with each person on the leader board! Like this:

    https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/played

    i can open the top 50 and tell you the class of every player in there
    currently there are 4 mesmers in top 50

    with 9 classes in this game the "average" per class should be 5.5~ but mesmer is only 4 when people consistently say that it's "the most overpowered class in the game"

    under-average representation in top 50, zero mesmers in top 20

    no bait no tricks just facts

    edit: well thats no longer true cus im back in legendary and in top 20 but i've consistently been the #1 mesmer so it doesn't count, if it wasnt for me the class would have zero representation on high level

    Genuinely curious. For your leaderboard what are the most and least represented players in the top 50/100 broken down by % if they play multiple classes? I.e a player counts as 0.5 thief and 0.5 mesmer if they share a 50/50 split between those professions.

    Northern Shiverpeaks (NSP)
    Deadeye (Thief)
    Commandant of P/D and Apex Predator

  • Nerf mesmer.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @HeadCrowned.6834 said:
    Nerf mesmer.

    Mes nerfmer.

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • @incisorr.9502 said:
    For the past 4 months in europe mesmer has been the least represented class on high elo and there have been the least players of the mesmer class in top 30 almost consistently and the 2nd least in top 50

    It's not "MY OPINION" it's hard facts, the facts are that there are more elementalists in top 20 / legendary than mesmers on average and mesmer is actually severely underpowered due to the barrage of nerfs it received and i'm not even kidding. It's basic common sense, if mesmer was anywhere near as good as people try to imply that it is - we would see it reflected in reality but the reality is that currently as i am making this thread there isn't a single mesmer in top 20. I was the only legendary mesmer until a few days ago when i decided to keep on signing anyway (and got matched with trash cus anet matchmaking can put newbies and new players with legendary elo ppl) and as it stands right now there's not a single mesmer in top 20

    there isn't a single game in which said "overpowered class "is underplayed and underperforming and has kitten rates, it's just not how logic works
    you dont have to take my word for it that mesmer is trash, just look at the results

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 when will you buff the weakest class in gw2?

    Didn't you just make a thread exactly like this a week or two ago?

  • everyman.4375everyman.4375 Member ✭✭✭

    Just revert portal nerf please.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2018

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:
    Just revert portal nerf please.

    It was justified

    Not really. Mesmer's of all stripes should by design should be winning matches less by direct combat and more with unusual mechanics, one of a kind utility, and unpredictably countering their opponents. The way thief uses it's unmatched mobility to win matches.

    Plus utilities that get exponentially better the more skilled the player and the more thought is put into using them is what we should want more of, not less.

    Mirage's damage out put and 1v1 potential should have been hit and portal should have been untouched.

    The portal nerf was the exact opposite direction Anet should be taking mesmer.

    Edit: Oh wait, you're the guy who was in the old portal thread who had the bulk of his contributions to that thread suddenly vanished away, almost like they were deleted by a mod for being so pointlessly hostile.

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Jesus, here we go again

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  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2018

    @saerni.2584 said:
    Genuinely curious. For your leaderboard what are the most and least represented players in the top 50/100 broken down by % if they play multiple classes? I.e a player counts as 0.5 thief and 0.5 mesmer if they share a 50/50 split between those professions.

    most people don't get to top 50 (but top 20-30 is usually more representative)by playing multiple classes because "recent-experience "is the most important thing, i have thousands of games on ele/warrior but if i played them now i wouldn't do anything cus my recent experience is only on mesmer, altho i can play ranger somewhat cus i played it a bunch but it's not on the same level
    there are a very few (less than 5, or even 3, not in game right now can't check), people that play multiple classes and their alts are usually support fb

    from my experience (not actual stats) there are the most thieves,guardians,revenants in top 50 for obvious reasons, they're the current gankers/+1 classes and this role is by far the easiest if you have some general gw2 knowledge and experience cus no line of sight teleports are way too broken and you can't really kite rev/thief so if they +1 you and are good enough to be on high elo its almost a guaranteed death unless your team reacts or you manage to get to a no-port spot but even then they can kill if they chase, you'll just make them waste more time. Generally getting away from a gank in this game is near impossible unless u have full cds or they didnt ambush you mid-fight against the enemy). at some point earlier this season we had 3-4 thieves in legendary and that was without some of the regular legendary ones that were decayed at the time. In general there are more or less even numbers of all classes except ele which is the worst class in the game but if you play it as a healer/duelist/stall you can make it work and there are 2-3 eles hovering around the top usually, and yes mesmer is also under-represented which is why i made this thread

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:

    @everyman.4375 said:
    Just revert portal nerf please.

    It was justified

    i personally don't care about portal, never liked it, didn't use it, won't use it even if its reverted. Portal payoff ((could)) be huge but the cooldown is also huge, it's not as good as people have been trying to make it sound

    the constant combat nerfs have been adding up to a point where mesmer isn't even that good any more, people just can't judge how hard it is to play mesmer because its condition dmg and for some reason everyone has a negative bias against condition dmg when in reality its actually harder to execute and to kill people with condition dmg on high level where people have their mechanics and knowledge on point and not lower level where ppl fail easy power combos or dont run condi removal.
    Altho ill admit staff does make mesmer a lot easier to play but it also makes it a lot more limited, with staff you win harder vs some matchups but can't do anything in some other situations, even if its easier to "execute"

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    Not sure if serious or just very dedicated troll.

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    When exactly do you mean?
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    And all my hope is gone"
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  • incisorr.9502incisorr.9502 Member ✭✭✭

    currently in eu top 50 there is a single mesmer in top 20 (me, so it doesn't count cus im there due to skill not class) and two other mesmers in top 50 (that are normally not top 50 players) so out of 50 people there are merely 3 mesmers

    how about that lmao

  • Abazigal.3679Abazigal.3679 Member ✭✭✭

    @incisorr.9502 said:
    currently in eu top 50 there is a single mesmer in top 20 (me, so it doesn't count cus im there due to skill not class) and two other mesmers in top 50 (that are normally not top 50 players) so out of 50 people there are merely 3 mesmers

    how about that lmao

    Thing is you do have a solid argument concerning representation upon top50, however you will most likely get answers from people who are ranked below, where you have various situations that makes mesmer relatively annoying , though being less OP than what people thing. It's hard for me to give a good answer when you have teammates getting rolled by mesmers in 3 seconds, though i generally have no issue with these 1v1.

    People basically can handle conditions at plat 2+, and generally cannot in average rating. Gives you the reason why you have so many reapers/mesmers at average, and so few at top.

  • Out of season April fool's joke?

  • Mesmer (Mirage) still very good, just, not lock yourself into a single build that may be obsolete now.

    Troll since 1982.

  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The reason why mesmer isnt very represented in the top bracket is because most of the good mesmers stopped playing or are taking a break.

  • Daishi.6027Daishi.6027 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:
    The reason why mesmer isnt very represented in the top bracket is because most of the good mesmers stopped playing or are taking a break.

    Although I agree with this statement, I think there is still something to be said about the common assertion calming about "how brokenly OP it is and how EASY" it is to succeed with. This would imply that even if a lot of people stop bothering with the chore that is ranked conquest, these spots should also be flooded by people trying to easily rank.

    People at this point are just buying into a meme. If you can avoid backstabs, and DE sniping you; you can avoid shatters and shutdown mesmers.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I agree.

    I think a trait in mirage, maybe a minor, should be Inflict 2 stacks of torment for every stack of confusion you inflict. Maybe also buff ineptitude to inflict 2 stacks of confusion for every stack of torment you inflict.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2018

    most i have met have a weakness in conditoons...do classes hve massive damaging conditions to apply? maybe mesmer need condition removal eh?

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    I agree.

    I think a trait in mirage, maybe a minor, should be Inflict 2 stacks of torment for every stack of confusion you inflict. Maybe also buff ineptitude to inflict 2 stacks of confusion for every stack of torment you inflict.

    This would be a good start, but it's still not enough. Until core guardians melt to condi it'll never be enough. Gimme MoAr.

  • dmt.1567dmt.1567 Member ✭✭

    because every mesmer that was good left the game it doesnt mean it needs buffs, you should try getting better and pick up on the multiple thousands of hours in pvp practice many top pvp players have

  • XECOR.2814XECOR.2814 Member ✭✭✭

    Maybe mesmer players are just bad?

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sampson.2403 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    I agree.

    I think a trait in mirage, maybe a minor, should be Inflict 2 stacks of torment for every stack of confusion you inflict. Maybe also buff ineptitude to inflict 2 stacks of confusion for every stack of torment you inflict.

    This would be a good start, but it's still not enough. Until core guardians melt to condi it'll never be enough. Gimme MoAr.

    I think the bigger issue is mirage needs more cover conditions. I think first they need to make mirage mirrors cause poison in addition to weakness. Then increase the range to 900 so it's more viable to land them. Finally the only real source of them is via desert distortion which already competes with the axe trait so they should be merged and also any illusion dying or being shattered creates a mirror.

    I think that would really help with cover conditions.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Farkon.2170 said:
    Mesmer needs a buff, it took me 2 days to get plat and I want it in one.

    Wait how does it take you days to get to platinum? I placed in Platinum.

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • @XECOR.2814 said:
    Maybe mesmer players are just bad?

    @dmt.1567 said:
    because every mesmer that was good left the game it doesnt mean it needs buffs, you should try getting better and pick up on the multiple thousands of hours in pvp practice many top pvp players have

    So which is it? "Mesmer so OP, any noob can play it, nerf now!". Or "mesmer players need to git gud"? Can't have it both ways logically.

  • Abazigal.3679Abazigal.3679 Member ✭✭✭

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @XECOR.2814 said:
    Maybe mesmer players are just bad?

    @dmt.1567 said:
    because every mesmer that was good left the game it doesnt mean it needs buffs, you should try getting better and pick up on the multiple thousands of hours in pvp practice many top pvp players have

    So which is it? "Mesmer so OP, any noob can play it, nerf now!". Or "mesmer players need to git gud"? Can't have it both ways logically.

    That's similar to the scourge issue that used to happen . On low/average level, it takes very little to get rolled by double mesmers + scourge ( add to it holo sometimes) : a bad setup, players in a bad mood, 1/2 less experimented players. On top level, you will always have players that know what they're running and how to at least handle these builds.

    Basically, concerning your argument, Mesmer so OP any noob can play it and climb to 1400-1500 quite easily because it's partly OP and because of solo queue common issues. On top level, you require personnal skill in addition to be better than other players.

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