Warclaw should have 1 HP and 1 dodge — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Warclaw should have 1 HP and 1 dodge

witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭

This would solve as many issues as possible without straightup removing the warclaw from WvW (which I'd prefer, but I know is unlikely).

Would it help players move accross the map? Yes.

Would it help players avoid combat in a PvP gamemode, killing certain playstyles such as roaming? No.

Would it curb stealth one shot builds? Yes, because they'd have to reveal themselves to dimount the target.

Would players get dismounted by everything? No, there's still one dodge to get you past hostile mobs and other small obstacles.

Maybe reduce mount speed slightly as well. Thoughts?

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  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ideally one would be good but two would be the compromise for both sides.

  • I'm agree for no HP, no immun CC but keep the 3 dodges.

  • Let CCs slow it down and drop the HP by half.

  • This would be great!

  • Skotlex.7580Skotlex.7580 Member ✭✭✭

    @Xtinct.7031 said:
    I would advocate a compromise, that the mounts total HP be reduced by half and cut down the dodges to just two.

    I was thinking, what if each dodge had a life cost? Imagine if each dodge would consume 2.5k ~ 3k life, then using all three dodges becomes a lot more risky when trying to bypass enemies.

    Also, a dodge could apply a debuff that keeps the mount in combat for some 5 seconds.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    I suck at this game and without mounts I'd actually have to face reality, now I can just run away from better players and call them names to mask my insecurity

    FTFY

    oh my silly friend, i'm fully aware i suck at this game.

    Then maybe stop giving feedback about things you don't understand.

    i fully understand the the things going on, i'm just don't care enough to practice/improve my skills

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  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    @Farout.8207 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Something tells me op plays thief, if you roam on anything but soulbeast/thief/mirage you're very happy about the mount. For the record op, resetting a fight 17 times isn't actually fighting, it's boring the enemy to death

    I roam on core warrior and I not happy about the mount.

    @tobin.6754 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Something tells me op plays thief, if you roam on anything but soulbeast/thief/mirage you're very happy about the mount. For the record op, resetting a fight 17 times isn't actually fighting, it's boring the enemy to death

    I roam on core war, and mount is terrible. Everyone avoid fight until they have more people, then they start getting brave and give chase.

    Alright everyone was a poor choice of wording there. Unless you're plainclothes sword/gs core i fail to see how the mount isn't all benefits tho, never had a many fights/hour before.

    This is funny because soulbeast , thief have the best chance of getting someone off the mount.

    Melee thief has a bad time dismounting it, deadeye too if you dodge, soulbeast i guess can dismount it fairly easily, but it's still less miserable than before as you can just use the mount to close the distance on them and start on melee.

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  • MithranArkanere.8957MithranArkanere.8957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    I suck at this game and without mounts I'd actually have to face reality, now I can just run away from better players and call them names to mask my insecurity

    FTFY

    oh my silly friend, i'm fully aware i suck at this game.

    Then maybe stop giving feedback about things you don't understand.

    That's not how feedback works. When someone who doesn't understand or know something gives feedback about that thing, they often indicate while doing so how they are not receiving the information they need to know what's going on.

    Just because more casual players do not know what's going on doesn't mean their collaboration is pointless. There's no bad feedback, and gatekeeping doesn't work.

    It's the same reason why there should be a specific 'cheating' report option for WvW and PvP, and the balance team should have access to those players reports. So the they get more information to determine whether a player who gets reported for cheating often but isn't cheating is receiving those reports because hey are very good, or because they are exploiting a build that is too good and needs to get addressed.

  • tobin.6754tobin.6754 Member ✭✭

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    Melee thief has a bad time dismounting it, deadeye too if you dodge, soulbeast i guess can dismount it fairly easily, but it's still less miserable than before as you can just use the mount to close the distance on them and start on melee.

    This is false.

  • Duckota.4769Duckota.4769 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @tobin.6754 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    Melee thief has a bad time dismounting it, deadeye too if you dodge, soulbeast i guess can dismount it fairly easily, but it's still less miserable than before as you can just use the mount to close the distance on them and start on melee.

    This is false.

    How so? Melee thief cant keep up with mounts for long. Especially once they put themselves in combat.

    Even if they do dismount I'd imagine they have burned their shadowstep and most of their initiative. By "I'd imagine' I mean I play a bit of core thief.

  • tobin.6754tobin.6754 Member ✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    but it's still less miserable than before as you can just use the mount to close the distance on them and start on melee.

    I haven't play thief in while, but steal + backstab should take care of the 10k hp on the mount. But mainly, what I quoted there is false, have you try to chase someone on mount with a warrior?

  • Duckota.4769Duckota.4769 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @tobin.6754 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    but it's still less miserable than before as you can just use the mount to close the distance on them and start on melee.

    I haven't play thief in while, but steal + backstab should take care of the 10k hp on the mount. But mainly, what I quoted there is false, have you try to chase someone on mount with a warrior?

    Yeah I have. I play core warrior and core thief, and I do not use mainhand dagger on core thief. I use sword/dagger. Therefore backstab isnt an option. Also every single objective in the game now marks for some reason. So everything reveals. Meaning on a lot of the map you cant even backstab. Specifically enemy sentries or towers. Which are both objectives that are bound to have high mount traffic.

  • zinkz.7045zinkz.7045 Member ✭✭✭

    @Duckota.4769 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    I suck at this game and without mounts I'd actually have to face reality, now I can just run away from better players and call them names to mask my insecurity

    FTFY

    oh my silly friend, i'm fully aware i suck at this game.

    Then maybe stop giving feedback about things you don't understand.

    Saying that when suggesting the mount should have 1 HP and 1 dodge is just beyond ridiculous

    In other MMOs getting put in combat means you get dismounted instantly.

    You've obviously not played ESO.

  • Duckota.4769Duckota.4769 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @zinkz.7045 said:

    @Duckota.4769 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    I suck at this game and without mounts I'd actually have to face reality, now I can just run away from better players and call them names to mask my insecurity

    FTFY

    oh my silly friend, i'm fully aware i suck at this game.

    Then maybe stop giving feedback about things you don't understand.

    Saying that when suggesting the mount should have 1 HP and 1 dodge is just beyond ridiculous

    In other MMOs getting put in combat means you get dismounted instantly.

    You've obviously not played ESO.

    Nah I havent. Sounds like they got it wrong too by your comment though lol.

    Edit: I lied. I have, but not long at all and definitely not far enough for anything competitive as the core game experience early on bored me.

  • No.
    I agree it needs some adjustment on the hp and the dodge frames to make it more vulnerable, but 1 hp and 1 dodge? What heck.

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  • Duckota.4769Duckota.4769 Member ✭✭✭

    @JasonLucas.4981 said:
    No.
    I agree it needs some adjustment on the hp and the dodge frames to make it more vulnerable, but 1 hp and 1 dodge? What heck.

    I assumed they meant being put in combat by a player dismounts you and that npc or siege damage uses the health pool. Not 1hp across the board. Maybe I was assuming too much lol.

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    @tobin.6754 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    but it's still less miserable than before as you can just use the mount to close the distance on them and start on melee.

    I haven't play thief in while, but steal + backstab should take care of the 10k hp on the mount. But mainly, what I quoted there is false, have you try to chase someone on mount with a warrior?

    That still isn't guaranteed and you can dodge it, also it means their biggest offensive cd (steal) is on CD so they can't do their proper burst on you. So you can counterpressure til they reset and then you can mount again. They usually give up after just 1 or 2 burst attempts instead of the previous 20+ attempts and you can actually get somewhere in between. This is really good for the game imo as 15+ resets is the most boring thing I've encountered in any game.

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  • Tinnel.4369Tinnel.4369 Member ✭✭✭

    @tobin.6754 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:

    but it's still less miserable than before as you can just use the mount to close the distance on them and start on melee.

    I haven't play thief in while, but steal + backstab should take care of the 10k hp on the mount. But mainly, what I quoted there is false, have you try to chase someone on mount with a warrior?

    Steal backstab a target you can't cc that's moving? I haven't played dagger thief in awhile either, but. . .

  • Just let cripple work on it.

  • DeadlySynz.3471DeadlySynz.3471 Member ✭✭✭

    The only thing this would solve is bringing ganking back again. Not going to happen. The best thing you could hope for is a trap that instantly dismounts people, and don't expect that for a few months to see how things pan out.

    Some players are just going to have to face reality that they cannot camp in the enemy's 3rd anymore running from camp to camp ganking people who likely aren't using a build or gear capable of dealing with the ganker. Time to change the build and gear and go participate in the group on your map instead or go to PvP.

  • tobin.6754tobin.6754 Member ✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019

    @Tinnel.4369 said:
    Steal backstab a target you can't cc that's moving? I haven't played dagger thief in awhile either, but. . .

    steal+backstab combo is instant, 1 hit the mount and the player is stun. You're not gonna be able to do it while chasing someone, but you can catch them running by. Better than what most other class can do vs people on mount.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    why not just something simple like being dismounted once you're put in combat?

    Just to deal with mounted players, Ive been forced into some builds that I dont enjoy, I like my bruiser builds.

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  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Duckota.4769 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    I suck at this game and without mounts I'd actually have to face reality, now I can just run away from better players and call them names to mask my insecurity

    FTFY

    oh my silly friend, i'm fully aware i suck at this game.

    Then maybe stop giving feedback about things you don't understand.

    Saying that when suggesting the mount should have 1 HP and 1 dodge is just beyond ridiculous

    No he had a point. You shouldn't give feedback on things you don't understand in a matter of fact way. OP isn't wrong. In other MMOs getting put in combat means you get dismounted instantly. Nobody has an issue with how mounts work there. Why? Because that is where it started. Balanced. Offers mobility. No combat advantages. Which is what this should have been and is almost what we were told it would be.

    no, he didn't. you don't need to be a pro mlg gamer to understand the game or recognize when somebody is salty because his cheese tactics have become harder to pull off

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  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Duckota.4769 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Duckota.4769 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    I suck at this game and without mounts I'd actually have to face reality, now I can just run away from better players and call them names to mask my insecurity

    FTFY

    oh my silly friend, i'm fully aware i suck at this game.

    Then maybe stop giving feedback about things you don't understand.

    Saying that when suggesting the mount should have 1 HP and 1 dodge is just beyond ridiculous

    No he had a point. You shouldn't give feedback on things you don't understand in a matter of fact way. OP isn't wrong. In other MMOs getting put in combat means you get dismounted instantly. Nobody has an issue with how mounts work there. Why? Because that is where it started. Balanced. Offers mobility. No combat advantages. Which is what this should have been and is almost what we were told it would be.

    no, he didn't. you don't need to be a pro mlg gamer to understand the game or recognize when somebody is salty because his cheese tactics have become harder to pull off

    Just because I kill you doesnt mean Im playing something cheesy. It means you're out of position and/or I'm the better player. That is all. Why is everyone so sensitive about this. If I'm not the better player. Then you were out of position. If I am the better player... Then your positioning wouldnt have been relevant if I was already attacking you. You guys looking for safe places even in pvp game modes now. Participation trophies galore.

    that's completely irrelevant to my argument. i can apreciate a good player but the ppl who're crying that mounts killed roaming because they can't kill ppl that don't want to fight them aren't good players. and before you say it, no, the reason ppl don't want to fight gankers is not because they're pve scrubs that want a safespace, it's because ppl want large scale pvp and gankers are wasting their time.

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  • Sigmoid.7082Sigmoid.7082 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    a easy way to dismount is rly needed, having a hard time geting ANY figths at all now

    What you are describing isn't really a fight.

  • Sansar.1302Sansar.1302 Member ✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019

    @Sigmoid.7082 said:

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    a easy way to dismount is rly needed, having a hard time geting ANY figths at all now

    What you are describing isn't really a fight.

    and what would you know about that ? where you there did you see the classes and numbers i tried to figth ?

  • Sansar.1302Sansar.1302 Member ✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019

    Dont know what to say , i came fore open world pvp 6 years ago, now it looks open but is not.
    did have no problem at all defending myself 1v1 or getting back to tag in zerg gear

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pache.9406 said:
    Seems to me like you suck at this game. And you have to face reality now, that you can't gank better players, and have to either face them on a real fight, or finally get good at the game, stop them from escaping, and earn the kill for the first time in your life. Stay salty!

    What?? There are far and few builds that can force dismount

  • Clownmug.8357Clownmug.8357 Member ✭✭✭

    So according to most people here, most players are either a glassy zergling or a 1 shot ganker. If that's the case, can someone explain why dealing 10k damage to someone not fighting back is so hard?

  • Spartacus.3192Spartacus.3192 Member ✭✭✭
    1. 6K HP
    2. 2 dodges only
    3. 1 stack of stability (10 min duration) applied when you mount up only.

    The stability will help you survive the first hard CC but is only applied once when you mount up. If you get CC the stability is removed and you get put into combat. You will need to dismount, get out of combat and re mount to get the stability again.

  • tobin.6754tobin.6754 Member ✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    Ignorant players like this are the ones to simple in the head to realize That attitude promotes the death of the game lmao. Yes all players that have rolled my unskilled kitten has left me but hurt so I want them all to quit and leave the game than names a third of the classes lol unreal

    This ^^

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