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Legendary Fractal Armor

There was a topic I can't find it now.
Let me refresh this request. With upcoming build temples etc, please consider giving us Legendary Fractal Armors.
At the moment we can get ascended with selectable stats from fractal vendor. It has default ascended(craft) skins.
Would be nice to get fractal themed skins and way to upgrade ascended into legendary.
Seriously I don't know any other mod where stat swaps could be used as intense as in fractals. maybe sPvP.
But anyway. Game needs mat sink and play-time added for goal(s). Fractals deserve to have own set of legendary armor.

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  • After the mixed reaction to raid legendary armor, I doubt ANet's going to ever again try to design another set.

    So I think you'd get more traction from ANet (and fans) for a non-legendary armor with a fractal theme and/or a method of obtaining stat-selectable armor from fractal rewards. However, I don't think either are likely any time soon, until there's a substantial fraction of those with excessive fractal relics. I don't expect that ANet will spend a lot of energy creating a reward that competes for relics, given how few have completed the fractal titles.

    As a practical matter, it would probably also require challenge modes, and there remain only two fractals with CM as an option.

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  • VanWilder.6923VanWilder.6923 Member ✭✭✭

    I am all for it. +1

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2019

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    After the mixed reaction to raid legendary armor, I doubt ANet's going to ever again try to design another set.

    So I think you'd get more traction from ANet (and fans) for a non-legendary armor with a fractal theme and/or a method of obtaining stat-selectable armor from fractal rewards. However, I don't think either are likely any time soon, until there's a substantial fraction of those with excessive fractal relics. I don't expect that ANet will spend a lot of energy creating a reward that competes for relics, given how few have completed the fractal titles.

    As a practical matter, it would probably also require challenge modes, and there remain only two fractals with CM as an option.

    A set of ascended armor from fractals is about 3k relics compared to first tier of attunment 25k it's nothing, then again not everyone running fractals want to get those enrichments.
    As to be practical, there is no legendary asks for CMs why would fractal one do that?

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  • Asum.4960Asum.4960 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2019

    I always liked the fractal theme of skins like Ad Infinitum or the base Fractal Weapons and would really like to see an armor of that style, worthy of being a legendary.

    And although I know I'm part of a very small minority of years long avid Fractal players who have completed pretty much all there is to get from Fractals, such as Ad Infinitum, Omni Potion, Fractal God etc., I have so many Cosmic Essences, Research Pages, Stabilizing Matrices, various Mist Essences and so on piling up in my Bank, that I would love for them to add a new worthwhile sink to the game mode.

    In general I enjoy skins that aren't just shiny/expensive, but represent something in the game, such as mastery or commitment to a game mode.

    And quite frankly, whenever I end up having to pug Fractals again, I think the game mode really needs some incentive for new people to join to try it out, as well as getting good at it.
    The amount of decent players who actively play CM's etc., seems to dwindle at an alarming rate, with LFG's, even at prime time, taking obscenely long for a primary endgame game mode.

    I can only imagine how hard it is now days to get into Fractals, especially running CM's, with barely any other new players motivated to tackle that content around to grow as players together.

    While the Titles are nice for Veteran Fractal players, Fractals, imo, needs a potentially repeatable reward, like Legendary Armor, that is attractive for people who aren't already playing the content and veterans alike, to entice new players as well as retaining veteran players.

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  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @steki.1478 said:
    Would be nice to fix raid armor first.

    Why fix raids armour?

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  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Talindra.4958 said:

    @steki.1478 said:
    Would be nice to fix raid armor first.

    Why fix raids armour?

    Because it has bugs and missing features. Examples are transformations that stay even when not in combat and 4th dye channel for aura.

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  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I’d really like to see a new legendary armor set (with uniquely legendary skins, not like they did for competitive modes) for fractals or General PvE. They could also do a legendary armor piece for each episode in season 5, assuming it too will have 6 episodes. They’ll be out of weapons by then anyway, unless they revisit underwater ones, which would also be amazing

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  • Shadowmoon.7986Shadowmoon.7986 Member ✭✭✭

    Honestly just learn2raid. You dont even need to get gud, you can get 4 li a week from the brain dead encounters, escort, mo, spirit run and twisted castle. The power creep has been so bad that the hot encounters trivial.
    If fractals need another reward, add a ring or accessory, hell id love a legendary aqua breather before the 4th legendary armor option. Can we please finish all the slots first before we start doubling up.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2019

    @Fenom.9457 said:
    I’d really like to see a new legendary armor set (with uniquely legendary skins, not like they did for competitive modes) for fractals or General PvE. They could also do a legendary armor piece for each episode in season 5, assuming it too will have 6 episodes. They’ll be out of weapons by then anyway, unless they revisit underwater ones, which would also be amazing

    I'm almost sure this is what going to happen with season 5 maps. They literally have nothing else to offer for maps to stay alive. I might be wrong tho.

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Honestly just learn2raid. You dont even need to get gud, you can get 4 li a week from the brain dead encounters, escort, mo, spirit run and twisted castle. The power creep has been so bad that the hot encounters trivial.
    If fractals need another reward, add a ring or accessory, hell id love a legendary aqua breather before the 4th legendary armor option. Can we please finish all the slots first before we start doubling up.

    Honestly I don't want to. been there, done that.
    Fractals deserve to have legendary armor as the most successful group content in game, Way successful then raids, wvw and pvp.

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  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2019

    I've always been in favor of another legendary set for pve outside of raids. I think I've also mentioned some things which I believe would need to be present such as:

    Higher cost versus other game modes and raids
    No, this isn't me being a raid elitist. This is me realizing that legendary armor is a fraction of the cost of ANY other legendary gear. PvE being the main game mode for many people, legendary armor would need some kind of price increase or the incentives for other game modes would be gone.
    To cheap legendary armor would remove significance of ascended gear
    Ties in to the above, ascended weapons and armor gear costs approximately the same at around 50 gold per piece. Legendary weapons are significantly more expensive (at 1k gold per minimum) versus legendary armor (at around 300 gold per piece). This is partly offset by the time gate.
    Time gate
    Unfortunately this would also need to be present. Might be offset by a very high gold price.
    Armor is more useful than weapons
    Legendary armor is more useful than legendary weapons. Armor works for all builds, same as trinkets. Weapons only work for specific builds and are usually role locked too.
    Maybe Fractals or Living Story
    Both would work, I would prefer fractals to encourage this game aspect, but Maybe a Season 5 special could encourage a lot of players to engage more in living world content.

    Now going by how legendary weapons cost around 20 times what ascended weapons costs, we are looking at around 6k gold for an entire armor set. Given how armor is more useful than weapons (and by the price of legendary trinkets being even above weapons). I'd imagine 8-10k gold as target cost. Probably more towards the high end.

  • Pirindolo.9427Pirindolo.9427 Member ✭✭✭

    I agree, fractals are a very important part of the game in many aspects and the long term effort required for a legendary amor set would encourage people to keep playing them.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

  • Pirindolo.9427Pirindolo.9427 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2019

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

    Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

    Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

    What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.
    What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

    Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

    What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.
    What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

    Unique skin if added to fractals.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

    Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

    What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.
    What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

    Unique skin if added to fractals.

    I'll take them faceless as well.

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

    Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

    What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.
    What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

    Unique skin if added to fractals.

    I'll take them faceless as well.

    Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

    Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

    What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.
    What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

    Unique skin if added to fractals.

    I'll take them faceless as well.

    Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

    Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?

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  • Asum.4960Asum.4960 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2019

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Honestly just learn2raid. You dont even need to get gud, you can get 4 li a week from the brain dead encounters, escort, mo, spirit run and twisted castle. The power creep has been so bad that the hot encounters trivial.
    If fractals need another reward, add a ring or accessory, hell id love a legendary aqua breather before the 4th legendary armor option. Can we please finish all the slots first before we start doubling up.

    I'm working on my 3rd Legendary Armor from raids (with a 4th and 5th getting close to being done from PvP and WvW), so I'm not sure what that has to do with being in favour of a Fractal Armor set, or what such a reward could do for that game mode.

    Raid armor is by far the easiest and quickest armor you can get and I don't see the possibility of a Fractal armor at all as an easier or quicker alternative to that.
    It could require a lot of CM completions (and encourage more development of Fractal CM's) and be therefore easily on par with the Raid requirement, while revitalizing the Fractal CM scene and provide a repeatable worthwhile reward for long time Fractal players.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

    Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?

    Because Ayrilana is a Status Quo supporter. There's currently no legendary fractal armor, so there should be no legendary fractal armor in the future. As soon as it is added however, it will become something to be defended.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • I'm not convinced by the arguments presented that the game needs more sources of legendary armor. It's an incentive for raids, for WvW, and for PvP. There are already plenty of incentives to PvE or Fractal. Plus, I think games are more interesting when there are some substantive rewards exclusive to each type of content.

    I'm not against the idea. (In fact, I'd probably pursue it instead of Fractal God.) I just don't think "because I want to swap stats and I don't want to raid or WvW" is enough to convince ANet it's worth the time or effort to figure out how to implement it.

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  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2019

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

    Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

    What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.
    What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

    Unique skin if added to fractals.

    I'll take them faceless as well.

    Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

    Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?

    Should we add a set for the jump puzzle enthusiasts aswell since people like doing that?

    If they need to change stats on gear for JPs, why not.

    Yeah I don't want to raid, raids in this game suxxx big time. I raid in game specialized on raids.
    What Anet does well is open world and fractals. That is what I do here. I'm lv 126 in PvP had 5 seasons of play. Nope. I'm pvping in game specialized for PvP now.
    WvW? That is even more sad story then raids and pvp together.

    What I'm asking is to give us a way to get convenient item from the mod where those could and would be used more intense then wvw/pvp and raids together.

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

    Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?

    Because Ayrilana is a Status Quo supporter. There's currently no legendary fractal armor, so there should be no legendary fractal armor in the future. As soon as it is added however, it will become something to be defended.

    No. Rely less on hyperboles and personal attacks please.

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    I've always been in favor of another legendary set for pve outside of raids. I think I've also mentioned some things which I believe would need to be present such as:

    Higher cost versus other game modes and raids
    No, this isn't me being a raid elitist. This is me realizing that legendary armor is a fraction of the cost of ANY other legendary gear. PvE being the main game mode for many people, legendary armor would need some kind of price increase or the incentives for other game modes would be gone.
    To cheap legendary armor would remove significance of ascended gear
    Ties in to the above, ascended weapons and armor gear costs approximately the same at around 50 gold per piece. Legendary weapons are significantly more expensive (at 1k gold per minimum) versus legendary armor (at around 300 gold per piece). This is partly offset by the time gate.
    Time gate
    Unfortunately this would also need to be present. Might be offset by a very high gold price.
    Armor is more useful than weapons
    Legendary armor is more useful than legendary weapons. Armor works for all builds, same as trinkets. Weapons only work for specific builds and are usually role locked too.
    Maybe Fractals or Living Story
    Both would work, I would prefer fractals to encourage this game aspect, but Maybe a Season 5 special could encourage a lot of players to engage more in living world content.

    Now going by how legendary weapons cost around 20 times what ascended weapons costs, we are looking at around 6k gold for an entire armor set. Given how armor is more useful than weapons (and by the price of legendary trinkets being even above weapons). I'd imagine 8-10k gold as target cost. Probably more towards the high end.

    I definitely agree with this, the general idea that legendary armor outside of raids, if we were to get a new set, should be much harder in terms of time commitment, currency cost, and content played, since each bit of content will be easier.

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  • Pirindolo.9427Pirindolo.9427 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    The real problem (for most people that see a problem in it) is not how easy or hard it would be getting the fractal legendary armor. It's, as always, that they want to keep the exclusivity.

    I don't believe it should be put behind a lot of CM completions, because CM and raids are common target of the same kind of players, and have the same level of difficulty, so it would add nothing new: the same players that are raiding and collecting legendary armor sets would have a second way to keep doing the same, while the majority of players that run average fractals day after day would be unable to participate.

    But hard and long term goal? yes, indeed. Besides, they could be a (much needed) sink for rare drops like gold fractal relics, dark matter, etc.

  • I support the idea that we should have fractal legendary armor and I don't understand why it's not a thing already. What I don't agree with is that it should be more expensive in terms of materials (why the hell is that even discussed), but there should be more gameplay content required for obtaining it. I don't even mind hiding it behind CMs as these are already required for the backpack (except 99 and 100 so these could be also included). I wouldn't say doing fractals is that much easier and it's definitely not cheaper, though I do know raids are more difficult.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @BatelGeuce.3591 said:
    I support the idea that we should have fractal legendary armor and I don't understand why it's not a thing already. What I don't agree with is that it should be more expensive in terms of materials (why the hell is that even discussed)

    Simple, all legendary gear which can be acquire without any commitment to content or with huge amounts of gold is vastly more expensive.

    When legendary armor was initially introduced it was meant as a raid only reward. The price was adjusted accordingly as to reflect the commitment people had to make to beating challenging content. Another assumption which was likely part of that decision was the limited amount of players who would actually be able to acquire this. I disagreed with the low cost then and I'm quite certain with knowledge of 3 years in, the developers would have made the armor more expensive but now we are stuck with this price.

    Then legendary armor was introduced to spvp and wvw, leaving only the skin exclusive to raids. The price was kept similar to raid armor (imagine the outrage if it didn't) but the idea of limited availability remained the same. Even now people want PvE legendary armor when both spvp and wvw require NO SKILL at all, simply time. It stands to reason that a vast majority of PvE players will not engage in spvp and wvw at any cost.

    Without commitment to difficult content with at the same time a wider availability, it stands to reason that the price for legendary armor needs to be adjusted to fit other legendary gear which is available in the same manner. Legendary weapons, and especially legendary trinkets which are more similar to armor with their usefulness, are both vastly more expensive. I've made note of that in this thread. To assume that a general PvE legendary set will get introduced which remains as cost efficient as any of the current existing sets is unrealistic. It would directly invalidate ascended gear.

    @BatelGeuce.3591 said:
    but there should be more gameplay content required for obtaining it. I don't even mind hiding it behind CMs as these are already required for the backpack (except 99 and 100 so these could be also included). I wouldn't say doing fractals is that much easier and it's definitely not cheaper, though I do know raids are more difficult.

    Fractal 99 and 100 CM are on a way different level and actually beat some raid content as far as difficulty goes. I don't count those "challenge motes" in sub tier 4 as in any way fractal challenge modes. That's hilarious. Those are minor inconveniences at best. Do a 99 CM or 100 CM and you'd understand. The fractal backpiece is merely time consuming and in no way challenging.

  • Fractal 99 and 100 CM are on a way different level and actually beat some raid content as far as difficulty goes. I don't count those "challenge motes" in sub tier 4 as in any way fractal challenge modes. That's hilarious. Those are minor inconveniences at best.

    I might have said it wrong. CM's are the way to go with this, not material cost increase. They can make fractals more challenging by adding CMs to other scales, not just 99 and 100. Thought I wouldn't mind if you had to actually craft the precursors and not just get the full set for a collection.

    Do a 99 CM or 100 CM and you'd understand. The fractal backpiece is merely time consuming and in no way challenging.

    I do both 99 and 100 CM, also the backpack was not that time consuming (though now they say it takes time to get a group to do the CMs required for it).

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    Raids are as much PvE as fractals.

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Who said "easy"?

    Anything in Fractals or open world would be easy.

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I’m in favor of the skins being added but not as part of a new easy legendary armor set.

    Legendary back items from fractals is the most grindy and expensive back there is, no one is talking of 'easy'

    It’s easy because the game mode wouldn’t offer the ability to challenge players.

    Although, now that I’m thinking about it more, fractals do have CM’s and I suppose that that could work.

    It can't be easier then slaking in wvw or afking in pvp

    Those were only added only because players complained long enough about how unfair that it was that PvE got legendary armor. I could understand it being added to WvW but what does an sPvP need with it? WvW offer little opportunity to test skill, compared to PvE, so of course it’s end up being basically a grind/time sink.

    What on earth legendary armor that is convenient item does with skill test. In any other game my top tier gear, weapon had something to offer and I had to go and test my skills, get that BiS and have my games pride cherished.
    What is legendary anything offers here beyond convenience? Nothing that is all.

    Unique skin if added to fractals.

    I'll take them faceless as well.

    Why not just grind out WvW or sPvP then?

    Why not support my idea and let me get convenient item from the mod I like doing?

    Should we add a set for the jump puzzle enthusiasts aswell since people like doing that?

    If they need to change stats on gear for JPs, why not.

    Yeah I don't want to raid, raids in this game suxxx big time. I raid in game specialized on raids.
    What Anet does well is open world and fractals. That is what I do here. I'm lv 126 in PvP had 5 seasons of play. Nope. I'm pvping in game specialized for PvP now.
    WvW? That is even more sad story then raids and pvp together.

    What I'm asking is to give us a way to get convenient item from the mod where those could and would be used more intense then wvw/pvp and raids together.

    ^ if you are not willing to take part in any of the 3 valid methods to get gear, then you should not have it.

    i only gather resources on 27 different characters, i deseve legendary gear to be dropped through iron and wood harvesting nodes

    edit: nvm you are that dude from the slippery slope and birds thread, yea...you even fail at that content to adapt and improve, i doubt fractal legendary gear would be suited for you aswell

  • Hyper Cutter.9376Hyper Cutter.9376 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @melandru.3876 said:
    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    PVE isn't covered by raids, because that completely ignores the non-raiders that make up the overwhelming majority of the PVE playerbase.

    There is literally no reason you can't craft legendary armor the same way you make the weapons, beyond Anet using it to bait people into a game mode they knew would fail otherwise.

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    @Hyper Cutter.9376 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    PVE isn't covered by raids, because that completely ignores the non-raiders that make up the overwhelming majority of the PVE playerbase.

    There is literally no reason you can't craft legendary armor the same way you make the weapons, beyond Anet using it to bait people into a game mode they knew would fail otherwise.

    "overwhelminng majority of the pve playerbase" i love when people bring that up
    the "majority" as you like to call it, does neither raids nor fractals because they are to casual for it

    the majority has spoken, no legendarty gear for anyone

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @Hyper Cutter.9376 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    PVE isn't covered by fractals, because that completely ignores the non-fractal runners that make up the overwhelming majority of the PVE playerbase.

    There is literally no reason you can't craft legendary armor the same way you make the weapons, beyond Anet using it to bait people into a game mode they knew would fail otherwise.

    Fixed

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.
    Again I have played 5 season in spvp have enough ascended shards and league tickets to make 1,5 set.
    I'm refreshing this topic with request, to have option to make Fractal Legendary Armor.

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  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor.

    slow claps on you attempts to joke.

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  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    Raids are as much PvE as fractals.

    True, which is why a truly PvE set should stick to core PvE content, not be limited to one type of an instanced one.

    @phs.6089 said:
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    Actually, full hellfire/radiant set is more legendary than that.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    doublepost

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