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Do you feel like the current LW season provides expac-level content?

Expansion level content? 185 votes

Yeah.
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No, the new maps arent expac-level
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No, because were not getting new especs.
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No, for some other reason.
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  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, the new maps arent expac-level

    Wooden Potatoes kinda summed up my thoughts in one of his recent videos. If you go back to Grothmar (or the first half of Bjora Marches), you'll see nothing has changed, so it's likely these maps aren't as volatile as some players might have hoped. Which is mildly disapointing, because that would just make this living world season 5 when it was hyped up to be anything but.

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, for some other reason.

    No, because it's only just started.

  • Xenon.4537Xenon.4537 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2020
    No, for some other reason.

    No, because no elite specs, no new "mount-esque" features, maps are on par with living world, story is extremely short, reward structures are bad, etc.

    On reward structures: The boreal weapons are fine. There's a nice progression involving new map currency and crafting resources. The final skins look alright. Good stuff. But the new armor? Are you kidding? Why abandon the systems you developed for elegy and mist armors? They weren't perfect, but your solution is to go all the way back to pure RNG? Really? And what if you don't like the boreal weapons? There's really nothing else to go for. I hope you enjoy emotes.

    The only redeeming quality is that the story is decent. Short, but interesting. I feel like I'm watching a mini-series. I'm ready for the full show. Come on.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    I'll judge after the Season/Saga is over.

    Keep in mind that the developers said that we are -already- getting expansion level content, saying that cooking at 500 and build templates are expansion level features. Even though the cooking update came before the Saga started.

    Answering the question regarding expansion-tier features:

    If you look at the history of what we’ve been doing, cooking 500 was another one of these things. Obviously, built-in gear templates are one of those things that we would want to consider in there.

    The real question on the topic: "What is expansion level content?" and would most likely have many many different answers depending on the player asked.

  • No, because were not getting new especs.

    Although it took them 2 living world episodes, bjora feels like a fairly well done map now, with plenty to do. and grothmar is always fun due to its great events.
    But the fact that it takes 2 episode to do this, and that the story is so tied to the map events rather than having their own experiences, for me feels like a really lackluster expansion experience.
    And yeah the vote, we want E specs :(

  • xDudisx.5914xDudisx.5914 Member ✭✭✭
    No, because were not getting new especs.

    For now the so called Saga is no different from the previous LW seasons. Every episode is just:
    -Add one map with a tiny portion of story;
    -Add a new currency and some weak skins;
    -Add some filler mastery;

    The biggest thing about HoT and PoF were the elite specs and meaningful masteries (glider and mounts). Those masteries and the elite specs changed the gameplay of all game modes in all maps. The elite specs create new and fun ways to play your class. The elite specs change the meta of wvw, spvp, fractals, pve raids, etc. They brought some fresh air to all game modes.

    The upcoming big class balance will probably be more meaningful to the game than the "Saga".

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Amaranthe.3578 said:
    Do you feel like the current LW season provides expac-level content?

    One yes and three no options.
    Your poll is flawed.

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Wasn't there just a thread on this earlier today/yesterday?

    I'll judge after the Season/Saga is over.

    This one? https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/96612/what-is-expansion-level

    But, yeah, we need to wait for the season to end to determine whether or not it equals "expansion-like" content because that is precisely what was advertised.

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yeah.

    We got a new way to play PvE with the Strikes. This happened with both xpacs (raids in HoT and bounties in PoF), too.
    We got anew kind of Mastery Points.
    We got a new design of the launcher.

    This all equals to expansion level, even if other expansion level stuff (like especs and new stat combinations) is absent.

  • Thereon.3495Thereon.3495 Member ✭✭✭
    No, for some other reason.

    My vote = not at the moment (my personal feeling) but...

    This whole Saga =/= Expansion talk that a lot of players are talking about cannot be valid until after the Saga has ended. Sure at the moment it does not seem like we are receiving expansion worthy content but who knows what will come in future episodes? That_Shaman data-mined the fact that the Scroll book has 8 slots so potentially we're looking at 6 more full maps bringing at least 6 more episodes (maybe more if they're split) so who knows what they can add to the game in the next 6x2 months!

  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭
    No, for some other reason.

    I think both the story and the maps can potentially be on the level of the expansions. I can even see the story becoming better than HoT and PoF story.

    However, what I really see as a difference between expacs and LW is the introduction of completely new systems in expacs, while LW then builds on those systems. With HoT we got among others: the mastery system, gliding, the raids system, guild halls, elite specs.
    For PoF most notably the mounts.

    The LW seasons added smaller, more gimmicky masteries on top of that and introduced new mounts. But no fundamental changes, just building on the foundation laid out by the expacs.
    In that light the Icebrood Saga so far is clearly a LW season and not an expac. The masteries are gimmicky and barely useful on the maps they are introduced on, completely useless everywhere else. No major systematic changes to the gameplay in sight. (Cooking 500 is also just building on existing features and the build "templates" are a joke.)
    Of course I'll wait and see, Anet is quite good at surprising us from time to time. However, I am expecting this to continue to be only a LW season.

  • @xDudisx.5914 said:

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Unfortunately, just because one does not appreciate certain content, that does not mean it's not new.

    Who said it is not new content? OP asked if it is "expac-lvl content" not if it is new or not. Straw man fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) ....

    The post above the one you quoted. Thread best if read in order.
    @Xenon.4537 said:
    What new content? Press F to destroy a totem? Press F to solve another light puzzle? Seriously maybe I'm missing the new content in east-side. Where is it?

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1147010/#Comment_1147010

  • Amaranthe.3578Amaranthe.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, because were not getting new especs.

    So far its a vast majority for No.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not voting because i won't judge the content before its released.
    It's only the first chapter. I'll judge at the end of anet delivered or threw dolyak excrement.

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  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Wooden Potatoes kinda summed up my thoughts in one of his recent videos. If you go back to Grothmar (or the first half of Bjora Marches), you'll see nothing has changed, so it's likely these maps aren't as volatile as some players might have hoped. Which is mildly disapointing, because that would just make this living world season 5 when it was hyped up to be anything but.

    This would only be logical, ever since in season 1 people only complained about missing out, and ArenaNet has been pretty adamant since then about not changing previous content too much.

    It is a catch 22 , either the maps and events evolve at the cost of losing content, or we keep everything without losing those and it will be less sensational.

  • Your pole options are bad. But that's not exactly unusual.

    But it's important to consider that we are only 3 out of 9 episodes (based on the portal tome) into the season, so we won't have all that "expansion level stuff" yet.

    Judge when we get to episode 5, at the earliest.

    I have a theory/hope we'll be getting one thing of big expansion-level quality with Episode 3, and such is why they've not mentioned it yet despite its release supposedly to be mid-March (still Q1 yet they covered their Q1 stuff in that blog post).

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  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, because were not getting new especs.

    @thepenmonster.3621 said:

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    I'll judge after the Season/Saga is over.

    This the correct approach

    This would have been my approach except that the question is about the current content. There is still plenty of room for the Saga as a whole to add up to an expansion, but so far it's a slow start. As I was saddened when they originally said elites would only come with expansions -- I had hoped some LS releases or balance patches would include elites -- I now feel that without that major update to playstyles it's not truly expansion level.

    Which doesn't mean I'm not enjoying it, or that I am in any way upset that it's not expansion level content. I just don't think what's come so far quite meets what I define as an expansion or currently holds indications that it will.

  • No, because were not getting new especs.

    No, so far it seems like the bare minimum to keep a semblance of progress, while they are no doubt funneling all resources to their console game

  • Adul.1520Adul.1520 Member ✭✭✭
    No, for some other reason.

    The two main reasons why Living World is not expansion level content are its lack of headlining features and its bite-sized delivery. Due to these two factors, it cannot generate the same level of excitement in the playerbase, nor does it attract new and returning players as effectively as an expansion could.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, the new maps arent expac-level

    It is not expansion level content. But Anet did not promise expansion level content anyway. It is the same as last LW.

  • No, the new maps arent expac-level

    I like how they are adding to the new map, but it shows how design is affected when you get content piecemeal. My favorite maps are the PoF maps due to there moderate complexity and their massive size. While technically Bjora Marches has been expanded upon, the fact that it is not being delivered all at once results in the issue of having a massive wall in the middle of it. Dynamic events stay in their respective areas too. Only real difference between what we got and two separate maps is not having a loading screen between the two sections. Also, I do really want another elite spec. My warrior needs more weapons xD

  • @Donari.5237 said:
    the question is about the current content.

    Then the question remains meaningless for the same reasons: Not enough to judge it by.

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  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Your pole options are bad. But that's not exactly unusual.

    But it's important to consider that we are only 3 out of 9 episodes (based on the portal tome) into the season, so we won't have all that "expansion level stuff" yet.

    Judge when we get to episode 5, at the earliest.

    I have a theory/hope we'll be getting one thing of big expansion-level quality with Episode 3, and such is why they've not mentioned it yet despite its release supposedly to be mid-March (still Q1 yet they covered their Q1 stuff in that blog post).

    So 9 episodes what if they drop 9 elite specs in the last episode then as they been working one during each episode

  • No, the new maps arent expac-level

    That'd be cool! Tbh, the character select screen not being any different kinda throws me off too.

  • No, for some other reason.

    So far, its all blah. There are still episodes to go and who knows, maybe a surprise will come along. My take on expansions is that there is a fundamental change in how
    the game can be played. First expansion, we got gliding. Second expansion, we got mounts. So, is something like that coming? I doubt it, but that doesn't mean I can't hope.

  • Xenon.4537Xenon.4537 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020
    No, for some other reason.

    You know what. Not even worth it.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020

    It's not even reasonable to set your own expectations for what expansion-level content is ... then accuse Anet of not delivering that EVEN once the Saga is done. What even IS expansion level content? Limited to things we got from expansions before? New things we never seen?

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  • Krzysztof.5973Krzysztof.5973 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    It's not even reasonable to set your own expectations for what expansion-level content is ... then accuse Anet of not delivering that EVEN once the Saga is done. What even IS expansion level content? Limited to things we got from expansions before? New things we never seen?

    Well, I was told that we can't judge one of the "expansion level content" features which were build templates - before it's release. And here we are 4 months later with build templates still not working as templates. But hey, at least we can enjoy expansion level strikes that reward you with single unidentified rare item for finishing it on gold instead of silver (:

  • @Obtena.7952 said:
    What even IS expansion level content?

    I kinda feel like this is the most important aspect to consider.

    Most complaints about "not expansion level content" is about the lack of raids/fractals, updates to PvP and WvW, legendary gear, new type of PvE content, masteries, and elite specializations.

    But neither expansion actually provided fractals or raids (our first raid came out a full month after HoT). Same with legendary gear. Those two were always primarily Living World content types. PoF didn't update PvP or WvW either, while we're expecting such for Icebrood Saga in Q1 in theory. Icebrood Saga has provided new type of PvE content (Strikes) and masteries (while the current one's aren't the best things ever, neither were 90% of HoT's, and we're also 4x as many masteries per episode as S3 or S4). Thus, the only thing we're lacking from complaints, is elite specializations.

    We're 3 releases in, and I'd say we got half of an expansion's worth already, personally.

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  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Elite spec. about all i want from a expansion level content every thing else is just LS.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Considering the term has no meaning because what is and is not an "expansion" has no definitive metric... I vote "fish".

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • It probably doesn't matter what is offered in this current Saga/Season. Some players claimed the Path of Fire Expansion didn't meet their expectations, and wasn't a true expansion (in their eyes). Some didn't care for Heart of Thorns, either.

    Expansion/expansion-like or no, there will always be some players that are content, and some that are not.

  • Irbis.4932Irbis.4932 Member ✭✭✭
    No, for some other reason.

    The closest they come to expansion-level is the 2k-gem skins, at least the price matches :#

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If the expansion level content shows up at the end of the season, that wouldn't make this season expansion level. That would make that single update expansion level.

    The exception is that they keep on updating this single map to be larger, add updates to every section including Grothmar Valley every major patch, and finally put elite specs or new spec lines in the game.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020
    No, because were not getting new especs.

    Np for all the reasons you mentioned honestly and thats not a bad thing, we need expansions but we dont need every pidce of content to try and be tha exoansion level stuff. Expansion lvl content is calles that because for other games it spends 2 years baking before we get it and we cant w8 2 years before each patch.

    WE NEED expansion content AND JUST GOOD ENOUGH content between expacs, but we need both.

    Content itslef is leagues off what we had interms of expansion co tent before but i gotta say the cadense is solid.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    What even IS expansion level content?

    I kinda feel like this is the most important aspect to consider.

    Most complaints about "not expansion level content" is about the lack of raids/fractals, updates to PvP and WvW, legendary gear, new type of PvE content, masteries, and elite specializations.

    But neither expansion actually provided fractals or raids (our first raid came out a full month after HoT). Same with legendary gear. Those two were always primarily Living World content types. PoF didn't update PvP or WvW either, while we're expecting such for Icebrood Saga in Q1 in theory. Icebrood Saga has provided new type of PvE content (Strikes) and masteries (while the current one's aren't the best things ever, neither were 90% of HoT's, and we're also 4x as many masteries per episode as S3 or S4). Thus, the only thing we're lacking from complaints, is elite specializations.

    We're 3 releases in, and I'd say we got half of an expansion's worth already, personally.

    I would agree. Someone was griping that cooking 500 isn't expansion level content ... but it is.

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  • Raizel.1839Raizel.1839 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2020
    No, for some other reason.

    No because the only expansion I want to see is Cantha.
    I don't care about the reason to go there, just get me there, even if it kills the lore!

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, because were not getting new especs.

    @Raizel.1839 said:
    No because the only expansion I want to see is Cantha.
    I don't care about the reason to go there, just get me there, even if it kills the lore!

    Such a weak argument. "Its not expansion level content because i dont like it."

    Guess HoT Wasnt expansion level content.

    I hope we never go there, the lore reasons we cant are pretty significant, and honestly its going to be about 1/3 smaller than it was in GW1 due to the ocean rising(sinking massive amounts of land we know this to be true due to the battle isles being sunk with the rising of orr), the Jade sea being a sea again(Theres very little out there thats solid in gw1 it was mostly jade with a few small islands here and there), and Kurzicks and Luxons no longer exist, they have been absorbed into a xenophobic empire that doesnt want any outsiders -period- hence why the tengu have a city near LA.

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yeah.

    @Dante.1763 said:

    hence why the tengu have a city near LA.

    Is there any proof for this to be related to the Canthan politics?
    I remember Tengu being in Kryta before Factions was a thing.