Sindrener.1592

Do I sense salt from a thief? Maybe, before name calling and shaming a build, try playing it yourself. Then kindly let everyone know how 'OP and dumb' it is. Period. ? i dont need, i played it with my face.

this person here plays renegade / jalis which might be the #1 easiest and dumbest spec in the game anyone can play it, and then complains about holo. I'm in TEARS :'(

I run two builds depending on opponents on dp dd zerk div - mara resil for hpmara scholar - here i remove mara resil and go EA for cleanse http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PaA4Zfd2UB-e http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PaA4Zfd2SB-e the two builds i run, both with same utils: HiS, shadowstep, SoA and BP - Basi

Given that when he interrupted the Tempest's res a few times with USA and didn't see any Pulmonary Impact procs, I suspect he was using Havoc Spec. (This is based from when I watched the stream live.) I watched the videos, and he steals with shortbow and gains stealth. I see he is with agility sig. Watch what boons he gains. Also, basing this on his previous vids and streams. So by my estimation this is probably the build he is running. gw2skills.net/editor/?PawAgqVlFw2YXMR2Je2WnNVA-z5IeKZKE6VEEvEogFgtGA I chose scholars because no assassin sig. Eagles without that and the level of power, not really effective IMO. How did I do?Close but wrong grandmaster in SA, i was running Shadow Rejuv most of the time =)

vs TEAM USA temple vs TEAM USA Capricorn vs WORMS coliseum

CoolStoryBob

this, dont dumb the game down. keep complexity

sorry for getting pw deleted from the game, it will never return in pvp even with damage increase. The ini cost itself and less stun duration makes it not playable at high levels anymore

you can look at my twitch/youtube to see how its played, but i do agree with you. We are limited to being a +1 role yet even in that scenario we struggle now - is it because thief is weak? Perhaps, is it cus other classes overperform? Probably. So i'd say it's a mix of both. The fact that thief even struggles to kill stuff in a scenario where you are a person more than what you are ganking should ring some bells. But don't dare say thief is weak or the whole community will eat you alive :)

Not really? I mean you can look at his VoD for the MAT and see his damage. "Absurd" is not the word I would use to describe it. Instead, Id go with "pathetic", or "laughable". But go ahead, tell us what that "absurd" damage is. I'll leave it to @Odik.4587 for numbers that ignore Armor.The combo I did was simple P/d 5-HS->steal->backstab, nothing fancy, idk why you want me to post it.On heavy golem it was around... SA 6901 , DA 7300.Light golem DA: 8949, SA 8600. (pure BS+HS on SA was 6379 and leeching stuff that ignored armor... 2159) Thats ... supposed to be your "absurd" damage? At most 9k damage off of a combination of 3 skills and steal? Overexaggeration it is. Notable, thats towards ArlAlt. You simply reported the damage you have, and that does appear to be realistic. Assuming you used Assassin's Signet.I didnt, keep your F grade at math for someone else. I didnt even use daredevil evades to gain any bonus damage from the trait that gives 5% damage per missing endurance bar, not even a single time. Man you guys really hold a grudge towards the wrong guy, not the one who duped you, but the one who pointed out you got duped. But sure, let me just test your result real quick. Actually, looks like your damage was a smidgen different. I got about 7.7k on backstab + HS on SA, but only 900 on damage that ignored armour. Im not sure how you get 2159, that wouldnt even work since Siphoning always hits for 550 and Leeching Venoms always hits for 398. You dont get more than one of each in the normal combo, and at max one Siphoning, 2 Venoms, which is 1.3k at most.I swear, this is the last time ever I reply to you, I fed up with your bs. Pre-stacked Leeching Venoms. Doesnt make sense for the combo, but sure. But then, Cloaked in Shadow? Why are you using a trait noone uses when checking the damage? Even then you only reach 221+221+392+392+539= 1765 damage.May be you need glasses as you missed 2 leeching venoms, no wonder you call everyone liars. Too bad I cant block you on the forum. Ciao You only get the 2 Leeching Venoms. How exactly did you intend to get 4? It doesnt proc fast enough if you BP + HS -> Backstab. And you still didnt explain why you decided to pick an unused trait when checking the damage. Apparently you can.Idk dude, he cant calculate what he seeing on his screen, its a lost case I mean, not to burst your bubble, but you can see your own log, right? It only has 3 Leeching Venoms, not 4. Stranger yet, the first one hits for 392, not 395. I wonder how.You are blind, its 6 instances of leeching hits, not 5 as you count there, check yourself or something? clearly these math experts can +1 with this damage (this is me spiking a prot holo btw on core dp thief that uses da+SA for damage) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643055474836766749/694151714378481774/gw007.jpg That's a 2.4k backstab crit. Now try to say thief can actually +1 anything in this game with a straight faceI didnt claim to be a math expert, nor wanted to get dragged into this bs.So, anything its a prot holo stabbed in the face? I guess not /s why would i stab him in the front? go try spike a prot holo urself that runs protholo+pala amulet and take a screen on your result. I'll be waiting.Protection injection, I see. But do you imply that every class that you are +1 has improved protection on CC (and always up)? No, but every single "1v1" class rn runs something as similar (tanky) so you won't be able to +1 them equally as little as you can +1 a protholo.Knight rev dwarf/herald, you think you can +1 this?SLB pala variant with A/A you think you can +1 this?LR ele?Prot holo?Meatnec? Let me tell you, you can't. Not one of these classes that you see in meta (AT, MAT) you can +1 as thief no matter what build you run. That being said.. Again, i do not want thief to be buffed, we can all agree that these builds are obnoxious and way overtuned tanky and hope to see nerfs, obviously when i say nerfs i also don't want them to hammer them to oblivion, I rather see them tweak a small % here and there, slowly slowly tweaking them to the sweet spot.

Not really? I mean you can look at his VoD for the MAT and see his damage. "Absurd" is not the word I would use to describe it. Instead, Id go with "pathetic", or "laughable". But go ahead, tell us what that "absurd" damage is. I'll leave it to @Odik.4587 for numbers that ignore Armor.The combo I did was simple P/d 5-HS->steal->backstab, nothing fancy, idk why you want me to post it.On heavy golem it was around... SA 6901 , DA 7300.Light golem DA: 8949, SA 8600. (pure BS+HS on SA was 6379 and leeching stuff that ignored armor... 2159) Thats ... supposed to be your "absurd" damage? At most 9k damage off of a combination of 3 skills and steal? Overexaggeration it is. Notable, thats towards ArlAlt. You simply reported the damage you have, and that does appear to be realistic. Assuming you used Assassin's Signet.I didnt, keep your F grade at math for someone else. I didnt even use daredevil evades to gain any bonus damage from the trait that gives 5% damage per missing endurance bar, not even a single time. Man you guys really hold a grudge towards the wrong guy, not the one who duped you, but the one who pointed out you got duped. But sure, let me just test your result real quick. Actually, looks like your damage was a smidgen different. I got about 7.7k on backstab + HS on SA, but only 900 on damage that ignored armour. Im not sure how you get 2159, that wouldnt even work since Siphoning always hits for 550 and Leeching Venoms always hits for 398. You dont get more than one of each in the normal combo, and at max one Siphoning, 2 Venoms, which is 1.3k at most.I swear, this is the last time ever I reply to you, I fed up with your bs. Pre-stacked Leeching Venoms. Doesnt make sense for the combo, but sure. But then, Cloaked in Shadow? Why are you using a trait noone uses when checking the damage? Even then you only reach 221+221+392+392+539= 1765 damage.May be you need glasses as you missed 2 leeching venoms, no wonder you call everyone liars. Too bad I cant block you on the forum. Ciao You only get the 2 Leeching Venoms. How exactly did you intend to get 4? It doesnt proc fast enough if you BP + HS -> Backstab. And you still didnt explain why you decided to pick an unused trait when checking the damage. Apparently you can.Idk dude, he cant calculate what he seeing on his screen, its a lost case I mean, not to burst your bubble, but you can see your own log, right? It only has 3 Leeching Venoms, not 4. Stranger yet, the first one hits for 392, not 395. I wonder how.You are blind, its 6 instances of leeching hits, not 5 as you count there, check yourself or something? clearly these math experts can +1 with this damage (this is me spiking a prot holo btw on core dp thief that uses da+SA for damage) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643055474836766749/694151714378481774/gw007.jpg That's a 2.4k backstab crit. Now try to say thief can actually +1 anything in this game with a straight faceI didnt claim to be a math expert, nor wanted to get dragged into this bs.So, anything its a prot holo stabbed in the face? I guess not /swhy would i stab him in the front? go try spike a prot holo urself that runs protholo+pala amulet and take a screen on your result. I'll be waiting.

Not really? I mean you can look at his VoD for the MAT and see his damage. "Absurd" is not the word I would use to describe it. Instead, Id go with "pathetic", or "laughable". But go ahead, tell us what that "absurd" damage is. I'll leave it to @Odik.4587 for numbers that ignore Armor.The combo I did was simple P/d 5-HS->steal->backstab, nothing fancy, idk why you want me to post it.On heavy golem it was around... SA 6901 , DA 7300.Light golem DA: 8949, SA 8600. (pure BS+HS on SA was 6379 and leeching stuff that ignored armor... 2159) Thats ... supposed to be your "absurd" damage? At most 9k damage off of a combination of 3 skills and steal? Overexaggeration it is. Notable, thats towards ArlAlt. You simply reported the damage you have, and that does appear to be realistic. Assuming you used Assassin's Signet.I didnt, keep your F grade at math for someone else. I didnt even use daredevil evades to gain any bonus damage from the trait that gives 5% damage per missing endurance bar, not even a single time. Man you guys really hold a grudge towards the wrong guy, not the one who duped you, but the one who pointed out you got duped. But sure, let me just test your result real quick. Actually, looks like your damage was a smidgen different. I got about 7.7k on backstab + HS on SA, but only 900 on damage that ignored armour. Im not sure how you get 2159, that wouldnt even work since Siphoning always hits for 550 and Leeching Venoms always hits for 398. You dont get more than one of each in the normal combo, and at max one Siphoning, 2 Venoms, which is 1.3k at most.I swear, this is the last time ever I reply to you, I fed up with your bs. Pre-stacked Leeching Venoms. Doesnt make sense for the combo, but sure. But then, Cloaked in Shadow? Why are you using a trait noone uses when checking the damage? Even then you only reach 221+221+392+392+539= 1765 damage.May be you need glasses as you missed 2 leeching venoms, no wonder you call everyone liars. Too bad I cant block you on the forum. Ciao You only get the 2 Leeching Venoms. How exactly did you intend to get 4? It doesnt proc fast enough if you BP + HS -> Backstab. And you still didnt explain why you decided to pick an unused trait when checking the damage. Apparently you can.Idk dude, he cant calculate what he seeing on his screen, its a lost case I mean, not to burst your bubble, but you can see your own log, right? It only has 3 Leeching Venoms, not 4. Stranger yet, the first one hits for 392, not 395. I wonder how.You are blind, its 6 instances of leeching hits, not 5 as you count there, check yourself or something? clearly these math experts can +1 with this damage (this is me spiking a prot holo btw on core dp thief that uses da+SA for damage) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643055474836766749/694151714378481774/gw007.jpg That's a 2.4k backstab crit. Now try to say thief can actually +1 anything in this game with a straight face Oh, didnt you hear? Thief apparently has "Absurd" damage, and apparently people are running Cloaked in Shadows.which would make them do even less damage on a prot holo for one simple reason. you procc protection when u cc/daze holo -> and then you backstab into prot (improved) which is -40% damage. With rending shade that prioritize rip prot, you daze -> procc prot -> rending shade the backstab(rip the prot) But ye CiS is good i heard LOL

Not really? I mean you can look at his VoD for the MAT and see his damage. "Absurd" is not the word I would use to describe it. Instead, Id go with "pathetic", or "laughable". But go ahead, tell us what that "absurd" damage is. I'll leave it to @Odik.4587 for numbers that ignore Armor.The combo I did was simple P/d 5-HS->steal->backstab, nothing fancy, idk why you want me to post it.On heavy golem it was around... SA 6901 , DA 7300.Light golem DA: 8949, SA 8600. (pure BS+HS on SA was 6379 and leeching stuff that ignored armor... 2159) Thats ... supposed to be your "absurd" damage? At most 9k damage off of a combination of 3 skills and steal? Overexaggeration it is. Notable, thats towards ArlAlt. You simply reported the damage you have, and that does appear to be realistic. Assuming you used Assassin's Signet.I didnt, keep your F grade at math for someone else. I didnt even use daredevil evades to gain any bonus damage from the trait that gives 5% damage per missing endurance bar, not even a single time. Man you guys really hold a grudge towards the wrong guy, not the one who duped you, but the one who pointed out you got duped. But sure, let me just test your result real quick. Actually, looks like your damage was a smidgen different. I got about 7.7k on backstab + HS on SA, but only 900 on damage that ignored armour. Im not sure how you get 2159, that wouldnt even work since Siphoning always hits for 550 and Leeching Venoms always hits for 398. You dont get more than one of each in the normal combo, and at max one Siphoning, 2 Venoms, which is 1.3k at most.I swear, this is the last time ever I reply to you, I fed up with your bs. Pre-stacked Leeching Venoms. Doesnt make sense for the combo, but sure. But then, Cloaked in Shadow? Why are you using a trait noone uses when checking the damage? Even then you only reach 221+221+392+392+539= 1765 damage.May be you need glasses as you missed 2 leeching venoms, no wonder you call everyone liars. Too bad I cant block you on the forum. Ciao You only get the 2 Leeching Venoms. How exactly did you intend to get 4? It doesnt proc fast enough if you BP + HS -> Backstab. And you still didnt explain why you decided to pick an unused trait when checking the damage. Apparently you can.Idk dude, he cant calculate what he seeing on his screen, its a lost case I mean, not to burst your bubble, but you can see your own log, right? It only has 3 Leeching Venoms, not 4. Stranger yet, the first one hits for 392, not 395. I wonder how.You are blind, its 6 instances of leeching hits, not 5 as you count there, check yourself or something? clearly these math experts can +1 with this damage (this is me spiking a prot holo btw on core dp thief that uses da+SA for damage) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643055474836766749/694151714378481774/gw007.jpg That's a 2.4k backstab crit. Now try to say thief can actually +1 anything in this game with a straight face

Lmao ur so delusional its hilarious.Perma cleanse/stealth???? sa gives me 2sec stealth on heal ? my cleanse is in stealth with an interval per 3sec. DA burst is 600 more dmg id still not kill anything. What does my mobility do if i cant kill anything? Only reason we kill rn is cus we zerged 3v1 w portal or just together. Compare it to HoT didnt thief have uncontestwd mobility back then but suffered the same problem? You couldnt kill anything in a +1 and what happened? Ppl dropped thief. The only time thief came back was near end of hot when all sustain was lowered so thief could +1 You focus on what you see on Na but you dont focus on how little the thieves achieved in the games. You could have dropped thief in a second over a rev for example without a problem lmao There are a couple of problems:Tanky braindead specs on necro, rev etc (trust me, I also feel I do bad damage on powermes in this meta), making the game slow and making it hard to +1.Offensive lines not giving enough compared to defensive lines. A build with daredevil, shadowarts, trickery should not do super high levels of damage (because you are running one mobility line, one sustain line and one utility line). However a build with deadlyarts and critstrikes probably should.This is more of a personal remark: I am not a good thief but I doubt that shadow portal isn't worth taking once you learn to use it to move your slower teammates around for example.The problem is that deadly arts / crit strikes does barely more damage than SA atm after the balance patch. If i drop SA for DA i crit 600 more on a heavy golem at this point.Not to mention if you want to frontload all your damage to be a burst spec you'd go da/tr/drd and drop agi signet and go sin signet and dodge 3 times before opening, which means at this point u have no evades after ur spike which makes u vulnerable. And at best here you'll do like 1.5k~ more damage than SA. I don't want thief to be buffed, we had this issue in HoT and i'd say its the "bunkers" that are too tanky atm.Tank revTank necProt holoSLB variants Prolly others forgotten, but I also don't want them to absolutely hammer these "tanks" i rather have them slowly tweak them down, little by little until they hit that sweet spot. And i don't run shadow portal, don't find it good personally

Lmao ur so delusional its hilarious.Perma cleanse/stealth???? sa gives me 2sec stealth on heal ? my cleanse is in stealth with an interval per 3sec. DA burst is 600 more dmg id still not kill anything. What does my mobility do if i cant kill anything? Only reason we kill rn is cus we zerged 3v1 w portal or just together. Compare it to HoT didnt thief have uncontestwd mobility back then but suffered the same problem? You couldnt kill anything in a +1 and what happened? Ppl dropped thief. The only time thief came back was near end of hot when all sustain was lowered so thief could +1 Since you mentioned Thief in HoT (DrD by default)... You have near perma condi cleanse, cannot be rooted, cannot be bursted cuz your stun breaks are conveniently the MUST HAVE utilities. Well then... And what did drd achieve in hot near the end by having all of those things? It wasnt played for any major tournament for whole HoT.But it had everything you said yet wasnt played! We are basically at that stage rn for thief, exact same position. Yes we're in the same situation, but for Mesmer.Mesmer is for sure better than thief rn, the boonrip is amazing vs protholo + portal.Optimal comp id say rn at least for some matches would be 2x power rev fb/tempest(depending on map) and mirage+protholo

Lmao ur so delusional its hilarious.Perma cleanse/stealth???? sa gives me 2sec stealth on heal ? my cleanse is in stealth with an interval per 3sec. DA burst is 600 more dmg id still not kill anything. What does my mobility do if i cant kill anything? Only reason we kill rn is cus we zerged 3v1 w portal or just together. Compare it to HoT didnt thief have uncontestwd mobility back then but suffered the same problem? You couldnt kill anything in a +1 and what happened? Ppl dropped thief. The only time thief came back was near end of hot when all sustain was lowered so thief could +1 Since you mentioned Thief in HoT (DrD by default)... You have near perma condi cleanse, cannot be rooted, cannot be bursted cuz your stun breaks are conveniently the MUST HAVE utilities. Well then...And what did drd achieve in hot by having all of those things? It wasnt played for any major tournament for whole HoT.But it had everything you said yet wasnt played! We are basically at that stage rn for thief, exact same position.

Surely you must be joking. It's not your ability to kill, it's the rotation speed that your class enables. No other class ATM can rival that rotation power. And what does thief mobility do if i cant kill something? Are you trolling me? My teammate is still stuck in a fight while hopefully the enemy team should punish my team in a 4v3 meanwhile. Or am i wrong? Id go rev in a heartbeat if i wasnt trash at anything but thief I hear you on the single class thing. I really do.But compare yourself to Mesmer for a sec... then tell me it's all fun in games. Mesmer is actually one of the reasons we are winning ? higher damage and portal plays made us win most games Taking advantage of portal as a MUST have if you're Mesmer =/= Mesmer being in a good spot. Surely you must realize that. Mesmer damage plus portal ya. Id drop thief for rev but i wouldnt drop mes for rev for sure. Mesmer condi burst plus cc/daze is crazy good pffffffffffff... Wake up!Think the truth hurts! My vods are up for proof, enjoy

Surely you must be joking. It's not your ability to kill, it's the rotation speed that your class enables. No other class ATM can rival that rotation power. And what does thief mobility do if i cant kill something? Are you trolling me? My teammate is still stuck in a fight while hopefully the enemy team should punish my team in a 4v3 meanwhile. Or am i wrong? Id go rev in a heartbeat if i wasnt trash at anything but thief I hear you on the single class thing. I really do.But compare yourself to Mesmer for a sec... then tell me it's all fun in games. Mesmer is actually one of the reasons we are winning ? higher damage and portal plays made us win most games Taking advantage of portal as a MUST have if you're Mesmer =/= Mesmer being in a good spot. Surely you must realize that.Mesmer damage plus portal ya. Id drop thief for rev but i wouldnt drop mes for rev for sure. Mesmer condi burst plus cc/daze is crazy good

Surely you must be joking. It's not your ability to kill, it's the rotation speed that your class enables. No other class ATM can rival that rotation power. And what does thief mobility do if i cant kill something? Are you trolling me? My teammate is still stuck in a fight while hopefully the enemy team should punish my team in a 4v3 meanwhile. Or am i wrong? Id go rev in a heartbeat if i wasnt trash at anything but thief I hear you on the single class thing. I really do.But compare yourself to Mesmer for a sec... then tell me it's all fun in games.Mesmer is actually one of the reasons we are winning ? higher damage and portal plays made us win most games

Surely you must be joking. It's not your ability to kill, it's the rotation speed that your class enables. No other class ATM can rival that rotation power. And what does thief mobility do if i cant kill something? Are you trolling me? My teammate is still stuck in a fight while hopefully the enemy team should punish my team in a 4v3 meanwhile. Or am i wrong? Id go rev in a heartbeat if i wasnt trash at anything but thief

Thief is awful, only reason we won the games is 1. Mesmer and portal and mes+rev damage makes me able to kill stuff. Try run thief without mes and rev and ill laugh. You run around and dont kill anything in organized 5v5. If you look at my vods only reason we successfully kill something is us zerging 3v1(Mes thief and rev)

Mirage > thief

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 can maybe clarify

Why not try and learn and adapt? Even if its only 120wins?

It will start tomorrow after 2v2 ends