seoyounglee.1703 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, reapex.8546 said: Simply no, it's a beta test for a reason. It needs to be done. This feels more like an alpha then a beta. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reapex.8546 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, seoyounglee.1703 said: This feels more like an alpha then a beta. That's cool but a feeling doesn't determine what stage a test is at. Either way the test still needs to be done. Not all beta tests goes as planned. After playing GW2 for years, you should have experience some bad betas before. Edited September 24, 2021 by reapex.8546 clarified beta tests 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seoyounglee.1703 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, reapex.8546 said: That's cool but a feeling doesn't determine what stage a test is at. Even if it is alpha, the test still needs to be done. I fully agree, but they should of labelled it as an alpha not beta. This felt like they never even tried to test it in house. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reapex.8546 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Just now, seoyounglee.1703 said: I fully agree, but they should of labelled it as an alpha not beta. This felt like they never even tried to test it in house. Again that's another feeling, they already showed videos and documented that it was tested on their development servers. They shared this with us awhile ago, so while it may 'feel' it's not a beta test that doesn't mean it's not. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seoyounglee.1703 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, reapex.8546 said: Again that's another feeling, they already showed videos and documented that it was tested on their development servers. They shared this with us awhile ago, so while it may 'feel' it's not a beta test that doesn't mean it's not. Beta testing is a type of user acceptance testing where the product team gives a nearly finished product to a group of target users to evaluate product performance in the real world. Did this feel nearly finished in anyway at all to you? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, seoyounglee.1703 said: I fully agree, but they should of labelled it as an alpha not beta. This felt like they never even tried to test it in house. Semantics and pointless complaints. The entire gaming industry lost concept of "beta" and "alpha" long ago. 5 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reapex.8546 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, seoyounglee.1703 said: Beta testing is a type of user acceptance testing where the product team gives a nearly finished product to a group of target users to evaluate product performance in the real world. Did this feel nearly finished in anyway at all to you? Once again, "feelings" doesn't matter whether a company considers something is beta or alpha. If the company, did the necessary steps that they consider are acceptable to move to the beta stage then it is a beta to the corporation's own requirements. Edited September 24, 2021 by reapex.8546 replaced metrics with requirements 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azizul.8469 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 alpha = internal employee test beta = public user test. they are using the correct term. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narathkor.8541 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) Alpha is when systems are not all in place and still being put into place, beta is when all systems are in place and they are being tested, fixed, polished and tweaked. Everyone trying to describe what they are here has been wrong. This was most certainly a beta, the systems are in place, they just didn't work, so they have to be fixed. When you are testing with a hundred or so internal people it is easy to think things are ready, when you unleash it to tens of thousands things pop up. Edited September 25, 2021 by Narathkor.8541 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetPotato.7456 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 So the Beta was tested and didn't work for the EU servers, Maybe, what if , it was tested on the NA servers as well and it work fine? Wouldn't you have miss the opportunity to know more as to what went wrong? Shutting down the beta so fast without giving the whole Tyrian population to test it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Fire.6870 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Narathkor.8541 said: Alpha is when systems are not all in place and still being put into place, beta is when all systems are in place and they are being tested, fixed, polished and tweaked. Everyone trying to describe what they are here has been wrong. This was most certainly a beta, the systems are in place, they just didn't work, so they have to be fixed. When you are testing with a hundred or so internal people it is easy to think things are ready, when you unleash it to tens of thousands things pop up. Not exactly the system to create alliances wasn't in place and was scheduled for phase 2 beta but this isn't the point. Besides the bug with that nobody could join maps after the initiated few on it. The main problem was that the core piece of the alliance system was missing The counter for when the alliance is full to be specific on the UI end Guilds were randomly added to a pool of alliances were they can fit into but have grown so much that the combined number must have excite the 500 limit. People added themselves to a guild for an alliances while they actually couldn't. This makes it for me an alpha. Besides this communication about all this was not so great again and again UI didn't tell you what you need to know as a player . Like the cc system, LFG or even the start on a sPvP round this is a common theme with Arena.NET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 17 hours ago, azizul.8469 said: alpha = internal employee test beta = public user test. Ever heard of the term "closed beta"? It's not public. The open beta test yesterday didn't go as intended, many didn't even make it onto a map - hence the frustrated feedback and the "alpha" reference. 😉 Anyway, we got feedback from Josh Davis and will be informed of further steps soon, so all is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 u done messed up a anet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urud.4925 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 So much salt in this thread. 3/4 of these 2 pages are about alpha vs beta test, like... who cares how you call it? At least the first posters started to give some feedback. I test videogames for a job, and I don't even know if I'm still at the alpha or beta phase. No one cares anymore. Modern companies don't have so many internal testers nowadays, they are not able to test connectivity issues involving thousands of players internally. That's why they do these public tests. It's not that they "destroyed" WvW for a month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loules.8601 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Urud.4925 said: 3/4 of these 2 pages are about alpha vs beta test, like... who cares how you call it? +1 What would have changed if it’s have an “alpha” marker, not beta? Is it a testing ground? Yes - it’s a testing ground. What’s your problems, what are this all about? Just to troll others and Anet? Useless and wrong idea. Your only theme of discussion - “beta”, “early beta” or “alpha” - are you on developer tech-forum? Introducing new scientific and term concept to us? 😄 Edited September 26, 2021 by Loules.8601 Typos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Is part of the problem here that so many companies now call their previews betas, setting the expectation that we’re all really just getting our look at an almost done system rather than really stress testing something that could implode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly.5293 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 My entire guild is on a different match-up. I joined a friendly guild i would pug with just so I would be with them for this restructuring.. So i lost my server I saw as my "Team" as a pug and now I lost my new guild that I was playing with. This whole thing is just garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly.5293 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Oh nice my Team only speaks Spanish in Team chat and just badmouths my server the entire time. Good job. Let me know when this mess is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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