Locking New Legendaries Behind Raids

[Turin.6921]

Really again with these complains? W5 and PoF raids needed a reward since new Leg. armors were not made. You cannot have the most demanding content in game without an equally interesting reward. And they are available for everyone with the expansion. The fact that you do not want to invest on it does not make it less available. Someone might want the legendary armor in WvW but not want to play the actual mode. Should we remove the exclusivity of it as well and hurt the game mode. Some ppl think T4 fractals are too tough and are "left out". Should Anet move all rewards to T1? A raid, or CM in fractals, PvP, WvW and so on must have exclusive rewards that justify the challenge. With that logic every reward would end up being a login reward.

There will probably add more rings and trinkets in the future anyway as they did with LS3. Lighten up and stop behaving like little children.

[Jukens.1693]

@rabenpriester.7129 said:If you don't do the content, you don't deserve the rewards. Especially if they are prestige heavy. I think locking out players like you who have a Kormir-attitude ("I DESERVE THIS!" despite having done nothing and never tried to achieve anything) is perfectly fine.

"Prestige" let me buy a raid get prestige, yeah. Stop spreading toxic junk around.

[Daniel.5428]

@RaidsAreEasyAF.8652 said:Raids are available for those who bought HoT (Wing 1-4) or PoF (Wing 5).Also, can we please stop with this 1% kitten? No one but anet has actual numbers.

You need no numbers when LFG lost a ton of population.

[XMetroidfanX.3894]

@Jukens.1693 said:Raids already had their exclusive legendary armors, new raid wing has its own new weapon skins and armor. Thats cool and okay but why do the extreme and also put the new Legendary Ring behind the raids?

Raids are not available to everyone Anet, unlike Fractals, Open World, WvW and PvP. Whatever put in the raids won't incentivize me to run this content, they don't exist for me period. No instead it just pisses me off completely. There is no telling how many more legendaries Anet is going to put in there for the %1.

Every time you put a legendary behind raids. you are going to shoot yourselves in the foot. Less people able to get a legendary= less gems to gold conversion= less dollars for you. Also turn people like me crazy.

Please, either make it available somewhere else or stop continuing to this. This ring feels like it belongs to the new maps. Sorry this post is a bit around the edges, i am just very disappointed about this, had to be done.

Ugh, another one of these posts. Can you guys just let it go? Or at least try to come up an original complaint with raids? I feel like you're posting $1 arguments that really have no weight. Or keep posting and keep making people laugh.

[Sephylon.4938]

Other than the unlock, is any part of the collection obtainable through only raiding? Has the method of obtaining the transcendental parchment, ink, and binding been found? I'm guessing that the rest of the collection requires you to take the meditation logbook to specific locations in open world to obtain them.

[Hesacon.8735]

@Blaeys.3102 said:

@Hesacon.8735 said:My biggest issue is it's way harder to organize 10 people for raids with no barrier to entry than other game modes.

Take fractals for example. You only need to organize 5 people, AND there is a barrier for entry in agony resistance. Fewer and more dedicated people make it a much less painful process.

I want to raid, I just don't want to deal with the sheer logistics involved in building the groups.

The hardest part of raiding has always been logistics, even within organized groups or guilds - so the idea of raiding requiring "skill" is really more of an illusion than anything.

To that point, in my raids, I find myself constantly having to play the bad guy with people I consider to be close friends. When we struggle on a fight, it is rarely because of a lack of skill, but rather because Anet chose to limit certain tools that make raiding significantly easier to very few - or even one - profession/build(s) (one most point to is alacrity). It gets tiring telling people that the profession they have chosen to play and learned to love over the years isn't good enough - that in order to be a good raider, they have to play something they don't enjoy.

It is sad how raids in their current form have turned GW2 from what many considered to be the most accepting and friendly MMO on the market into one of the most narrowminded and toxic environments in gaming.

That's a big part of it for sure. I main a necro, which is basically a meme class for raid content. I tried playing chrono and it ruined mesmer for me since you have to carry the team with it.

Fractals can be cleared with any composition though, so long as all five players know the mechanics.

Removing the soft timer on raid kills might be a step in the right direction, but really what is needed is some barrier to entry like tiers in fractals, so that newbies can more easily learn and veterans can get their kills without linking an arbitrary number of insights or trading API keys.

[Vinceman.4572]

Btw. you can't finish the ring at the moment. I wouldn't be suprised if it we will be able to get it simultaneously with a legendary ring attached to one of the next LS4 episodes. Think about it, we were able to insta-build Aurora when it got into the game!

[Azoqu.8917]

@Sephylon.4938 said:Other than the unlock, is any part of the collection obtainable through only raiding? Has the method of obtaining the transcendental parchment, ink, and binding been found? I'm guessing that the rest of the collection requires you to take the meditation logbook to specific locations in open world to obtain them.

The parchment, ink, and binding are all in the raid in chests that are only spawned in instances where the events have been completed (1st chest spawns after 1st boss, 2nd chest after rainbow road, 3rd chest after statues). You don't have to kill Dhuum currently for it (I'd be surprised if a step doesn't require it though). Though for the chests, you can just enter an instance that has them done and get the chests, but it can not be one opened to after the events.

[Cerberus.4315]

Hmmmmm, not into raids, the reason is that I was in a serious car accident last year and have a lot of trouble with memory issues but even prior to that is wasn't really my thing. I think its a bad idea to lock legendary gear behind a piece of content that is so hard to get into its a joke. After HoT I paid 350 ecto to unlock Raid mastery. Day after LS4 I spent the hole day trying to get a group or join a group to unlock the leggy ring, didn't get a group coz I have no Li and it cost me 470 ecto for the privilege of unlocking a list of stuff that looks like I wont be making coz that's also Raid locked. Some people just don't have the time or other issues that make raiding not available to them, I for 1 prefer solo combat and playing at my own pace.

Edit: Apart from what I've said above, this morning I had at least 5 error reports during FotM which as you all know no group of 5 would put up with let alone a group of 10

[Tesyang.7218]

@STIHL.2489 said:IRC, Anet said something like 20% of the players do raids. Anyway, their game, their way, this is how they want to do things here, and you have a choice of two, deal with it, or find something else to play.

And many will go and find something else to play. In fact many have, if ANet's income results over the last few years is any indication. It's also why we have this situation now where they are are selling $25 mount skins because they need the cash. The game has departed from almost every original ideal it had at this point. No wonder it has alienated so many people. On the old forums (rip) people warned about this, but were screamed at. "It'll never happen", they were told. Turns out they were right. Turning this game into WoW isn't working. Good luck to anet with those raiders bankrolling the game forever.

I await the arrival of $50 mount skins when things get even tighter financially. Wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of those pay for perks things from the chinese client either.

[zealex.9410]

@Jukens.1693 said:Raids already had their exclusive legendary armors, new raid wing has its own new weapon skins and armor. Thats cool and okay but why do the extreme and also put the new Legendary Ring behind the raids?

Raids are not available to everyone Anet, unlike Fractals, Open World, WvW and PvP. Whatever put in the raids won't incentivize me to run this content, they don't exist for me period. No instead it just pisses me off completely. There is no telling how many more legendaries Anet is going to put in there for the %1.

Every time you put a legendary behind raids. you are going to shoot yourselves in the foot. Less people able to get a legendary= less gems to gold conversion= less dollars for you. Also turn people like me crazy.

Please, either make it available somewhere else or stop continuing to this. This ring feels like it belongs to the new maps. Sorry this post is a bit around the edges, i am just very disappointed about this, had to be done.

The fractal backpiece needed you to do the mai trin cm which was t4 only. I dought every was able to do that too.

[Rysdude.3824]

@XMetroidfanX.3894 said:

@Jukens.1693 said:Raids already had their exclusive legendary armors, new raid wing has its own new weapon skins and armor. Thats cool and okay but why do the extreme and also put the new Legendary Ring behind the raids?

Raids are not available to everyone Anet, unlike Fractals, Open World, WvW and PvP. Whatever put in the raids won't incentivize me to run this content, they don't exist for me period. No instead it just pisses me off completely. There is no telling how many more legendaries Anet is going to put in there for the %1.

Every time you put a legendary behind raids. you are going to shoot yourselves in the foot. Less people able to get a legendary= less gems to gold conversion= less dollars for you. Also turn people like me crazy.

Please, either make it available somewhere else or stop continuing to this. This ring feels like it belongs to the new maps. Sorry this post is a bit around the edges, i am just very disappointed about this, had to be done.

Ugh, another one of these posts. Can you guys just let it go? Or at least try to come up an original complaint with raids? I feel like you're posting $1 arguments that really have no weight. Or keep posting and keep making people laugh.

This is how I feel about those crying about RNG and mount skins. Its like “Go gud at making money”. Problem solved.

[MrGhosty.4296]

@Blaeys.3102 said:

@Hesacon.8735 said:My biggest issue is it's way harder to organize 10 people for raids with no barrier to entry than other game modes.

Take fractals for example. You only need to organize 5 people, AND there is a barrier for entry in agony resistance. Fewer and more dedicated people make it a much less painful process.

I want to raid, I just don't want to deal with the sheer logistics involved in building the groups.

The hardest part of raiding has always been logistics, even within organized groups or guilds - so the idea of raiding requiring "skill" is really more of an illusion than anything.

To that point, in my raids, I find myself constantly having to play the bad guy with people I consider to be close friends. When we struggle on a fight, it is rarely because of a lack of skill, but rather because Anet chose to limit certain tools that make raiding significantly easier to very few - or even one - profession/build(s) (one most point to is alacrity). It gets tiring telling people that the profession they have chosen to play and learned to love over the years isn't good enough - that in order to be a good raider, they have to play something they don't enjoy.

It is sad how raids in their current form have turned GW2 from what many considered to be the most accepting and friendly MMO on the market into one of the most narrowminded and toxic environments in gaming.

Somehow I wonder if you've never stepped foot into WvW or PvP. While I have no doubt there are elitist peeps out there, they exist in every form of content. As a general rule, most people are awful. If legendaries had higher stats than Ascended gear then I might be concerned about one item being locked behind the Raid, as it stands I'm not terribly concerned. I recall when I went on my journey to craft Sunrise, those collections sent me everywhere to complete them and I understand that many of the others do as well. Legendaries are meant to be huge time and gold sinks, if a non raider really wants this legendary they will do like everyone who has crafted any of the older legendaries and do what must be done.

There are many great guilds out there dedicated to guiding folks and teaching the raid to them just gotta keep your eyes peeled. When the time comes that I have the ability to get into raiding, i'm personally looking forward to all the cool stuff to earn and collect a long the way.

[Astralporing.1957]

@XMetroidfanX.3894 said:Ugh, another one of these posts. Can you guys just let it go?No. Why would we? It's not like us not complaining will make things better. Ignoring problems never works out well.

[zealex.9410]

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@XMetroidfanX.3894 said:Ugh, another one of these posts. Can you guys just let it go?No. Why would we? It's not like us not complaining will make things better. Ignoring problems never works out well.

U can ignore it because its not a problem.

[thewaterguy.4796]

@zealex.9410 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@XMetroidfanX.3894 said:Ugh, another one of these posts. Can you guys just let it go?No. Why would we? It's not like us not complaining will make things better. Ignoring problems never works out well.

U can ignore it because its not a problem.

I'm sorry what? Its not a problem? Forgive me but locking things off to players for arbitrary reasons of "not enough friends" is kind of a problem, and frankly your a part of the problem, the sheer elitism and toxicity coming out of the "Raiding" community is insane compared to any other section of the game, don't give us this crap about "its just that your not skilled enough" it has nothing to do with that, its because raids require 9 other people that aren't complete scumbags for you to be able to do it, let alone have fun doing it

[CHAO.7956]

I can't believe this is still an issue. No one is locked out from raids, being locked out would be like if anet literally would not let you join raids because your from Ohio. You CAN do raids, you just don't WANT to. That is not being locked out. I personally had no interest in raids for over a year, then the legendary armor came out. Guess what, I liked the look of it so I decided to get into raids. Before that I played pretty much only wvw, pve was boring to me. I wanted Astralaria, crafting Astralaria requires doing a LOT of HoT pve. I was not locked out of pve, I didn't WANT to do pve. But guess what, I also wanted Astralaria, so I put on my big boy panties and did the pve I did not want to do because I wanted Astralaria. I now have Astralaria and have no regrets because I put in the work for something I wanted, even if it was boring along the way.

So get over yourselves. Honestly, if someone like me who only wanted to play wvw can branch out to pve and to raids to get items I want so can you.

[RaidsAreEasyAF.8652]

@Daniel.5428 said:

@RaidsAreEasyAF.8652 said:Raids are available for those who bought HoT (Wing 1-4) or PoF (Wing 5).Also, can we please stop with this 1% kitten? No one but anet has actual numbers.

You need no numbers when LFG lost a ton of population.

I see more Raid LFG´s than Fractal LFG´s. Are Fractals dead?LFG doesn't reflect the population. Many people only raid with their static group and don't need to lfg.Groups actually fill really fast if you aren't looking for a chrono at midnight.You don't see many LFG´s for raids right now simply because everyone is busy with W5.

[Amineo.8951]

@xDudisx.5914 said:

@Amineo.8951 said:

@Blaeys.3102 said:

@Hesacon.8735 said:My biggest issue is it's way harder to organize 10 people for raids with no barrier to entry than other game modes.

Take fractals for example. You only need to organize 5 people, AND there is a barrier for entry in agony resistance. Fewer and more dedicated people make it a much less painful process.

I want to raid, I just don't want to deal with the sheer logistics involved in building the groups.

The hardest part of raiding has always been logistics, even within organized groups or guilds - so the idea of raiding requiring "skill" is really more of an illusion than anything.

To that point, in my raids, I find myself constantly having to play the bad guy with people I consider to be close friends. When we struggle on a fight, it is rarely because of a lack of skill, but rather because Anet chose to limit certain tools that make raiding significantly easier to very few - or even one - profession/build(s) (one most point to is alacrity). It gets tiring telling people that the profession they have chosen to play and learned to love over the years isn't good enough - that in order to be a good raider, they have to play something they don't enjoy.

It is sad how raids in their current form have turned GW2 from what many considered to be the most accepting and friendly MMO on the market into one of the most narrowminded and toxic environments in gaming.

Making Chronomancer the way it is now was a mistake, it's too powerful and revenant is the only other profession who have access to alacrity but no quickness whatsoever, they gotta do something about it since people refuse to not have one for any kind of raids/fractals.

The easy way would be make make most/all alacrity to work only on the one casting the skill and not aoe. This change alone would make all pve content harder.

Then if Alacrity gets nerfed, Weaver becomes trash tier and "top tier" guilds leave the game.

[Tyson.5160]

Different game modes... watch Anet release a strictly Legendary WvW amulet and watch everyone complain...

[STIHL.2489]

@Tesyang.7218 said:

@STIHL.2489 said:IRC, Anet said something like 20% of the players do raids. Anyway, their game, their way, this is how they want to do things here, and you have a choice of two, deal with it, or find something else to play.

And many will go and find something else to play. In fact many have, if ANet's income results over the last few years is any indication. It's also why we have this situation now where they are are selling $25 mount skins because they need the cash. The game has departed from almost every original ideal it had at this point. No wonder it has alienated so many people. On the old forums (rip) people warned about this, but were screamed at. "It'll never happen", they were told. Turns out they were right. Turning this game into WoW isn't working. Good luck to anet with those raiders bankrolling the game forever.

I await the arrival of $50 mount skins when things get even tighter financially. Wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of those pay for perks things from the chinese client either.

Not my problem, it's their ship, they can sink if they wanna. Don't like it, look for something else to waste your time and money with.

[Spicy.2481]

Easy solution to any casual who wants the ring. Unlock the collection by doing escort(literally like an open world pve event.) Find a guy on the lfg after reset who is holding out a cleared instance of hall of chains for ppl to loot the chests either for free or for a small donation(ppl do this a ton for previous wings where you need collection items for legendary armor from "hidden chests"). Easy, you have now acquired all of the raid locked stuff for your legendary ring precursor, now go do some open world.

[Rysdude.3824]

@Spicy.2481 said:Easy solution to any casual who wants the ring. Unlock the collection by doing escort(literally like an open world pve event.) Find a guy on the lfg after reset who is holding out a cleared instance of hall of chains for ppl to loot the chests either for free or for a small donation(ppl do this a ton for previous wings where you need collection items for legendary armor from "hidden chests"). Easy, you have now acquired all of the raid locked stuff for your legendary ring precursor, now go do some open world.

Are you volunteering?

[Astralporing.1957]

@zealex.9410 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@XMetroidfanX.3894 said:Ugh, another one of these posts. Can you guys just let it go?No. Why would we? It's not like us not complaining will make things better. Ignoring problems never works out well.

U can ignore it because its not a problem.Maybe not for you. But then you're not the one complaining.

[zealex.9410]

@thewaterguy.4796 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@XMetroidfanX.3894 said:Ugh, another one of these posts. Can you guys just let it go?No. Why would we? It's not like us not complaining will make things better. Ignoring problems never works out well.

U can ignore it because its not a problem.

I'm sorry what? Its not a problem? Forgive me but locking things off to players for arbitrary reasons of "not enough friends" is kind of a problem, and frankly your a part of the problem, the sheer elitism and toxicity coming out of the "Raiding" community is insane compared to any other section of the game, don't give us this crap about "its just that your not skilled enough" it has nothing to do with that, its because raids require 9 other people that aren't complete scumbags for you to be able to do it, let alone have fun doing it

I raid with ppl in salt that i hardly know let alone consider friends of mine. I never said you arent skilled enough i said that you cant be arsed to get into the mindset that raids require.

If i stand on my bed all day every day im not gonna get food on my table. Why should you get 1 legendary ring if you cba to put the effort in it?

And excuse me but the lvls of toxicity i see from the "friendly, casual, solo gaming" community whenever they cant get something just by afk aa or its locked in lootboxes disgusts me more than anything any delusional raider could put out.