what about an EYE about revenenat?

[messiah.1908]

hi aneti see deadeye got a preview of the changes coming up. could renegade or even revenant get some love

are you afraid from the response of the community or wants to make us a big surprise?

renegade must get some love with SB and the warbands utilities should get the same. ints not only an energy problem rather overall problem.

revenant trait lines can get some few twicks like retribution and invocation. mainly about handling conditions. salvation could see more fresh change as most of the traits are similar with buffing healing output.

hope to hear from you soon

[Vyrulisse.1246]

No kidding. They rework Mesmers (who didn't need it) and now Deadeyes. Our spec is a complete mess and worst of all it's BORING.

[Kain Francois.4328]

Renegade is fine. Stop whining. Yeah, it needs changes, but mostly only minor stuff like cast time reductions.

What needs desperate help is the Herald. The Legend of Glint is dying worse than her wounds from Kralkatorrik.

[Vyrulisse.1246]

@Kain Francois.4328 said:Renegade is fine. Stop whining. Yeah, it needs changes, but mostly only minor stuff like cast time reductions.

What needs desperate help is the Herald. The Legend of Glint is dying worse than her wounds from Kralkatorrik.

Renegade's biggest problem is that it's boring and brings nothing new really to the table. It's basically a beefed up condi rev.

Herald does need serious attention but A.net seems incapable of handling much at a time.

[Aeolus.3615]

@Vyrulisse.1246 said:

@Kain Francois.4328 said:Renegade is fine. Stop whining. Yeah, it needs changes, but mostly only minor stuff like cast time reductions.

What needs desperate help is the Herald. The Legend of Glint is dying worse than her wounds from Kralkatorrik.

Renegade's biggest problem is that it's boring and brings nothing new really to the table. It's basically a beefed up condi rev.

Herald does need serious attention but A.net seems incapable of handling much at a time.

IF they develop new stuff look what hapened to scourge... mobility in zerg + barrier + tons of aoe + corruption and condis.

Boring and stupid design, so let them be redundanct about nothing new for most classes before they start making all classes extremelly noob friendly,

Anet developers still need to learn how to produce fun and balanced classes, IMO they are one of the worst dev's ive seen casue they do alot of stuff game engine barelly supports it not it is optimized for.

[narcx.3570]

@Vyrulisse.1246 said:

@"Kain Francois.4328" said:Renegade is fine. Stop whining. Yeah, it needs changes, but mostly only minor stuff like cast time reductions.

What needs desperate help is the Herald. The Legend of Glint is dying worse than her wounds from Kralkatorrik.

Renegade's biggest problem is that it's boring and brings nothing new really to the table. It's basically a beefed up condi rev.

Herald does need serious attention but A.net seems incapable of handling much at a time.

Not only is Renegade boring, but it's only "fine" in raids... And even there it's far from top tier numbers--not even against large hitbox using a Vindication build anymore. After the alacrity nerf, the only condi classes that it can out dps are Scourges (and only if there is no opportunity for epidemic) and condi engineers--which aren't really even a thing anymore. While not being top-dps is certainly fine, I think if there's literally only one game mode that your spec is not garbage tier in, you should probably be better than lower-mediocre at it.

[Rasp Sabreblade.5421]

I think the real issue is they don't really know how to adjust it. 4 of 6 legends DON'T work underwater, the summons have extreme pathing/terrain issues, skills still clip through the terrain, SB #2 can hardly it a target standing still much less running without a speed buff, SB #4 never hits much of anything and doesn't work in corridors.

If Anet says Revenant is in a good place - then they need to seriously tone down the other professions. Quite honestly the way the renegade turned out is fine, but the other elite specs just got way to much. Scourge is a fine example of profession getting to much - the scourge should have only gotten barrier and corruption - help the group through extra life for survival and convert boons, but the rest is over the top.

Anet needs to stop making elite specs as entire professions and look at making them fill different rolls. That said, they need to add boons to mobs in PvE and reduce how many boons professions can pump out. Boons should be a added bonus once in a while with coordination, not a press this one skill and now you have max might, stab, regen, swiftness, etc.....

[Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2]

I have an gut feeling the balance team ain't reworking renegade and we have to wait prolly till the end of this expansion.

I really really hope they make renegade viable in pvp I mean come on!!

[Kuulpb.5412]

@Kain Francois.4328 said:Renegade is fine. Stop whining. Yeah, it needs changes, but mostly only minor stuff like cast time reductions.

What needs desperate help is the Herald. The Legend of Glint is dying worse than her wounds from Kralkatorrik.

It has no real lore basis, if the charr listened to rytlock, they'd channel glint, not kalla. Also, We aren't NPCs so why are we stuck with kalla when we, The player character have literally encoutnered the spirit of turai ossa, etc etc.

[Arkantos.7460]

@Kain Francois.4328 said:Renegade is fine. Stop whining. Yeah, it needs changes, but mostly only minor stuff like cast time reductions.

What needs desperate help is the Herald. The Legend of Glint is dying worse than her wounds from Kralkatorrik.

The biggest problem of Legend Kalla itself is the exaxt same function of ALL skills (heal, utility, elite) and the way it can be countered ( just kill or cc)so u cast a kalla skill and its effect can be declined by any other intereaction.... loook at mesma who summons and they do different things ...this is what renegade needs, different mechanics of its skills ... and of course shorter casttimes and everything also shortbow

Renegade now is trash for pvp

as for eye on deadeye .... maybe just ... nerf revenat more to compare OPness from all other classes

[Clownmug.8357]

Meh. Who cares about all those loyal customers who need to own both expansions to play their elite spec, right?

[Buran.3796]

@Kain Francois.4328 said:Renegade is fine. Stop whining. Yeah, it needs changes, but mostly only minor stuff like cast time reductions.

What needs desperate help is the Herald. The Legend of Glint is dying worse than her wounds from Kralkatorrik.

Renegade is trash, and I have no problem with that. But the patch changes over the last year made Herald worse and worse (included underwater combat, a parcel in which Revenant remained op until two months ago).

[InsaneQR.7412]

Dude, they havent announced any big overhaul because there isnt one ready yet. Rev is a mess all over the place and i think that the underwater changes will atleast fix it there in some regard. After that they will sooner or later overhaul the profession. We now know that they can do it, so i believe they will improve the whole spectrum of professions sooner or later.

[LucianTheAngelic.7054]

Herald is fine. It needs some damage adjustments in pve, but that’s all. Could easily have an extra 1-2% damage bonus on Elder’s force and fix most of herald’s PVE issues.

[Buran.3796]

@LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:Herald is fine. It needs some damage adjustments in pve, but that’s all.

Rev truly deserves all the crap it gets and the place in which is, because players seems to be more sensible towards the numbers they get hitting a dumb static AI golem instead about how the class performs against other classes in a true life & death environment. Hope we get a harpoon and a quaggan legend next expansion.

[ArthurDent.9538]

@Buran.3796 said:

@LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:Herald is fine. It needs some damage adjustments in pve, but that’s all.

Rev truly deserves all the crap it gets and the place in which is, because players seems to be more sensible towards the numbers they get hitting a dumb static AI golem instead about how the class performs against other classes in a true life & death environment. Hope we get a harpoon and a quaggan legend next expansion.

The irony would be absolutely hilarious if the legend for the next elite spec was only useable underwater.

[Buran.3796]

^ For me that would be an improvement over the Renegade ^^ .

[Klypto.1703]

@ArthurDent.9538 said:

@Buran.3796 said:

@LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:Herald is fine. It needs some damage adjustments in pve, but that’s all.

Rev truly deserves all the crap it gets and the place in which is, because players seems to be more sensible towards the numbers they get hitting a dumb static AI golem instead about how the class performs against other classes in a true life & death environment. Hope we get a harpoon and a quaggan legend next expansion.

The irony would be absolutely hilarious if the legend for the next elite spec was only useable underwater.

Yeah after you posted that they have begun working on it. Its going to be an elite Quaggan Mesmer with a sole use of hiding the water of bay in wvw. Creates whole quaggan family of clones that begin building new underwater siege.