zionophir.6845 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 if you can kill a deadeye rifle, with its stealth, teleports, probably higher crits, with a rifle warrior, what does it tell about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 @zionophir.6845 said:if you can kill a deadeye rifle, with its stealth, teleports, probably higher crits, with a rifle warrior, what does it tell about you?that you are a god, or that the thief is utterly trash, or that he was afk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 @"RedShark.9548" said:comparing rifle warrior with rifle deadeye....this is a thing ???i mean they are both rifles i get it, but warriors rifle is just sooooo clunky and outdated it gets outclassed by deadeye in so many ways.i wouldnt even consider it a "oneshot" since you rarely get higher than 7k dmga skill where you cant move for that long, thats not unblockable and can be dodged or blinded etc. should hit for ALOT.sometimes i get the feeling that ppl want warrior to not do any dmg at all, so that they can have a pet that follows them around, not doing anything but to tickle.It's not about not wanting warriors to not do any damages at all. Either take a stand to promote competitiveness and a healthy environment seriously for the well being of the game including its players or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 @gebrechen.5643 said:@"Cyninja.2954" said:Great, good thing Kill Shot is not an auto hit is it? Problem solved.Kill shot is one of the most telegraphed attacks in the game with a very obvious visual tell, a very long cast time and a hefty requirement which leaves the warrior without any adrenaline (and the rifle occupies one weapon slot).Sorry but this is absolutely a learn to play issue if there ever is one.You can sum up a ton of skills which would be on the "should dodge" list. My only question in this case is, what are you actually doing while you are letting someone else just pummel you and free cast all their skills?It is a problem. It's an ability that is able to kill a full toughness build in a single action. And in case you missed it. GW2 isn't a duel arena where all options are available 100% of the time and there is the issue with "culling" of skills existent. It doesn't help at all that in theory you can see "the warrior kneeling down" if he doesn't because the animation is bugged or the server decides to hide that information from you.This gets even worse when stealth classes are involved.Just cut the damage, delete damage modifiers and balance out the game between glass cannon builds, tank builds, condi builds and healing builds. At the moment there is two things that work. Massive power creep from glass cannons that aren't because they have access to invulnerables, stealth, etc. and one tank build with great damage aka boon ranger.and the result would be exactly what was going on in season 5, invincible bunker builds which made games insanely tedious.No way did a Kill Shot 100->0 you with toughness. That's just nonsense. You are suddenly throwing in a ton of other issues and classes which have little to do with Kill Shot. Stay on topic. If you want to argue TTK or other classes, make a thread about it. This does not change the fact that Kill Shot is very visible. Also if you are being focused by x-amount of enemies, you are either very out of position or were jumped by multiple opponents. Both of those are situations were you deserve to die and should die.Necromancer is inherently weak against getting jumped due to his lacking movement and lack in invulnerability skills. The trade-offs are his own abilities which make him superb in WvW zerg fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 @Burnfall.9573 said:@"RedShark.9548" said:comparing rifle warrior with rifle deadeye....this is a thing ???i mean they are both rifles i get it, but warriors rifle is just sooooo clunky and outdated it gets outclassed by deadeye in so many ways.i wouldnt even consider it a "oneshot" since you rarely get higher than 7k dmga skill where you cant move for that long, thats not unblockable and can be dodged or blinded etc. should hit for ALOT.sometimes i get the feeling that ppl want warrior to not do any dmg at all, so that they can have a pet that follows them around, not doing anything but to tickle.It's not about not wanting warriors to not do any damages at all. Either take a stand to promote competitiveness and a healthy environment seriously for the well being of the game including its players or not.Then go play Spvp and see how well warriors are doing. WvW is about numbers, always has been, always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassablanca.5821 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 funny its ok to 1 shot ppl with ur mesmer and thief and a warrior no no no not ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 @Limodriver.4106 said:funny its ok to 1 shot ppl with ur mesmer and thief and a warrior no no no not ok.it's the other way around. it's ok for warrior to 1 shot people because warriors are a ' damage all around profession', so why not give them game breaking damages that over exceed them but it's a big game breaker if mesmer and thief to 1 shot people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israel.7056 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 @gebrechen.5643 said:@Israel.7056 said:In your case ks warr should kill you on necro like 100 percent of the time that's just a heavily disadvantaged matchup.You mean like 90% of the matchups you have as a necro? In any case it doesn't justify damage spikes like that from Killshot, Death's Judgement, Worldly Impact, Churning Earth, etc.Yeah necros not great for open field duels but it's excellent for team fights when coupled with competent support. Any of the stuff you mentioned on that list starts to become increasingly irrelevant once the fights start to scale up in numbers while necro damage just gets better and better that's the trade off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 @Burnfall.9573 said:@Limodriver.4106 said:funny its ok to 1 shot ppl with ur mesmer and thief and a warrior no no no not ok.it's the other way around. it's ok for warrior to 1 shot people because warriors are a ' damage all around profession', so why not give them game breaking damages that over exceed them but it's a big game breaker if mesmer and thief to 1 shot peopleThere is not a single warrior build that gets remotely close to oneshot anyone. Dont throw around blatant lies, give me proof, that anyone with fully equipped gear got oneshot from warrior on the recent patch, proof it dude, dont just throw a tantrum for no reason. And NOBODY on a full tank build will get oneshot by ANY class. Especially not by warrior.Pics or it didnt happen.@gebrechen.5643 said:@"Cyninja.2954" said:Great, good thing Kill Shot is not an auto hit is it? Problem solved.Kill shot is one of the most telegraphed attacks in the game with a very obvious visual tell, a very long cast time and a hefty requirement which leaves the warrior without any adrenaline (and the rifle occupies one weapon slot).Sorry but this is absolutely a learn to play issue if there ever is one.You can sum up a ton of skills which would be on the "should dodge" list. My only question in this case is, what are you actually doing while you are letting someone else just pummel you and free cast all their skills?It is a problem. It's an ability that is able to kill a full toughness build in a single action. And in case you missed it. GW2 isn't a duel arena where all options are available 100% of the time and there is the issue with "culling" of skills existent. It doesn't help at all that in theory you can see "the warrior kneeling down" if he doesn't because the animation is bugged or the server decides to hide that information from you.This gets even worse when stealth classes are involved.Just cut the damage, delete damage modifiers and balance out the game between glass cannon builds, tank builds, condi builds and healing builds. At the moment there is two things that work. Massive power creep from glass cannons that aren't because they have access to invulnerables, stealth, etc. and one tank build with great damage aka boon ranger.Show me proof of a warrior oneshotting anyone, especially one with full toughness, happens NEVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureskullz.7536 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 The Devs put it in the game I dunno what to tell ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zionophir.6845 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 @RedShark.9548 said:@Burnfall.9573 said:@Limodriver.4106 said:funny its ok to 1 shot ppl with ur mesmer and thief and a warrior no no no not ok.it's the other way around. it's ok for warrior to 1 shot people because warriors are a ' damage all around profession', so why not give them game breaking damages that over exceed them but it's a big game breaker if mesmer and thief to 1 shot peopleThere is not a single warrior build that gets remotely close to oneshot anyone. Dont throw around blatant lies, give me proof, that anyone with fully equipped gear got oneshot from warrior on the recent patch, proof it dude, dont just throw a tantrum for no reason. And NOBODY on a full tank build will get oneshot by ANY class. Especially not by warrior.Pics or it didnt happen.@gebrechen.5643 said:@"Cyninja.2954" said:Great, good thing Kill Shot is not an auto hit is it? Problem solved.Kill shot is one of the most telegraphed attacks in the game with a very obvious visual tell, a very long cast time and a hefty requirement which leaves the warrior without any adrenaline (and the rifle occupies one weapon slot).Sorry but this is absolutely a learn to play issue if there ever is one.You can sum up a ton of skills which would be on the "should dodge" list. My only question in this case is, what are you actually doing while you are letting someone else just pummel you and free cast all their skills?It is a problem. It's an ability that is able to kill a full toughness build in a single action. And in case you missed it. GW2 isn't a duel arena where all options are available 100% of the time and there is the issue with "culling" of skills existent. It doesn't help at all that in theory you can see "the warrior kneeling down" if he doesn't because the animation is bugged or the server decides to hide that information from you.This gets even worse when stealth classes are involved.Just cut the damage, delete damage modifiers and balance out the game between glass cannon builds, tank builds, condi builds and healing builds. At the moment there is two things that work. Massive power creep from glass cannons that aren't because they have access to invulnerables, stealth, etc. and one tank build with great damage aka boon ranger.Show me proof of a warrior oneshotting anyone, especially one with full toughness, happens NEVER. i play warrior rifle in PvP alternately with another warrior build on my free to play. and i saw another rifle warrior which can go up to 25 might and maintaining it by himself... so the WvW scenario of 20k kill shot is not far fetched, especially with ascended/food and other stat buffs... and probably what i saw in pvp is that kind of rifle warrior talked about in this thread.if legit, yeah, its good. but if hax, yeah, still trash.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zionophir.6845 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 @RedShark.9548 said:@zionophir.6845 said:if you can kill a deadeye rifle, with its stealth, teleports, probably higher crits, with a rifle warrior, what does it tell about you?that you are a god, or that the thief is utterly trash, or that he was afkprobably the first 2. coz the mentioned scenario implies killing each other.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 If that is indeed true, then everyone just needs to roll a rifle warrior, just like they rolled staff eles when they were "bugged", guaranteed to be fixed once everyone gets back from holiday and reads the 1500+ comment complaint thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo.6873 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 A rifle warrior hit me for 8k.This is unacceptable.....i didnt die......and I killed it ...but it did damage so Anet please nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovu.7560 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 @gebrechen.5643 said:Worldly Impact, To be fair that got nerfed.These days I notice rangers rely more on winter's bite, maul or lol-bow auto/rapidfire for power-based pressure rather than an easily telegraphed move with a tiny radius, 1s cast time that roots the ranger and is usually interrupted in any sort of group environment. I kind of wish worldly impact worked more like Engi's jump shot, even if it meant dealing less damage.That said, generally the warriors I die to are those in my face locking me down with boatloads of CC. I haven't found rifle on them to be so much of an issue. At least not since HoT.~ Kovu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 @zionophir.6845 said:@RedShark.9548 said:@Burnfall.9573 said:@Limodriver.4106 said:funny its ok to 1 shot ppl with ur mesmer and thief and a warrior no no no not ok.it's the other way around. it's ok for warrior to 1 shot people because warriors are a ' damage all around profession', so why not give them game breaking damages that over exceed them but it's a big game breaker if mesmer and thief to 1 shot peopleThere is not a single warrior build that gets remotely close to oneshot anyone. Dont throw around blatant lies, give me proof, that anyone with fully equipped gear got oneshot from warrior on the recent patch, proof it dude, dont just throw a tantrum for no reason. And NOBODY on a full tank build will get oneshot by ANY class. Especially not by warrior.Pics or it didnt happen.@gebrechen.5643 said:@"Cyninja.2954" said:Great, good thing Kill Shot is not an auto hit is it? Problem solved.Kill shot is one of the most telegraphed attacks in the game with a very obvious visual tell, a very long cast time and a hefty requirement which leaves the warrior without any adrenaline (and the rifle occupies one weapon slot).Sorry but this is absolutely a learn to play issue if there ever is one.You can sum up a ton of skills which would be on the "should dodge" list. My only question in this case is, what are you actually doing while you are letting someone else just pummel you and free cast all their skills?It is a problem. It's an ability that is able to kill a full toughness build in a single action. And in case you missed it. GW2 isn't a duel arena where all options are available 100% of the time and there is the issue with "culling" of skills existent. It doesn't help at all that in theory you can see "the warrior kneeling down" if he doesn't because the animation is bugged or the server decides to hide that information from you.This gets even worse when stealth classes are involved.Just cut the damage, delete damage modifiers and balance out the game between glass cannon builds, tank builds, condi builds and healing builds. At the moment there is two things that work. Massive power creep from glass cannons that aren't because they have access to invulnerables, stealth, etc. and one tank build with great damage aka boon ranger.Show me proof of a warrior oneshotting anyone, especially one with full toughness, happens NEVER. i play warrior rifle in PvP alternately with another warrior build on my free to play. and i saw another rifle warrior which can go up to 25 might and maintaining it by himself... so the WvW scenario of 20k kill shot is not far fetched, especially with ascended/food and other stat buffs... and probably what i saw in pvp is that kind of rifle warrior talked about in this thread.if legit, yeah, its good. but if hax, yeah, still trash..Thank You! for not sugarcoating this matter. I spoke with some top warriors players in my server and told them of what had happened. They all agreed with me that it is indeed possible given the possibilities you have mentioned. They believe me!I encourage Anet to confirm this happening by my logs. (I would not lie to Anet because they can suspend me. I would gladly accept the punishment if i am lying)Here is a 2014 video of Killshot. The player states, "Roaming with my killshot warrior. It's a shame that this build probably won't be viable anymore with the crit damage nerf""It's a shame that this build probably won't be viable anymore with the XXX nerf." That's what i said months ago when they changed the traits around but it looks like you're still gettin' it done, hehe.""Please. Please tell me this can still work?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 @Burnfall.9573 said:@zionophir.6845 said:@RedShark.9548 said:@Burnfall.9573 said:@Limodriver.4106 said:funny its ok to 1 shot ppl with ur mesmer and thief and a warrior no no no not ok.it's the other way around. it's ok for warrior to 1 shot people because warriors are a ' damage all around profession', so why not give them game breaking damages that over exceed them but it's a big game breaker if mesmer and thief to 1 shot peopleThere is not a single warrior build that gets remotely close to oneshot anyone. Dont throw around blatant lies, give me proof, that anyone with fully equipped gear got oneshot from warrior on the recent patch, proof it dude, dont just throw a tantrum for no reason. And NOBODY on a full tank build will get oneshot by ANY class. Especially not by warrior.Pics or it didnt happen.@gebrechen.5643 said:@"Cyninja.2954" said:Great, good thing Kill Shot is not an auto hit is it? Problem solved.Kill shot is one of the most telegraphed attacks in the game with a very obvious visual tell, a very long cast time and a hefty requirement which leaves the warrior without any adrenaline (and the rifle occupies one weapon slot).Sorry but this is absolutely a learn to play issue if there ever is one.You can sum up a ton of skills which would be on the "should dodge" list. My only question in this case is, what are you actually doing while you are letting someone else just pummel you and free cast all their skills?It is a problem. It's an ability that is able to kill a full toughness build in a single action. And in case you missed it. GW2 isn't a duel arena where all options are available 100% of the time and there is the issue with "culling" of skills existent. It doesn't help at all that in theory you can see "the warrior kneeling down" if he doesn't because the animation is bugged or the server decides to hide that information from you.This gets even worse when stealth classes are involved.Just cut the damage, delete damage modifiers and balance out the game between glass cannon builds, tank builds, condi builds and healing builds. At the moment there is two things that work. Massive power creep from glass cannons that aren't because they have access to invulnerables, stealth, etc. and one tank build with great damage aka boon ranger.Show me proof of a warrior oneshotting anyone, especially one with full toughness, happens NEVER. i play warrior rifle in PvP alternately with another warrior build on my free to play. and i saw another rifle warrior which can go up to 25 might and maintaining it by himself... so the WvW scenario of 20k kill shot is not far fetched, especially with ascended/food and other stat buffs... and probably what i saw in pvp is that kind of rifle warrior talked about in this thread.if legit, yeah, its good. but if hax, yeah, still trash..Thank You! for not sugarcoating this matter. I spoke with some top warriors players in my server and told them of what had happened. They all agreed with me that it is indeed possible given the possibilities you have mentioned. They believe me!I encourage Anet to confirm this happening by my logs. (I would not lie to Anet because they can suspend me. I would gladly accept the punishment if i am lying)Here is a 2014 video of Killshot. The player states, "Roaming with my killshot warrior. It's a shame that this build probably won't be viable anymore with the crit damage nerf""It's a shame that this build probably won't be viable anymore with the XXX nerf." That's what i said months ago when they changed the traits around but it looks like you're still gettin' it done, hehe.""Please. Please tell me this can still work?" do you rly think that a video from 2014 is a reliable source ?this build is absolute trash and is nothing than a gimmicky thing.if this was actually viable it would be meta, or even close to it, but it isnt, guess why ? yes because its just bad,and if you seriously have a problem with this and being killed as much that you feel the need to open a thread about it, then its plainly a l2p issue.even in the video you can see how broken his armor is, guess why ? he died ALOT. OFC its not shown in the video how he dies that much, it just shows where he fought absolutely bad players or simply had luck with his killshot. there is nothing more to it. these kinds of montages are in no way a meaningful representation of a build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larenc.1269 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 All this talk about kill shot and not a peep about me kb locking people to death or off cliffs.... Keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 2014 was over 1 year before HoT released.The build was bad even then. Just admit to yourself that you need to improve and be done with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zabeardy.5930 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 You were saying one shot war ? https://imgur.com/a/R9EiYhc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 @"Zabeardy.5930" said:You were saying one shot war ? https://imgur.com/a/R9EiYhc@"Zabeardy.5930" said:You were saying one shot war ? https://imgur.com/a/R9EiYhc"The truth cannot be hidden forever"Thank You! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo.6873 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 @Burnfall.9573 said:@"Zabeardy.5930" said:You were saying one shot war ? https://imgur.com/a/R9EiYhc@"Zabeardy.5930" said:You were saying one shot war ? https://imgur.com/a/R9EiYhc"The truth cannot be hidden forever"Thank You!................Who wants to tell him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos.4263 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 To answer the OP's question, yes. I just ate a 27525 Kill Shot in WvW. We were both mounted in my territory, nobody else for miles, so I can't see how he would've been buffed to the moon. He was following and hit me with Lance for 166 so I figured ok he wants to fight. I dismounted and managed to get in a Judge's Intervention to close the gap for minimal damage (440), and then bam downed before I could do anything else. (He followed up with an 8k Brutal Shot and a 15k Final Thrust after I was down. I got in a few burning ticks that totally didn't matter.)Maybe I played it wrong, sure. I'm not the best by a long shot, but I expected a longer fight than that. I was running Marauder's and had a bit more than 20k health, and as far as I know there isn't a viable toughness build for guardians at the moment. Sometimes I run Valkyrie and that wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome. Would appreciate knowing what I could've done differently other than just high-tailing it out of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 @Solori.6025 said:@Burnfall.9573 said:@"Zabeardy.5930" said:You were saying one shot war ? https://imgur.com/a/R9EiYhc@"Zabeardy.5930" said:You were saying one shot war ? https://imgur.com/a/R9EiYhc"The truth cannot be hidden forever"Thank You!................Who wants to tell him?Good I thought it was just me for a second and had to relook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 @Deimos.4263 said:To answer the OP's question, yes. I just ate a 27525 Kill Shot in WvW. We were both mounted in my territory, nobody else for miles, so I can't see how he would've been buffed to the moon. He was following and hit me with Lance for 166 so I figured ok he wants to fight. I dismounted and managed to get in a Judge's Intervention to close the gap for minimal damage (440), and then bam downed before I could do anything else. (He followed up with an 8k Brutal Shot and a 15k Final Thrust after I was down. I got in a few burning ticks that totally didn't matter.)Maybe I played it wrong, sure. I'm not the best by a long shot, but I expected a longer fight than that. I was running Marauder's and had a bit more than 20k health, and as far as I know there isn't a viable toughness build for guardians at the moment. Sometimes I run Valkyrie and that wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome. Would appreciate knowing what I could've done differently other than just high-tailing it out of there. Don't open with JI against a warrior. You just wasted a stunbreak and are going to get mauled regardless of his weaponset. If he can hit you with a killshot point blank, then you certainly would have gotten hit by a decapitate or an arcing slice and then get stunlocked to death. That just does their job for them.I mean, which warrior type was he? (Core, Berserker, Spellbreaker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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