Something really needs to be done about people flaming/trolling/harassing others for doing events.

[Excursion.9752]

I think we have all been there done that when it comes to people not wanting you to ruin their farm. I just reply unless you are giving me half your profits then no. Then do what ever I was doing to upset them 10 times harder and sometimes I invite friends. No need to communicate with people like that just play the game your way and enjoy!

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

@Hashberry.4510 said:HoT heroes points should just not reward any beyond 10 to 15 people at once; then less chance to crowd out the meta with a large train squad.

Metas don't get crowded out by hero trains, large or small. TD meta can be (and has been) done with 5-6 people per lane, AB with less, and VB just needs folks to spread out, even as few as 2 per objective. And PoF isn't really affected much by hero trains, since a lot of the points can be managed solo or with whoever is nearby.

[Hashberry.4510]

Ehh, I can' t agree with that, Na

[Malice Wonder.6713]

If the abuse persists, turn on your commander tag and steal their zerg away with kindness and golden dreams .

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

@Hashberry.4510 said:Ehh, I can' t agree with that, Na

You can't agree with which? I've yet to be on a map that was unable to complete the meta because of the hero train; there were always sufficient people. (And I have been on maps which had both a successful hero train and a successful meta.) It's hardly ever the number of people that is the issue.

[Kanok.3027]

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:You can't agree with which? I've yet to be on a map that was unable to complete the meta because of the hero train; there were always sufficient people. (And I have been on maps which had both a successful hero train and a successful meta.) It's hardly ever the number of people that is the issue.

Agreed. Been in HoT plenty and have seen that. I usually try to go out and solo the repeatable champ HP's in HoT for the loot they give and I've seen metas both succeed and fail and it wasn't due to trains being there or not. Not sure what you're getting at, but it's not always like that.

[MoriMoriMori.5349]

@"Chewy Komeiji.2576" said:It's obnoxious enough watching a "commander" and his lackeys scream at people on Silverwastes map chat for not joining their squad and zerging with them, but then when I end up having to outright leave a map because some group is farming events and goes off on me for trying to do a separate chain on the other side of the map and supposedly "ruining their efficiency" and "breaking their ranks," you're just convincing me that I should never, ever touch any of the game outside of following the story. For the sake of my own sanity.

You understand, right, they can do very little to you in this game? I haven't yet encountered anything like this in the game (still haven't reached silverwastes), but if I would have met such bunch off ass-kittens, I would laugh hysterically at their demands, and would proceed to pretending they are just NPC barbarians native to this land, which language and cause I don't understand.

[MoriMoriMori.5349]

@phs.6089 said:If map is organized running RIBA and someone is capping ahead, therefore messing the the rotation for 40-50 people. What do you call that?For sake or enjoyment you don't ruin others play, no?

But he doesn't ruin their play, only their farm. They still can play the game, make events etc - just their loot will be not that abundant. And yknow what? I couldn't care less. How about me and my immersion, for example? Those guys with their meta, abusing game mechanics, intruding into my private chat with their obnoxious, out-of-lore demands, prevent me from enjoying my game, by breaking my immersion. And I don't care how many of them are there, EULA doesn't give them more rights to enjoy the game than me just because they can form a bigger crowd.

God I hate farmers, especially that kind of entitled ones :P

[Mewcifer.5198]

@"Mewcifer.5198" said:I've been playing a long time and I can't remember the last time people acted in map chat the way OP is describing them.Am I just really lucky? Is OP exaggerating and/or misinterpreting the tone of other people? Or is there things OP is not telling us about what was said in map chat before the supposed rudeness?

I've seen people ask others to please do or not do something, but usually they aren't rude about it. And usually people listen to the commander.But I've had people respond to "If anyone is not doing triple trouble we kindly ask that you please swap maps for a minute so we can get people in who are wanting to do the event" with "wow talk about entitled, I can stay on this map if I want, you can't tell me to leave. You down't own the map" to which the normal response they get is "wow okay kitten" (not even usually the person who originally people to change maps but from randoms on the map) and I have no doubts that they probably went to some friend of theirs and said "you would not believe the people in map chat in bloodtide today, they were doing some event I didn't care about while I was just trying to do some map completion and they started demanding that anyone not doing that event leave and verbally abused me when I didnt"

To add on what I have said and continuing with the Triple Trouble example.Sometimes we delay the pre-event so that the commanders can make sure everyone in the squad understands the fight and calls that will be used to make everything go smoothly. To delay the event there is an enemy that spawns during an escort event we ask people to just not kill it until we say so. And we have encountered people who will purposely go and kill it just because they saw us asking people not to do it because "you can't tell me what to do". Also In triple trouble all three wurms have to be killed within a minute of each other or the event flat out fails (no resetting like AB) and so we will ask people to hold off doing certain mechanics so that we can be sure all three teams are ready to go at once. And there will be and have been people who see this as "telling them not to play the game" and get mad at us, when in reality they could cause a meta event to fail for the 100-150 other people there wanting it to succeed.

[Tanith.5264]

@"TheOrlyFactor.8341" said:

Until Anet does more than just ban in waves and give slaps on the wrists when they do ban, reporting won't do jack. At the very least, I'm not convinced reporting does anything, which is why I've stopped reporting.

It does, I believe. Some months back, on the advice of an Anet GM, I screenshotted the antics of a guild infamous for trolling the Tequatl the Sunless event. As many know, their MO is to pull/push creepers into the zerg during the burn phase, then blow them up. They then stand there spamming "F" and berating others to "learn how to dodge red circles" and so on. My guildmates and others took screenies and reported them as well. They disappeared...for a time. Anet doesn't discuss their disciplinary actions but clearly something happened.

Eventually the trolls returned, true. And while they try their rather tired stunt again occasionally, it's nothing like it was. So yes...whether it's one troll or a bunch, hit that screenshot button, and use that report function.

[Jura.2170]

@MoriMoriMori.5349It's important to know who was on the map first. because whoever came later is disturbing the other

It's not about entitlement, its about rudeness and internet etiquette

And how is taking a group of players from one place to another, breaking game mechanics?

[kharmin.7683]

@Jura.2170 said:@"MoriMoriMori.5349"It's important to know who was on the map first. because whoever came later is disturbing the otherI respectfully disagree. If a player joins a map "later" it isn't owned by those already on it. That's not how the game is designed. The player-base has added artificial rules and etiquette which are not part of the official game.

Now, I don't condone one group from maliciously acting to disrupt the other, regardless of who was on the map first.

[Mewcifer.5198]

@kharmin.7683 said:

@Jura.2170 said:@"MoriMoriMori.5349"It's important to know who was on the map first. because whoever came later is disturbing the otherI respectfully disagree. If a player joins a map "later" it isn't owned by those already on it. That's not how the game is designed. The player-base has added artificial rules and etiquette which are not part of the official game.

Now, I don't condone one group from maliciously acting to disrupt the other, regardless of who was on the map first.

The person did not imply that the maps were "owned". And no one really tried to say that etiquette are "rules".And this same kind of common courtesy is expected outside of video games as well.

Don't shove past people. Don't walk in front of someone trying to take a picture or doing their prayers. Don't be loud of vulgar in public (especially around young children), if a family is using a picnic table at a park don't come sit down at it, if people are playing a game on a sports court you don't just walk out and start playing on it as well. Etc. None of these things are laws. But that doesn't make the person acting against etiquette "right" just because it's not against the law.

I find it concerning that people tend to act like just because something is not against the rules, that it means people can't call them out on behavior that is seen as socially unacceptable.

[MoriMoriMori.5349]

@Jura.2170 said:@"MoriMoriMori.5349"And how is taking a group of players from one place to another, breaking game mechanics?

I didn't say "breaking", but "abusing". It's just I can't stand all things meta, as it's in direct conflict with suspension of disbelief needed for immersion. I log in to the game to play a game, not farm or level up. I want to see not people, but their characters, and not some scripted events which you "need to farm efficiently", but a living world full with different adventures. So sorry champs, I just will be roaming any map, rejecting any kind of knowledge about the game world except what my character could knew, realistically.

[phs.6089]

@MoriMoriMori.5349 said:

@phs.6089 said:If map is organized running RIBA and someone is capping ahead, therefore messing the the rotation for 40-50 people. What do you call that?For sake or enjoyment you don't ruin others play, no?

But he doesn't ruin their

play

, only their

farm

. They still can play the game, make events etc - just their loot will be not that abundant. And yknow what? I couldn't care less. How about me and my immersion, for example? Those guys with their meta, abusing game mechanics, intruding into my private chat with their obnoxious, out-of-lore demands, prevent me from enjoying my game, by breaking my immersion. And I don't care how many of them are there, EULA doesn't give them more rights to enjoy the game than me just because they can form a bigger crowd.

God I hate farmers, especially that kind of entitled ones :P

What is 'farm' if not part of a game in RPGMMO? Gosh this game doesn't have set dailies where you need to go farm, Try that things in any other game with dailies that require you to kill 30 BAMs, get in there and tag, mess with their farm and see how your unicorn and rainbows doing.People have nothing to do with farm in game came to going in circles, it's not peoples fault that one can't chose to jump maps. All we can do is look around and try to respect each other, otherwise be ready to get flamed and come to forum with complains.

[MoriMoriMori.5349]

@phs.6089 said:What is 'farm' if not part of a game in RPGMMO?

A bad, outdated part of MMORPG design? I don't see how it fits in any game at all, tbh. It's opposite to gameplay, as you can see in this example people who are doing it couldn't care less about game mechanics and immersion, they just need to increase some counters in their account on the servers asap. It doesn't make any sense to me, so it's hard for me to respect this.

@phs.6089 said:Gosh this game doesn't have set dailies where you need to go farm, Try that things in any other game with dailies that require you to kill 30 BAMs, get in there and tag, mess with their farm and see how your unicorn and rainbows doing.

That's why I would never play any of those farm-centered atrocities, and play GW2 instead. And I don't want to deal with this mentality here either.

@phs.6089 said:otherwise be ready to get flamed and come to forum with complains.

I don't have that much problems with it as OP has. I would just block the guy, or hide the chat, and continue playing. If those guys wish to abuse mechanics munchkin-stile, they will have to invest additional efforts into polishing their schemes to account for people like me, who actually use the game the way it should have been used - as a game.

[Ashantara.8731]

@"Chewy Komeiji.2576" said:because some group is farming events and goes off on me for trying to do a separate chain on the other side of the map and supposedly "ruining their efficiency" and "breaking their ranks,"

Well, that is somewhat antisocial on your end. If a squad is listed in LFG for doing an efficient RIBA farm run, you should join them instead of opening a squad of your own for the same purpose (or switch to another map instance?). If, however, you are doing something completely different on the map (map completion, coin collection,...), then there is no reason why the two of you should have a quarrel.

If someone is being a d-bag by flaming and trolling you, you should definitely report, then block them - but that is a different story.

[phs.6089]

@MoriMoriMori.5349 said:

@phs.6089 said:What is 'farm' if not part of a game in RPGMMO?

A bad, outdated part of MMORPG design? I don't see how it fits in any game at all, tbh. It's opposite to gameplay, as you can see in this example people who are doing it couldn't care less about game mechanics and immersion, they just need to increase some counters in their account on the servers asap. It doesn't make any sense to me, so it's hard for me to respect this.

Well GW2 has 'outdated' part of MMRPG, take it or leave it.

Gameplay in any RPG assumes gearing, gearing in RPG is farming mats and resources. So outdated.

[Magnus Godrik.5841]

Block and report. I think you right click the individuals name.