Something really needs to be done about people flaming/trolling/harassing others for doing events.

kharmin.7683 · February 21, 2019

@phs.6089 said:'I do what I want, you all have tough luck' GottchaLike it or not, this is the way of MMOs. Personally, I don't agree with the sentiment but there is little I can do about it as this is how the genre is structured. Where I have issue with it is when the player(s) is being malicious with their actions.

phs.6089 · February 21, 2019

@kharmin.7683 said:
@phs.6089 said:'I do what I want, you all have tough luck' GottchaLike it or not, this is the way of MMOs. Personally, I don't agree with the sentiment but there is little I can do about it as this is how the genre is structured. Where I have issue with it is when the player(s) is being malicious with their actions.

Then this topic is meaningless, OP was called out for messing with efficiency on organized map, in case of SW it is capping ahead. I can bet Comm called and asked to don't do that but when they arrived camp was capped.So comm assume he/she sees low trolling. I don't defend for 'maybe' (as we know the only single side of the story) harassing in map chat. But it is MMO, you gotta be ready to face reaction for your actions.

kharmin.7683 · February 21, 2019

@phs.6089 said:Then this topic is meaningless, OP was called out for messing with efficiency on organized map, in case of SW it is capping ahead. I can bet Comm called and asked to don't do that but when they arrived camp was capped.So comm assume he/she sees low trolling. I don't defend for 'maybe' (as we know the only single side of the story) harassing in map chat. But it is MMO, you gotta be ready to face reaction for your actions.We're all making assumptions as to how this particular scenario went down as none but the OP were there and we only have that side of things. With that in mind, then I agree that the topic is meaningless.

Dami.5046 · February 21, 2019

At least the Comms that do PvE don't ask for meta builds, well any i've joined don't and we do just fine.

Skotlex.7580 · February 21, 2019

Fortunately, I believe the only place where this can happen is silverwastes, as I don't recall any other place where people squad up and farm events of some map.

Now, this totally reminds me of the champion train in QueensDale, it had the whole "don't mess with our farm!" harassing vibe as well in map chat.

And Queensdale is the starter map for human characters, now that was all degrees of awful for new players.

So, to OP, it's unfortunate this can happen, but fortunately it only does in one map out of the 50+ the game has, and not even in every instance (I don't usually bump into any tags when I venture into SW).

ANet does continue to address events in which players quarrel over each other instead of cooperating (they made changes to meta events in kourma and the latest map exactly because of this).

However, there's a limit to how much they can change the game, and I doubt they will (or can, for that matter) change how silverwastes works to prevent this kind of farm happening.

Perhaps some kinder communication would prevent such situations, but as was also mentioned before.... some people just want to mess up with others, and that causes the frustration you might have had directed at OP.

Cerioth.7062 · February 21, 2019

Everyone should have the basic sense of respect towards your fellow players, in my opinion. Sure, play the game your way, but try to consider there are others playing it with you too.

Ayakaru.6583 · February 21, 2019

just do what you want to.i've been flamed plenty of times for doing events.

I remember a time in Orr, where the assaults were.. (not kinda bugged, but poorly optimized).Which resulted in people wanting an event to fail so there was an infinite loop of 'defend the camp' events with champions.if you tried to complete the event, you got a literal pile of dolyak excrement thrown your way.

block them if they go too far, and report them if they immediately turn to insults

just ask yourself "do you need this event, or not?"if you do, your success goes above their farming, 100% of the time.

Biff.5312 · February 21, 2019

@phs.6089 said:
If map is organized running RIBA and someone is capping ahead, therefore messing the the rotation for 40-50 people. What do you call that?For sake or enjoyment you don't ruin others play, no?

A lot of times players have no idea about the larger picture. If a new player starts an event out of your sequence, the correct thing to do is let him know that there's an order to doing these things, and would he like to join the squad to learn the rotation - NOT screaming at him and berating him for trying something that looks fun.

I can recall one time finding a chest lying around and I opened it. Turns out it was the caffeinated skritt, which I'd never heard of. People flipped their lids over it, insulting me every way they could. It was an honest mistake. I din't know what it was, and everything about playing MMOs told me to go ahead and see what's inside.

The issue again isn't who should be doing what - it's the attitude being displayed.

Jura.2170 · February 21, 2019

if you do, your success goes above their farming, 100% of the time.

If they were here first farming, isn't it rude to come in and disturb them?

blackheartgary.8605 · February 21, 2019

i see three major points that practically everyone here is touching on. and all of them are absolutely valid and highly recommended to remember. and yes, this is coming from someone who tags up on events often(100% of the time it's to rally the troops to a cool event on a map)the first point. block/ignore/report. if someone is being that much of a glory hog that they cannot see that not everyone wants to play their reindeer games, and they are being rude about it to you, then by all means excercise your right to block/ignore, and in worst case scenario, report). IF, however they are being respectful in their request, be the bigger person, let it slide, and either stay on the map to do your own thing or move to another instance to do your own thing. THAT SAID.....Point number 2: no one owns a map. i don't care if it's SW or VB or AB or Queensdale. i don't care if it's the most elite squad on the planet doing the hardest boss on the planet in the most efficient way possible(like triple trouble or chak gerent) there is not a single map in game Owned by any guild except their guild hall, and last time i checked, they don't hold metas there. You do you, play your game, and chill.keep popcorn on standby if the drama ensues because your mere presence "hinders" them. (PSST.... it doesn't).Point number 3:don't be that guy(or gal). don't be the guy(or gal) who deliberately (even if you "didn't mean it" ) trolls an event for the sake of trolling. for every person out there that gets upset because they are asked to politely change instances, there is someone that does everything they can to rile up the masses of people actually working on the upticking of the event. Trust me when i say this, i am not saying you, the OP, are doing this. not my call. I am simply saying.... don't be that guy(or gal). chances are good, if you are, you yourself will get ignored/blocked/reported.

Menadena.7482 · February 21, 2019

@Cerioth.7062 said:My favourite was when I was posting a guild recruitment post on Verdant Brink one time, I had just entered the map, and supposedly a guild was hosting a night meta. They got mad at me and told me theyre hosting an event in the map and that I shouldnt recruit for my guild. Lol.

You mean you did not ask some random person to get their permission first when you? How rude! :)

Tags have their uses when organizing ('5 more people needed on the orange tag event') but in general, yeah, a lot of people just use them for bragging rights.

FrizzFreston.5290 · February 21, 2019

@phs.6089 said:
@kharmin.7683 said:
@phs.6089 said:'I do what I want, you all have tough luck' GottchaLike it or not, this is the way of MMOs. Personally, I don't agree with the sentiment but there is little I can do about it as this is how the genre is structured. Where I have issue with it is when the player(s) is being malicious with their actions.

Then this topic is meaningless, OP was called out for messing with efficiency on organized map, in case of SW it is capping ahead. I can bet Comm called and asked to don't do that but when they arrived camp was capped.So comm assume he/she sees low trolling. I don't defend for 'maybe' (as we know the only single side of the story) harassing in map chat. But it is MMO, you gotta be ready to face reaction for your actions.

Its simply 'badly designed'. If doing something in a unnatural programmed way is more profitable than simply playing with whats in front of you, on the go or naturally helping out, then that will always lead to problems between efficiency and leisurely exploring. Everyone getting the same rewards at regular intervals depending on the complete state would be more intuitive and cause less friction.

Ofcourse, it would also be more boring or harder to improve efficiency playing in the map to get the best loot.

I personally really dislike predescribed ways of "how you should play", And I have more times than not did things out of order because it simply was on my path, rather than paying attention to map chat.

This isnt about malicious intent, but two playstyles that dont mix unless the meta or event is designed so this doesnt happen as much.

phs.6089 · February 21, 2019

@FrizzFreston.5290 said:
@phs.6089 said:
@kharmin.7683 said:
@phs.6089 said:'I do what I want, you all have tough luck' GottchaLike it or not, this is the way of MMOs. Personally, I don't agree with the sentiment but there is little I can do about it as this is how the genre is structured. Where I have issue with it is when the player(s) is being malicious with their actions.

Then this topic is meaningless, OP was called out for messing with efficiency on organized map, in case of SW it is capping ahead. I can bet Comm called and asked to don't do that but when they arrived camp was capped.So comm assume he/she sees low trolling. I don't defend for 'maybe' (as we know the only single side of the story) harassing in map chat. But it is MMO, you gotta be ready to face reaction for your actions.

Its simply 'badly designed'. If doing something in a unnatural programmed way is more profitable than simply playing with whats in front of you, on the go or naturally helping out, then that will always lead to problems between efficiency and leisurely exploring. Everyone getting the same rewards at regular intervals depending on the complete state would be more intuitive and cause less friction.

Ofcourse, it would also be more boring or harder to improve efficiency playing in the map to get the best loot.

I personally really dislike predescribed ways of "how you should play", And I have more times than not did things out of order because it simply was on my path, rather than paying attention to map chat.

This isnt about malicious intent, but two playstyles that dont mix unless the meta or event is designed so this doesn't happen as much.

Please it's one of the best designs, no killsteal, no farm denial, no waiting for days on a boss, no loot ninja etc.Its just organized meta on map doesn't have to suffer from people that want to play with what is in front of them. I get that it's happiness simply don't knowing/not having information on what is going on. But still, MMO you play with people, try to pay attention on what is going on around you.

FrizzFreston.5290 · February 21, 2019

@phs.6089 said:
@FrizzFreston.5290 said:
@phs.6089 said:
@kharmin.7683 said:
@phs.6089 said:'I do what I want, you all have tough luck' GottchaLike it or not, this is the way of MMOs. Personally, I don't agree with the sentiment but there is little I can do about it as this is how the genre is structured. Where I have issue with it is when the player(s) is being malicious with their actions.

Then this topic is meaningless, OP was called out for messing with efficiency on organized map, in case of SW it is capping ahead. I can bet Comm called and asked to don't do that but when they arrived camp was capped.So comm assume he/she sees low trolling. I don't defend for 'maybe' (as we know the only single side of the story) harassing in map chat. But it is MMO, you gotta be ready to face reaction for your actions.

Its simply 'badly designed'. If doing something in a unnatural programmed way is more profitable than simply playing with whats in front of you, on the go or naturally helping out, then that will always lead to problems between efficiency and leisurely exploring. Everyone getting the same rewards at regular intervals depending on the complete state would be more intuitive and cause less friction.

Ofcourse, it would also be more boring or harder to improve efficiency playing in the map to get the best loot.

I personally really dislike predescribed ways of "how you should play", And I have more times than not did things out of order because it simply was on my path, rather than paying attention to map chat.

This isnt about malicious intent, but two playstyles that dont mix unless the meta or event is designed so this doesn't happen as much.

Please it's one of the best designs, no killsteal, no farm denial, no waiting for days on a boss, no loot ninja etc.Its just organized meta on map doesn't have to suffer from people that want to play with what is in front of them. I get that it's happiness simply don't knowing/not having information on what is going on. But still, MMO you play with people, try to pay attention on what is going on around you.

I did make quotationmarks for a reason. Also, playing with other players isnt the same as trying to force people to play with eachother. Goals are simply different, some play for fun, other play for loot. Usually that mixes, but in years old content, some people have gone above and beyond to get the most loot while others dont like to stick to a schedule in order to do the events.

And while you can take jabs at people being ignorant, I'm not even saying that either way is playing in the wrong way. I guess its just an alien concept that people dont always play for the most loot at all times.

And its a game, some people have an actual work where they do repetitive grinding that playing a game is where they dont pay attention to the supposed holy way of playing and just go about their business and enjoy themselves.

Bloodstealer.5978 · February 21, 2019

@phs.6089 said:
@Bloodstealer.5978 said:
@phs.6089 said:
@Ashen.2907 said:
@phs.6089 said:If you with you actions messing with RIBA rotation, the question is who is the troll harasser.

If the OP is playing the content for the sake of enjoying said content, and others verbally abuse him, then the abusers are the harassers and trolls.

If the someone is playing out of sequence of others on the map for the purpose of hindering their ability to achieve their goals, then he is the troll.

If map is organized running RIBA and someone is capping ahead, therefore messing the the rotation for 40-50 people. What do you call that?For sake or enjoyment you don't ruin others play, no?

I call it playing what you want, doing stuff on a map that had 40-50 others on it doing their thing.No one owns a map, no one takes precedent over another. If those 40-50 don't like it, then that's just tough luck.. they also have the option to block, report if there is abuse coming towards them in chat, but at the same time they can leave the map if its upsetting them so much they feel they have the right to harass and abuse others not wanting to conform to their demands.Having a tag or a zerg gives you the same map ownership and event priority as a single roamer - exactly none!

Now I see the logic of people that pull kitten under Teq's fees, pop bauble before gold in brench, kill east, while other lines haven't even started -one burn in AB etc.

'I do what I want, you all have tough luck' Gottcha

If they are intentionally causing issues then report them... I remember ANET dealing with a similar abuse when the candy corn tonics hit the game...but players doing their own thing, completing events killing mobs etc while on a map is not being a troll. Those abusing via chat however are the real problem no matter what side of the argument you sit.One thing I still hate about GW2 is ANET's thinking it cool to place incentive behind failing events... that is an open world recipe for toxicity that can cause these kind of issues to arise by no fault of the players who both have genuine reasons to want to complete or fail the same event.... Orr comes to mind alot here and not just the Arah defence.But like it or not no one has ownership of a map or mapwide events only their own behaviour whilst on the map... the sooner players accept that the less likely map will e flood with toxicity and whisper harrassement will be less likely.

phs.6089 · February 21, 2019

@FrizzFreston.5290 said:
@phs.6089 said:
@FrizzFreston.5290 said:
@phs.6089 said:
@kharmin.7683 said:
@phs.6089 said:'I do what I want, you all have tough luck' GottchaLike it or not, this is the way of MMOs. Personally, I don't agree with the sentiment but there is little I can do about it as this is how the genre is structured. Where I have issue with it is when the player(s) is being malicious with their actions.