SeikeNz.3526 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 the sustain is out of control while doing heavy dmg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Complaining is truly useless...you won't see any change for the next 10 months at least..if you're lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 @"SeikeNz.3526" said:the sustain is out of control while doing heavy dmgYeah, you're going to have to go into more detail here. There is nothing to go on besides "I don't like x". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 @Arheundel.6451 said:Complaining is truly useless...you won't see any change for the next 10 months at least..if you're luckyScrapper went from an absurd god mode side noder that was all over ranked and won all but one of the MAT's power rework to merely being strong, to getting dumpstered, to coming back good (Maybe? I haven't seen any post patch.)If anything Scrappers are the most likely to receive wild balancing swings these past few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 @Sigmoid.7082 said:@"SeikeNz.3526" said:the sustain is out of control while doing heavy dmgYeah, you're going to have to go into more detail here. There is nothing to go on besides "I don't like x". Strenght line + tactics line....well played warrior was already unkillable with godly dmg...now same is worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 @mortrialus.3062 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:Complaining is truly useless...you won't see any change for the next 10 months at least..if you're luckyScrapper went from an absurd god mode side noder that was all over ranked and won all but one of the MAT's power rework to merely being strong, to getting dumpstered, to coming back good (Maybe? I haven't seen any post patch.)If anything Scrappers are the most likely to receive wild balancing swings these past few months. cant wait to see 1shot zerker scrappers that are immune to damage :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Scrappers sustain can be an issue, to the point anything less than a 2v1 takes to much time to try and take the node their on which should never be the case. No class should be able to camp a node and only be removed by outnumbered instances. Warrior if keeping the sustain they have should maybe have their over all dps shaved a bit and I feel like their mobility is right where it should be. Holo's still need the most tuning down imo.This is all subjective of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 @Arheundel.6451 said:@Sigmoid.7082 said:@"SeikeNz.3526" said:the sustain is out of control while doing heavy dmgYeah, you're going to have to go into more detail here. There is nothing to go on besides "I don't like x". Strenght line + tactics line....well played warrior was already unkillable with godly dmg...now same is worstYea, nah, show me one good build that uses strenght and tactics. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 @Arheundel.6451 said:@Sigmoid.7082 said:@"SeikeNz.3526" said:the sustain is out of control while doing heavy dmgYeah, you're going to have to go into more detail here. There is nothing to go on besides "I don't like x". Strenght line + tactics line....well played warrior was already unkillable with godly dmg...now same is worstidk man.. dropping defense or discipline is maybe not the best idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 @DanAlcedo.3281 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@Sigmoid.7082 said:@"SeikeNz.3526" said:the sustain is out of control while doing heavy dmgYeah, you're going to have to go into more detail here. There is nothing to go on besides "I don't like x". Strenght line + tactics line....well played warrior was already unkillable with godly dmg...now same is worstidk man.. dropping defense or discipline is maybe not the best idea.Vaans has been doing it in ATs at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyjoy.5167 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Scrapper overbuffed? Bruh...Engi has good sustain as a profession. It is clear that it is intended.DMG part is the part that should be balanced around, but do remember that some of potential sustain is nerfed in built-in traits of Scrapper. Therefore, it is intended that Scrapper has some recompensation in dmg output. Otherwise, defensive capabilities should not been handicapped.Scrapper now feel ok-ish. It was literally dead for couple of months, let us have it for a while in fine spot.As for the warrior, I kinda feel it may be overtuned at the moment. Maybe it's because Warr is now directly counter class of Scrapper so it feels like that to me? Hard to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeikeNz.3526 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 @Greyjoy.5167 said:Scrapper overbuffed? Bruh...Engi has good sustain as a profession. It is clear that it is intended.DMG part is the part that should be balanced around, but do remember that some of potential sustain is nerfed in built-in traits of Scrapper. Therefore, it is intended that Scrapper has some recompensation in dmg output. Otherwise, defensive capabilities should not been handicapped.Scrapper now feel ok-ish. It was literally dead for couple of months, let us have it for a while in fine spot.As for the warrior, I kinda feel it may be overtuned at the moment. Maybe it's because Warr is now directly counter class of Scrapper so it feels like that to me? Hard to say.good sustain is a thing, afk a node and need 3 to kill is another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyjoy.5167 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 @SeikeNz.3526 said:@Greyjoy.5167 said:Scrapper overbuffed? Bruh...Engi has good sustain as a profession. It is clear that it is intended.DMG part is the part that should be balanced around, but do remember that some of potential sustain is nerfed in built-in traits of Scrapper. Therefore, it is intended that Scrapper has some recompensation in dmg output. Otherwise, defensive capabilities should not been handicapped.Scrapper now feel ok-ish. It was literally dead for couple of months, let us have it for a while in fine spot.As for the warrior, I kinda feel it may be overtuned at the moment. Maybe it's because Warr is now directly counter class of Scrapper so it feels like that to me? Hard to say.good sustain is a thing, afk a node and need 3 to kill is anotherShow me that to kill a Scrapper, 3 people are necessary. Similar skill level.I highly doubt.You do need 3 unskilled headbutting the keyboard monkeys to kill the Scrapper. If Scrap is in bunker build, you will need 2 at least fine people and it will be down after ~15-20 sec. If it is in any offensive variation, Scrapper is dead after one burst combo of one skilled player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lich King.1524 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Just fighting with another player on my weaver, had Protection UPthen bomm, and I am dead instantly.How should I react?Is it fun?War is overbuffed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeikeNz.3526 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 @Greyjoy.5167 said:@SeikeNz.3526 said:@Greyjoy.5167 said:Scrapper overbuffed? Bruh...Engi has good sustain as a profession. It is clear that it is intended.DMG part is the part that should be balanced around, but do remember that some of potential sustain is nerfed in built-in traits of Scrapper. Therefore, it is intended that Scrapper has some recompensation in dmg output. Otherwise, defensive capabilities should not been handicapped.Scrapper now feel ok-ish. It was literally dead for couple of months, let us have it for a while in fine spot.As for the warrior, I kinda feel it may be overtuned at the moment. Maybe it's because Warr is now directly counter class of Scrapper so it feels like that to me? Hard to say.good sustain is a thing, afk a node and need 3 to kill is anotherShow me that to kill a Scrapper, 3 people are necessary. Similar skill level.I highly doubt.You do need 3 unskilled headbutting the keyboard monkeys to kill the Scrapper. If Scrap is in bunker build, you will need 2 at least fine people and it will be down after ~15-20 sec. If it is in any offensive variation, Scrapper is dead after one burst combo of one skilled player.yeah because dmg/defense/stats are player skill now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyjoy.5167 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 @SeikeNz.3526 said:@Greyjoy.5167 said:@SeikeNz.3526 said:@Greyjoy.5167 said:Scrapper overbuffed? Bruh...Engi has good sustain as a profession. It is clear that it is intended.DMG part is the part that should be balanced around, but do remember that some of potential sustain is nerfed in built-in traits of Scrapper. Therefore, it is intended that Scrapper has some recompensation in dmg output. Otherwise, defensive capabilities should not been handicapped.Scrapper now feel ok-ish. It was literally dead for couple of months, let us have it for a while in fine spot.As for the warrior, I kinda feel it may be overtuned at the moment. Maybe it's because Warr is now directly counter class of Scrapper so it feels like that to me? Hard to say.good sustain is a thing, afk a node and need 3 to kill is anotherShow me that to kill a Scrapper, 3 people are necessary. Similar skill level.I highly doubt.You do need 3 unskilled headbutting the keyboard monkeys to kill the Scrapper. If Scrap is in bunker build, you will need 2 at least fine people and it will be down after ~15-20 sec. If it is in any offensive variation, Scrapper is dead after one burst combo of one skilled player.yeah because dmg/defense/stats are player skill now Yeah you just confirmed my predictions about your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 @mortrialus.3062 said:@DanAlcedo.3281 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@Sigmoid.7082 said:@"SeikeNz.3526" said:the sustain is out of control while doing heavy dmgYeah, you're going to have to go into more detail here. There is nothing to go on besides "I don't like x". Strenght line + tactics line....well played warrior was already unkillable with godly dmg...now same is worstidk man.. dropping defense or discipline is maybe not the best idea.Vaans has been doing it in ATs at least. Actually his comp has been running double Core TactWar. I lost a final round to this comp yesterday.I could swear I had the aftertaste of this cheese flavor in my mouth after that match. I had to go brush my teeth to get it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 @"Lich King.1524" said:Just fighting with another player on my weaver, had Protection UPthen bomm, and I am dead instantly.How should I react?Is it fun?War is overbuffedFFA arena is not particularly useful as a metric. FIghts in that arena are often cheesed to hell. Take for example, the meme arc divider build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 War is overbuffed?It dies to conditions like no tomorrow.And condition overloads are everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeikeNz.3526 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 @Fueki.4753 said:War is overbuffed?It dies to conditions like no tomorrow.And condition overloads are everywhere.what? all warriors that i fight can clean conditions like no tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravan.3876 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 @SeikeNz.3526 said:the sustain is out of control while doing heavy dmgThat is a base problem form Anet balance since game release. It just got worse with the time. But the dmg-sustain relation never was in a good spot and kind of bruiser builds always favored over high risk/ high reward builds, turned those builds more and more into high risk/ low reward builds. That has also to do with all the defensive traitlines being so passively designed and for that very beginner friendly to use. But i haven't noticed Warrior or Scrapper being on top of that unbalanced list atm tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oslaf Beinir.5842 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 it seems someone needs some condi damage plus cc back in the meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother.1504 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Play fotm builds based on poor balance. People will say you win because your cancer. They will be right but you will be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 when Anet reworked Scrapperpeople don't know how to kill them yells 'nerf the shit'people know how to kill them 'HAH! easy peasy DELETED'Scrappers 'NOICE!!!'when Anet nerfs Scrapper to the floorpeople don't know how to kill them 'NOICE!!!'people know how to kill them 'HAH! easy peasy DELETED'Scrappers 'WTF?!?!?! go away, nerf Holos'when Aner buffs Scrappers a bitpeople don't know how to kill them yells 'nerf the shit'people know how to kill them 'HAH! easy peasy DELETED'Scrappers 'it's ok... ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 @crepuscular.9047 said:-snipScrapper's been a shit show since it was first announced. There have been a few metas where it was good, but honestly it's just a sad excuse for an elite spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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