eyestrain.3056 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Why does my (male charr) Scourge say "Sanity is but a Mirage!" when using his elite punishment skill? What does this have to do with necromancy... Is this line intended for Mirage and it's just a bug?What do your scourges say when using the punishment elite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Just heard my partner's Sylvari Scourge say the same (or very similar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyestrain.3056 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 If it's intended it doesn't seem appropriate for a necromancer. Mind games have always been mesmer territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambent.6375 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Maybe it's was inspired by that face that in a lot of fantasies necromancers are depicted as being a bit off, and kinda unstable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyestrain.3056 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 Ugh if that's the case I hate it. lolSounds like Jared Leto's Joker on Hot Topic merch. Aside from that mental health and school of magic should never be tied to each other. Individual players and characters should determine those things case by case. "You're playing the CRAZY class" stinks to high heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castlemanic.3198 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I mean, scourges are from a desert region, which has actual mirages (no not the elite spec, the real life phenomena), so it kinda fits. Also, considering that the elite reaches into the realm of torment, which was where abaddon was once trapped, and how many who are tormented by extreme circumstances can go insane, i'd say it fits.While it is a bit odd that charr would say it, they would have been taught by those native to the region, so i dunno. Torment is also a condition heavily used. I know i'm reaching with this post, but I also think it's not the most key thing to analyse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyestrain.3056 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 Mirage, the class, is also sand themed. In HoT the elite specs were themed more to their profession and less to the environment, so the PoF specs do have less distinguishable elements like "uses sand magic". Still it seems way more like a Mirage line than a Scourge one. I understand Scourge's roots in torment, and I guess you could tie torment to sanity? It's a stretch. This line is just really weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandlero.6312 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Mirage, being a heavy Confusion dealing spec/class, the play of Sanity being the opposite of Confusion, and Mirage being the class/spec... Scourge should not be saying this line. It is a Mirage line being accidentally said by the Scourge. I do wonder if Mirages say the Scourge line with their elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyestrain.3056 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Good point. Anyone heard their Mirage saying something decidedly death related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayumi Spender.1082 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 @eyestrain.3056 said:Ugh if that's the case I hate it. lolSounds like Jared Leto's Joker on Hot Topic merch. Aside from that mental health and school of magic should never be tied to each other. Individual players and characters should determine those things case by case. "You're playing the CRAZY class" stinks to high heaven.I don't know.People usually call me crazy for having a huge fascination with the dead and spirits all my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaltys.7649 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Mirage epic is Jaunt, "Shadowstep to a target location and confuse nearby foes". And your quote would make sense for that, so it does sound like something got mixed up...?I tried checking it with my Asura mesmer, but he didn't seem to say anything at all when using Jaunt, got tired of trying after fifty ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konig Des Todes.2086 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The Realm of Torment, tied to the elite skill, leads people to insanity. Necromancers have a long history of "piercing the veil" of illusions. Sanity is just a mirage (aka sanity is an illusion), and the Scourge is utilizing energies that draw people to insanity against their foes.Makes sense to me, albeit a bit convoluted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unholy Pillager.3791 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 It certainly fits with the lines the NPCs in the Realm of Torment had in Nightfall."There is a song at the center of the world, my friend, and it is the sound of razors through flesh."Let's just reach into there and pull out something horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayumi Spender.1082 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 @"Unholy Pillager.3791" said:It certainly fits with the lines the NPCs in the Realm of Torment had in Nightfall."There is a song at the center of the world, my friend, and it is the sound of razors through flesh."Let's just reach into there and pull out something horrible.As an ally to do your bidding.I'm not seeing insane, I'm seeing genius.(in before thin line between the two and blah blah blah). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unholy Pillager.3791 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 @Ayumi Spender.1082 said:@"Unholy Pillager.3791" said:It certainly fits with the lines the NPCs in the Realm of Torment had in Nightfall."There is a song at the center of the world, my friend, and it is the sound of razors through flesh."Let's just reach into there and pull out something horrible.As an ally to do your bidding.I'm not seeing insane, I'm seeing genius.(in before thin line between the two and blah blah blah).As a mad scientist, I'm not disagreeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 @Zaltys.7649 said:Mirage epic is Jaunt, "Shadowstep to a target location and confuse nearby foes". And your quote would make sense for that, so it does sound like something got mixed up...?I tried checking it with my Asura mesmer, but he didn't seem to say anything at all when using Jaunt, got tired of trying after fifty ports.There is dialogue during Jaunt.My asura says "over here!" and "shifting sands!" or similar - which I like, nice and short.I really don't want that sanity is but a mirage line on mirage - I don't like how it reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batelle.1680 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think the difference is between the tone of the the Mesmer class versus the Necromancer class- the former is significantly lighter in style and tone across all skills and descriptions than the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasC.1056 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think the core thing in there is "sanity". Considering the tooltip says the skill is related to the Torment realm, it's arguable that no sanity has to be expected there. Maybe only the word mirage was awkward in that context, but sanity... why not ? Eventhough I'm usually more for the split between : mind wrack = mesmer ; body wrack = necro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayakaru.6583 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Its about fear, you need to focus on the apect of sanity, and how it's fake. Its supposed to be a taunt, or a suggestion that your fear is 'real'.Fear is probably the only mental aspect that better fits necromancers than mesmers.They used mirage as a synonym of illusion/false since we're in the desert now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayumi Spender.1082 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 @ThomasC.1056 said:I think the core thing in there is "sanity". Considering the tooltip says the skill is related to the Torment realm, it's arguable that no sanity has to be expected there. Maybe only the word mirage was awkward in that context, but sanity... why not ? Eventhough I'm usually more for the split between : mind wrack = mesmer ; body wrack = necro.Seeing how my Mirage can dash into enemies with the axe and make a 2nd form of myself and then make me and the clone vanish and come out of no where and attack which causes that enemy(ies) to start attack each other due to confusion at times... I say the whole "Sanity is just a Mirage" works well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyestrain.3056 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 @"Ayumi Spender.1082" said:I don't know.People usually call me crazy for having a huge fascination with the dead and spirits all my life.Except Necromancy, and real life interest in death, are not crazy. I understand how fascination with death is stigmatized as weird, or how people view someone who spends a lot of time surrounded by death is somehow an unwell person. But you should recognize there is nothing inherently sick about it- in reality or for these fantasy magic users. It's just interest and specialization in an important aspect of being alive- death is part of life and nature, as much as elemental magic, druidic magic, etc. I accept people will consider death and necromancy taboo or "crazy". But that's a lack of understanding on their part- not the objective reality. Necromancers should be the last ones to be insinuate they are insane for using their magic.I stand by my point that sanity, and mental health, deserve to be handled on an individual level and painting a whole class as insane is really distasteful- if that's what this line is getting at for scourges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necromaniac.7629 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Sanity is but a mirage! Ghastly Breach inflicts the enemy with torment by "breaching into the realm of torment" and the definition of torment is "severe physical or mental suffering" and a mirage is "an optical illusion caused by atmospheric conditions, especially the appearance of a sheet of water in a desert or on a hot road caused by the refraction of light from the sky by heated air." Hence sanity; "the ability to think and behave in a normal and rational manner; sound mental health" is a "mere mirage" in the realm of torment. So imo, they kinda misused "mirage" cause sanity cant be a mirage, it could be though, Sanity is but an illusion! Illusion-"anything that seems to be something that it is not"(which would it make sound if more "mesmery" or not necrotic), but i guess since in PoF, the specs are so tied with the environment, (as someone stated previously) and the environment in PoF is mostly desert and mirages happen a lot in deserts, the word mirage would most likely fit. In my opinion also, there's alot of things in gw2 that the wording seems to "fit" more, a specific class,but I don't think words have to be subjective to specific classes. As someone said though, this might not be the key thing to analyse, but I just like analyzing stuff and I think i did well :smiley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 This has been bugged since forever, most notable in WvW where you tend to take notice of classes. Was just a few days ago when I ran by a Charr scourge out of combat suddenly going "lock and load."Well, at least it was better than the usual hearing voices in your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 @eyestrain.3056 said:What do your scourges say when using the punishment elite?I always found that one odd myself. (shrugs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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