An Anniversary Proposal for Legendary Trinkets

[GuriGashi.5617]

The whole process of enabling free build customization for your account in form of acquiring Legendary Trinkets is extremely frustrating for the amount of effort you have to get through to obtain something as simple as that & tedious as you are forced to play areas of the game that you simply aren‘t interested in. Legendary Weapons at least you can complete next to the story and Legendary Armor/Backpack can be obtained by playing your favorite area of the game. At this point in time alot of players are highly specialized in PvE, PvP or WvW and also would like to continue to do what they like most.ArenaNet always said Legendary Equipment is mostly meant as aesthetically pleasing equipment with nice visual effects, but which doesn‘t offer any competitive advantages for players. Well, stat customization is a big competitive advantage and it should be more accessible for a wider range of players.

As people are starting to own most of their favorite Gem Store related items (Gliders, Mounts, Tools, Bank Slots etc) ArenaNet will eventually have to find more ways of income between expansions to produce the best content possible. I know it is alot to ask for, but I would love to see ArenaNet selling Legendary Trinkets with small visual effects for a high price at the Gem Store (maybe as an „one time Anniversary Special“? :) ). 5000 gems for an amulet, 4000 gems for accessories/rings. It would be a great opportunity to cash in for ArenaNet, since alot of players that I know (mostly Plat PvP Players that never even heard of something like „Legendary Divination“) would purchase them immediately just to be able to switch builds easily when having fun in WvW. I feel a huge part of that „fun“ in a game goes down the drain when everyone is running Berserker Armor and has to invest to simply test or mix attribute combinations.

I wish you all a great day fellas and already can see the „PW2“ insults being flung at me lol

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

If, as stated, "stat customization is a big competitive advantage", how can selling said advantage not be Pay to Win?

[Metasynaptic.1093]

Taking coalescence as an example, you're looking at 6800 or so gems just for the gold cost, not factoring in the time, achievements and work involved.

So, rough back of the envelope, you're looking at 10k gems minimum.

I'm sure you'd be fine paying a low ball 5k gems, but anet ain't going to make that a reality.

[flog.3485]

No legendary items should never ever be sold through the gemstore.

It was a mistake in core and since then, this mistake has never been repeated again. If you want awesome visuals though, don’t be scared to spend your money on these outfits, single armor piece skins, mount skins and black lion stuffs.

[Valandur.4162]

Seriously, just stop asking the devs to make this game become P2W already. I am all for supporting the game through the gem store and with cosmetics, but legendaries are that: Legendary. Plopping it into the gem store won‘t make it “legendary“ anymore.

If you want it, grind it - even if it‘s not in a game mode you like to play. The main thing behind this is to get ppl to play another game mode that they otherwise might not have touched. If you don‘t want to go into that game mode, then tough luck and leave it be and live with the fact that you won‘t have that particular legendary.

[GuriGashi.5617]

@Valandur.4162 said:Seriously, just stop asking the devs to make this game become P2W already. I am all for supporting the game through the gem store and with cosmetics, but legendaries are that: Legendary. Plopping it into the gem store won‘t make it “legendary“ anymore.

If you want it, grind it - even if it‘s not in a game mode you like to play. The main thing behind this is to get ppl to play another game mode that they otherwise might not have touched. If you don‘t want to go into that game mode, then tough luck and leave it be and live with the fact that you won‘t have that particular legendary.

That is by far the most unproductive and most invalid argument I have read on here. I can understand that some people, and that surely includes you, have hours and hours daily on hand to play 4 hours PvP, 6 hours of WvW and 2 hours of WvW, but most simply don‘t. They get online after work, play 2-3 hours PvE, PvE OR WvW and should be able to get something as unspectacular as stat customization considering the hours they have put into a specific game mode. I have over 30K hours on my account since release, but I invested them in PvP which won‘t get people really far reaching mostly Plat, sometimes Legendary rank, so implying laziness is mad. „If you like it - grind it“ also won‘t happen since you can‘t simply pull up and start winning Raids out of the go. Good luck trying to find a group, because what you describe as „grind it“ is people selling raids for gold just so that people can get some stat customizable trinkets. I rather „grind it“ the few hours that I got after work with my team in the HoM doing what I like most rather than spending hours fighting NPC‘s and am simply proposing letting those players pay with another currency, while offering them the possibility to stay in their game mode. People could even not pay at all, grind several 100‘s of hours, collect several 1000‘s of gold and exchange them for gems while doing what they like most (for example PvP).All players who jump on the wagon saying „I would love to see good content too“, but then go into a blind rage once ArenaNet capitalizes on something (as it was with mounts) and use PW2 in the same derogatory way you do, are exactly the reason why we have lost Esports and had to wait 2 expansions for a complete set of 2nd gen legendary weapons, because it is exactly these P2W people who keep this games servers running.Also your definition of what is „legendary“ is quite different from what ArenaNet describes them as - as great visual updates that don‘t offer competetive advantages. People can keep their fancy globs swirling around them, who in the world cares about them, but being against other people having access to stat customizable equipment ONLY in form of trinkets sends a strong smell of elitist behavior and fear to get destroyed by others once it becomes a thing. Alone for the reason, that I want to see a wider range of people play something other than full Berserker gear and because I want some cash in ArenaNets pockets to bring at least 2 more expansions, I won‘t stop asking for them

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

It only takes a few days to farm a full set of stat-selectable Ascended trinkets from Living World maps. Some of them can even be reset to change their stats, either infinitely or through Attuning and Infusing from Fractal merchants.

You can also get permanent, resettable, stat-selectable Ascended trinkets from Fractals and WvW.

[Cuks.8241]

So you are another one of those I am casual and have a real-life but have invested 30k hours in-game (lol casual) and am entitled to everything.Play the game as it was supposed to and don't ask developers to tailor it to your needs. What do you need legendary anyway if you mostly play pvp.

[GuriGashi.5617]

@Hannelore.8153 said:It only takes a few days to farm a full set of stat-selectable Ascended trinkets from Living World maps. Some of them can even be reset to change their stats, either infinitely or through Attuning and Infusing from Fractal merchants.

You can also get permanent, resettable, stat-selectable Ascended trinkets from Fractals and WvW.

Yes, but exactly that is the point. How is it healthy to play a few days, farm ascended armor, then finally test it and realize „Settler‘s“ stats are bad for a build? 4 days of work just to test if something works is exactly why we have ended up in a game where everyone runs Berserker gear. And I don’t care so much about ascended weapons and armor, since you can change their stats at the MF, but with trinkets it is another thing. Enabling those for a wider range of people would open alot of doors not only for the people playing, but also for ArenaNet in form of profits

[Dawdler.8521]

So what, you want to buy legendaries for gems when you can, you know, practically buy legendaries for gems today since gold is by far the biggest resource used?

I dont get it.

[Valandur.4162]

@snoow.1694 said:

@Valandur.4162 said:Seriously, just stop asking the devs to make this game become P2W already. I am all for supporting the game through the gem store and with cosmetics, but legendaries are that: Legendary. Plopping it into the gem store won‘t make it “legendary“ anymore.

If you want it, grind it - even if it‘s not in a game mode you like to play. The main thing behind this is to get ppl to play another game mode that they otherwise might not have touched. If you don‘t want to go into that game mode, then tough luck and leave it be and live with the fact that you won‘t have that particular legendary.

That is by far the most unproductive and most invalid argument I have read on here. I can understand that some people, and that surely includes you, have hours and hours daily on hand to play 4 hours PvP, 6 hours of WvW and 2 hours of WvW, but most simply don‘t. They get online after work, play 2-3 hours PvE, PvE OR WvW and should be able to get something as unspectacular as stat customization considering the hours they have put into a specific game mode. I have over 30K hours on my account since release, but I invested them in PvP which won‘t get people really far reaching mostly Plat, sometimes Legendary rank, so implying laziness is mad. „If you like it - grind it“ also won‘t happen since you can‘t simply pull up and start winning Raids out of the go. Good luck trying to find a group, because what you describe as „grind it“ is people selling raids for gold just so that people can get some stat customizable trinkets. I rather „grind it“ the few hours that I got after work with my team in the HoM doing what I like most rather than spending hours fighting NPC‘s and am simply proposing letting those players pay with another currency, while offering them the possibility to stay in their game mode. People could even not pay at all, grind several 100‘s of hours, collect several 1000‘s of gold and exchange them for gems while doing what they like most (for example PvP).

Just so you know, I have only Auroa and Vision as legendary trinkets. I would love to have Conflux and Transcendence, but I hate the toxicity of PvP and couldn't be bother doing WvW. So I make do with just ascended trinkets. shrugs The only time I venture in to WvW now is when I need Gift of Battle, otherwise I leave it. As for raids: I started working on my legendary armours and went looking for raid groups that I would go with weekly. I didn't just wake up one day and joined LFG raids and was able to farm enough to get legendary armours.

All players who jump on the wagon saying „I would love to see good content too“, but then go into a blind rage once ArenaNet capitalizes on something (as it was with mounts) and use PW2 in the same derogatory way you do, are exactly the reason why we have lost Esports and had to wait 2 expansions for a complete set of 2nd gen legendary weapons, because it is exactly these P2W people who keep this games servers running.

Believe me, I put in enough real money in cosmetic stuff to help GW2 out.

Also your definition of what is „legendary“ is quite different from what ArenaNet describes them as - as great visual updates that don‘t offer competetive advantages. People can keep their fancy globs swirling around them, who in the world cares about them, but being against other people having access to stat customizable equipment ONLY in form of trinkets sends a strong smell of elitist behavior and fear to get destroyed by others once it becomes a thing. Alone for the reason, that I want to see a wider range of people play something other than full Berserker gear and because I want some cash in ArenaNets pockets to bring at least 2 more expansions, I won‘t stop asking for them

Like I said, I don't have conflux or transcendence. Neither do I go play PvP (I am still rank 8 in PvP to this date) or venture in WvW much. So that invalidates that particular point for me.

[GuriGashi.5617]

@Dawdler.8521 said:So what, you want to buy legendaries for gems when you can, you know, practically buy legendaries for gems today since gold is by far the biggest resource used?

I dont get it.

If gold was the issue, alot of people would run around in a complete set of legendaries, since especially people who play since release had enough time to accumulate several thousands of gold through playing and Gem Exchange. The problem aren‘t some of the other currencies either meaning T6 mats or Mystic Clovers, the problem is that some of the required materials like Legendary Divination for Coalesence which you get through playing raids or the Emblem Of Victory for Transcendence which you get for winning 120 ranked PvP matches in a season are highly game mode specific. While I for example have easy access to the latter, getting access to 125 Legendary Divination isn‘t just something I could or even would want to invest time in, for some it is maybe the other way around. I have also seen several people complain in the forum about issues with Conflux resulting from the heavy lag they experience while playing the mode. This is why I am simply asking for an Gem Store option with less „legendary“ visual effects, so that people can farm gold while playing their favorite mode and exchange them for gems or straight up invest via Credit Card

[Juan.6124]

If you want a legendary character you should play all game modes.

[GuriGashi.5617]

@DirtyDan.4759 said:If you want a legendary character you should play all game modes.

Then why could people get Legendary Weapons (through gold), Legendary Armor and a Legendary Backpack while playing their favorite mode before trinkets were released?

[Hoon.1524]

Remember how you felt the first time you equipped you uber fashion wars look and went stomping around the map? Remember the shiny and sparkles glowing on your screen?Remember how your character looked while drawing and stowing it here and there, just reassure yourself that it's the look you paid so much to achieve.If you've never done it, try to imagine the feeling. There's nothing quite like it; a little voice in the back of your head goes, "I'm dangerous now. I matter."It was the sort of day you look back on later and see as a pivotal point in your life. All of the sudden you feel, I don't know, like a force to be reckoned with. Does that make sense?

[Sigmoid.7082]

You're going to get similar answers to your other thread on pretty much the exact same topic.

[GuriGashi.5617]

@"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:If, as stated, "stat customization is a big competitive advantage", how can selling said advantage not be Pay to Win?

Since you could easily farm the necessary amount of gold for the Gem Exhange while staying in your favorite game mode. That is the whole point

[GuriGashi.5617]

@"Sigmoid.7082" said:You're going to get similar answers to your other thread on pretty much the exact same topic.

Well the first idea was to make them not „account bound“ permanently and was addressed to all legendary equipment, which, I realized then, would have a few negative side effects on the economy. This thread is talking simply about adding trinkets only (5 slots) as Anniversary Surprise Event to the gem store for a fixed price and a short time

[Sigmoid.7082]

@snoow.1694 said:

@"Sigmoid.7082" said:You're going to get similar answers to

your other thread on pretty much the exact same topic

.

Well the first idea was to make them not „account bound“ permanently and was addressed to all legendary equipment, which, I realized then, would have a few negative side effects on the economy. This thread is talking simply about adding trinkets only (5 slots) as Anniversary Surprise Event to the gem store for a fixed price and a short time

The one of the underlying premises is being able to buy legionaries directly with gems.Its even in the title of the topic Please make Legendary Equipment not „Account Bound“/ add them to the Gem Store in that regard they are similar and you're going to get the same answers.

[yoni.7015]

Legendary trinkets should never (!) be available in the gem store! If you want them play the game.

I don’t play much and I got three legendary trinkets. It’s not really hard or difficult to get them.

[saerni.2584]

The gemstore is used for skins only for a reason. Adding in actual items is contrary to the idea that you should have to play the game to earn the gear used in PvE and WvW.

You may discount this line of reasoning but it is a core, fundamental, game design decision by Anet. The idea is to make gear, including a legendary (with the benefits of unique skin, auras, stat swapping at will) a representation of playing through the content modes (at least beyond Gen 1 where you can’t simply buy them for pure gold). You want that PvP skin you need to play some PvP. You want that unique PvE skin you need to do a collection. You want unrestricted stat swapping, you need to earn a legendary.

You basically want a “legendary upgrade” item that lets you make any item legendary when you use it on the item. The reason I don’t think this will happen is that legendary items are prestige items and turning anything into a legendary is an insult to those who farmed currencies in PvE, PvP or WvW to upgrade their ascended armor pieces to legendary quality.

Skins can be bought. Gear is earned.

[Sigerk.2897]

You can get trinkets from the first ls3 map, Bloodstone Fen, and for 100 volatile magic get a stat reset item for them. If you take the time to farm enough currency to get all those trinkets, you have yourself a set of ascended trinkets which can be reset for very little effort.

[Juan.6124]

@snoow.1694 said:

@DirtyDan.4759 said:If you want a legendary character you should play all game modes.

Then why could people get Legendary Weapons (through gold), Legendary Armor and a Legendary Backpack while playing their favorite mode before trinkets were released?

A fractal player doesn't get armor, gen 2 weapons, runes, sigils and 5 trinkets from fractals. What if the fractal player doesn't like raids?

I'm a raider with 3 raid armors and 6 trinkets. I don't like fractals, pvp, wvw or grinding horrible story achievements.

[Omega.6801]

@"snoow.1694" said:I wish you all a great day fellas and already can see the „PW2“ insults being flung at me lol

Same to you.

Your idea has been discussed many times now and the resounding "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" the suggestion always get stems from: you don't need legendary trinkets, ascended trinkets are very obtainable through many different means, putting stuff like legendaries on the gemshop invalidates many hours of play that many players have sunk into GW2, legendaries are designed to be long term goals so why do some people think they should be obtained within two hours of play, just because something is on the gemstore it doesn't immediately generate revenue, when something is very upsetting people won't buy it, if people get upset enough, they will leave the game and will not generate further income, just because you can't be bothered to do the thing to get the thing doesn't mean that it's impossible/unfair/grindy and needs to be solved via the gemshop...

You see, there are many sound arguments against your suggestion. Putting them off as insults from the start is a great way to shield yourself from the discussion and critizism,hindering the growth of a suggestion. It's a very common state of mind these days, who doesn't agree is insulting me, who isn't for me must be against me, all that jazz.

[Calisanna.8732]

You Can also change the stats of WvW trinkets with the mist capacitor (I think) that you buy from vendor. To change stats on all at same time, have in your inventory and use either the pvp currency or WvW memories of battle. I suggest using pvp currency as it’s much cheaper.Tbh it sounds like nothing is going to please you Snoow.You’ve got two areas ascended stat changeable Items and all im reading is “qq but I don’t wanna play the game”I’m full legendary except for the pvp amulet. I really really want the amulet and back from there but I refuse to enter pvp due to toxicity. Therefore I accept that I will never have these items. It’s The choice I made.Also... hi @Valandur.4162 o/ fancy meeting you here ?