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Cedric Ambidexter.9174Cedric Ambidexter.9174 Member ✭✭
edited December 6, 2018 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

MODERATOR EDIT: The OP did not include content in their initial post. The thread is about their dissatisfaction with paying 500 gems to transfer servers.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    With the WvW alliance system you can "transfer" for free, albeit with a delay (1-7 weeks). Theres no need for them to change instant transfer fees, it can remain as is. Impatient people that want to bandwagen for the zergloot pay for the rest of us.

  • LaGranse.8652LaGranse.8652 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    With the WvW alliance system you can "transfer" for free, albeit with a delay (1-7 weeks). Theres no need for them to change instant transfer fees, it can remain as is. Impatient people that want to bandwagen for the zergloot pay for the rest of us.

    Worth noting that this WvW alliance system does not exist yet and has no known release date. The only way to change servers as of this post is paying the transfer fee using gems.

  • @Hevoskuuri.3891 said:
    The gem paywall is in place to prevent what we call bandwagoning, or hopping servers often enough to cause population balance issues in WvW.

    You can change servers for free if you delete all of your characters, and I believe buying an expansion grants you a free server swap. I might be wrong though.

    Also just in case you didn't know, servers only matter for the WvW gamemode. In PvE, all of the region's (EU/NA) servers are mashed together into a megaserver, so you don't need to worry about not being able to play with friends.

    Hi,

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

  • There are only two Regions: EU and everywhere else (NA). Players usually choose the data center closest to them, but not always.
    One can always create another (Play4Free) account, at no charge, in the other Region.
    (Just an FYI: If two players on the same continent choose different Regions, they still won't be able to play together. Conversely, two players on different continents, should they choose the same Region, will be able to play together. It's all about choice.)

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Hevoskuuri.3891 said:
    The gem paywall is in place to prevent what we call bandwagoning, or hopping servers often enough to cause population balance issues in WvW.

    You can change servers for free if you delete all of your characters, and I believe buying an expansion grants you a free server swap. I might be wrong though.

    Also just in case you didn't know, servers only matter for the WvW gamemode. In PvE, all of the region's (EU/NA) servers are mashed together into a megaserver, so you don't need to worry about not being able to play with friends.

    Hi,

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

    Yes. Unfortunately cross-datacenter play is not possible due to how the account data is stored.

  • Rhiannon.1726Rhiannon.1726 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

  • @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

  • I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

  • @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

  • RoseofGilead.8907RoseofGilead.8907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    It definitely takes less than a year to get 100 gold. You'd get far more than that by only doing your three daily achievements every day for a year; actual grinding for gold would get you said gold much more quickly.

    Oh look. I have a signature now.

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    Paladawan gets me about 7-10G per event and takes about 20 mins if i decide to sell the Unided grear, even a pretty casual player shouldn't take more than a week to get 100g.

    And i'd agree that 500 gems isn't that much and no deterrent to bandwagoners

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    Just the mystic coins from logging in for 5 months would have that 100g covered. That is about as bare a minimum as you can get to count as "playing" .

  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    I can easily grind 100 Gold per DAY in Istan with minimum effort. In fact, ANYONE can do it, because we don't even need raid/meta gear for it. Even if your play time is limited, you can easily get 20-25 Gold in only 1 hour just by following a Commander in Istan and spamming auto attack.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mea.5491 said:
    spamming auto attack.

    or a paper weight on your 1 key :p

  • Algreg.3629Algreg.3629 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    or about 15 minutes of real life work...

  • If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

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  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    While this is true, i think its funny everyone focused in on the 100g comment instead of trying to correct him on being able to interact with somebody on the NA server with a EU server account.

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  • Algreg.3629Algreg.3629 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    While this is true, i think its funny everyone focused in on the 100g comment instead of trying to correct him on being able to interact with somebody on the NA server with a EU server account.

    I think - taking posting history into account - most people gave up on that.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It depends on what server you are and where you want to transfer. When I went to NA for a bit it was free because I had bought an expansion before. When I went back I had to pay 1600 to go back to my high population server, so I went with a low population one instead, which was only 400 gems.

    Logging out forever.

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2018

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    While this is true, i think its funny everyone focused in on the 100g comment instead of trying to correct him on being able to interact with somebody on the NA server with a EU server account.

    I saw 3 posts discussing the point on being on either an NA or EU server so I figured it was covered. The cost, $6.25, was not so I posted on that.

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  • 500 diamonds Needed to Change Server...

    Yes, that's the minimum cost. Is there some reason why the OP started a thread without actually offering a suggestion or an argument as to why ANet made a mistake to charge gems for transfers? As ANet has explained (since before the game launched and after): the charge partially defrays the cost of enabling the capability to make it easy to transfer, it discourages people from moving often, it helps keep demand for gems high, and it's within line of what it costs in other games.

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    I believe there are several music guilds in NA.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    Why is it ludicrous? There are lots of reasons why it was possible in GW1 and why it's unrealistic in GW2. (In particular, it would add ping to everyone in EU permanently.)

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    Sure, it would be nice. It would also be nice if ANet gave away the game for free.

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

    It does. ANet doesn't like the situation any more than you do, they just haven't figured out a good way to make it possible without people in EU suffering a huge performance hit. They realized the situation was unfair in GW1, but it didn't matter as much because there wasn't WvW and there were no open world instances with 80-150 people plus foes.

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • @Khisanth.2948 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    Just the mystic coins from logging in for 5 months would have that 100g covered. That is about as bare a minimum as you can get to count as "playing" .

    lol

  • @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    I believe there are several music guilds in NA.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    Why is it ludicrous? There are lots of reasons why it was possible in GW1 and why it's unrealistic in GW2. (In particular, it would add ping to everyone in EU permanently.)

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    Sure, it would be nice. It would also be nice if ANet gave away the game for free.

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

    It does. ANet doesn't like the situation any more than you do, they just haven't figured out a good way to make it possible without people in EU suffering a huge performance hit. They realized the situation was unfair in GW1, but it didn't matter as much because there wasn't WvW and there were no open world instances with 80-150 people plus foes.

    who cares about WvW anyway?

    That section of GW2 is irrelevant imo.

    Shoulda been scrapped a week after the game started.

    I've never experienced so much repetitive boredom from running around in circles ever.

  • Biff.5312Biff.5312 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's a few bucks. For something you're likely to only do once, I don't find the cost inordinate. I paid 400 gems to transfer to the server most of my guild mates are on. That's like $5. Worth it.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hmmm post vanished but no warning was sent? Is this a different thread?

    anyways

    Be glad it only costs you 500 Gems mine from FC to TC cost me i think in the range of 1.2k to 2k i forget the exact amount but it was quite a bit, thankfully its already been worth it cause of WvW.

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  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    I believe there are several music guilds in NA.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    Why is it ludicrous? There are lots of reasons why it was possible in GW1 and why it's unrealistic in GW2. (In particular, it would add ping to everyone in EU permanently.)

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    Sure, it would be nice. It would also be nice if ANet gave away the game for free.

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

    It does. ANet doesn't like the situation any more than you do, they just haven't figured out a good way to make it possible without people in EU suffering a huge performance hit. They realized the situation was unfair in GW1, but it didn't matter as much because there wasn't WvW and there were no open world instances with 80-150 people plus foes.

    who cares about WvW anyway?

    That section of GW2 is irrelevant imo.

    Shoulda been scrapped a week after the game started.

    I've never experienced so much repetitive boredom from running around in circles ever.

    So don't WvW. The point is that GW1 had a single data center and that was problematic for that game, which had lower data transfer requirements. It hurt EU players. ANet made a design decision to make things better for at least that part of the community by opening up a second data center. Due to real world limitations (e.g. the speed of electrons flowing through underwater cable), it's not physical possible for EU and NA players to team up.

    It's not some arbitrary decision to thwart your ability to play music with a particular guild; it's a series of complex calculations about what is best for the entire community and the game's future. It just happens that a side effect is something that all of us — including ANet — don't like: EU & NA can't mix.

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    Giving up coffee is pure madness I work 3 am shifts I buy at least 2 of them a day haha

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  • @Mathias.9657 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    Giving up coffee is pure madness I work 3 am shifts I buy at least 2 of them a day haha

    Make your own coffee at home and use a thermos to carry it to work. Your pocketbook will love you.

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  • @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Mathias.9657 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    Giving up coffee is pure madness I work 3 am shifts I buy at least 2 of them a day haha

    Make your own coffee at home and use a thermos to carry it to work. Your pocketbook will love you.

    The environment, too.

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

    Did you right click his name in group and join his instance?

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Anirri.4156 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

    Did you right click his name in group and join his instance?

    A guild hall never have more then 1 instance per server cluster eu/na

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Anirri.4156 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

    Did you right click his name in group and join his instance?

    A guild hall never have more then 1 instance per server cluster eu/na

    I’ve seen a guild hall have more than one instance, but it requires enough people to hit the guild map capacity (which is lower than a PvE map) and this causes a new instance to spawn. When that happens players can be on either instance.

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  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Several questions and notations:

    • I could afford a server transfer of 500 gems in about 6 mins of work
    • I get free coffee and soda etc. as much as I want
    • And then earning this even in game is ridiculously easy. You can do that within a couple of days
    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?
  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?

    Apparently, it is a group of people who don't know how to earn Gold, lol.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mea.5491 said:

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?

    Apparently, it is a group of people who don't know how to earn Gold, lol.

    well that does fit the stereotype ...

  • Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?

    People who use the instrument novelty items skillfully and creatively have gathered together in various guilds. They play music for whoever wants to gather, teach each other interesting tricks, and, well, like any guild, join together in common short-term cause and end up hanging out together.

    Arguably the best known is Minstrel's Waypoint [Cmaj] (the tag is a musician's in-joke), due to their infamous video
    A Music Guild Tries to Raid
    (and its various sequels)

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

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