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500 diamonds Needed to Change Server...

Cedric Ambidexter.9174Cedric Ambidexter.9174 Member ✭✭
edited December 6, 2018 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

MODERATOR EDIT: The OP did not include content in their initial post. The thread is about their dissatisfaction with paying 500 gems to transfer servers.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    With the WvW alliance system you can "transfer" for free, albeit with a delay (1-7 weeks). Theres no need for them to change instant transfer fees, it can remain as is. Impatient people that want to bandwagen for the zergloot pay for the rest of us.

  • LaGranse.8652LaGranse.8652 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    With the WvW alliance system you can "transfer" for free, albeit with a delay (1-7 weeks). Theres no need for them to change instant transfer fees, it can remain as is. Impatient people that want to bandwagen for the zergloot pay for the rest of us.

    Worth noting that this WvW alliance system does not exist yet and has no known release date. The only way to change servers as of this post is paying the transfer fee using gems.

  • @Hevoskuuri.3891 said:
    The gem paywall is in place to prevent what we call bandwagoning, or hopping servers often enough to cause population balance issues in WvW.

    You can change servers for free if you delete all of your characters, and I believe buying an expansion grants you a free server swap. I might be wrong though.

    Also just in case you didn't know, servers only matter for the WvW gamemode. In PvE, all of the region's (EU/NA) servers are mashed together into a megaserver, so you don't need to worry about not being able to play with friends.

    Hi,

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

  • There are only two Regions: EU and everywhere else (NA). Players usually choose the data center closest to them, but not always.
    One can always create another (Play4Free) account, at no charge, in the other Region.
    (Just an FYI: If two players on the same continent choose different Regions, they still won't be able to play together. Conversely, two players on different continents, should they choose the same Region, will be able to play together. It's all about choice.)

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Hevoskuuri.3891 said:
    The gem paywall is in place to prevent what we call bandwagoning, or hopping servers often enough to cause population balance issues in WvW.

    You can change servers for free if you delete all of your characters, and I believe buying an expansion grants you a free server swap. I might be wrong though.

    Also just in case you didn't know, servers only matter for the WvW gamemode. In PvE, all of the region's (EU/NA) servers are mashed together into a megaserver, so you don't need to worry about not being able to play with friends.

    Hi,

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

    Yes. Unfortunately cross-datacenter play is not possible due to how the account data is stored.

  • Rhiannon.1726Rhiannon.1726 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

  • @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

  • I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

  • @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

  • RoseofGilead.8907RoseofGilead.8907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    It definitely takes less than a year to get 100 gold. You'd get far more than that by only doing your three daily achievements every day for a year; actual grinding for gold would get you said gold much more quickly.

    Oh look. I have a signature now.

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    Paladawan gets me about 7-10G per event and takes about 20 mins if i decide to sell the Unided grear, even a pretty casual player shouldn't take more than a week to get 100g.

    And i'd agree that 500 gems isn't that much and no deterrent to bandwagoners

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    Just the mystic coins from logging in for 5 months would have that 100g covered. That is about as bare a minimum as you can get to count as "playing" .

  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    I can easily grind 100 Gold per DAY in Istan with minimum effort. In fact, ANYONE can do it, because we don't even need raid/meta gear for it. Even if your play time is limited, you can easily get 20-25 Gold in only 1 hour just by following a Commander in Istan and spamming auto attack.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mea.5491 said:
    spamming auto attack.

    or a paper weight on your 1 key :p

  • Algreg.3629Algreg.3629 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    or about 15 minutes of real life work...

  • If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

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  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    While this is true, i think its funny everyone focused in on the 100g comment instead of trying to correct him on being able to interact with somebody on the NA server with a EU server account.

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  • Algreg.3629Algreg.3629 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    While this is true, i think its funny everyone focused in on the 100g comment instead of trying to correct him on being able to interact with somebody on the NA server with a EU server account.

    I think - taking posting history into account - most people gave up on that.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It depends on what server you are and where you want to transfer. When I went to NA for a bit it was free because I had bought an expansion before. When I went back I had to pay 1600 to go back to my high population server, so I went with a low population one instead, which was only 400 gems.

    Logging out forever.

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2018

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    While this is true, i think its funny everyone focused in on the 100g comment instead of trying to correct him on being able to interact with somebody on the NA server with a EU server account.

    I saw 3 posts discussing the point on being on either an NA or EU server so I figured it was covered. The cost, $6.25, was not so I posted on that.

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  • 500 diamonds Needed to Change Server...

    Yes, that's the minimum cost. Is there some reason why the OP started a thread without actually offering a suggestion or an argument as to why ANet made a mistake to charge gems for transfers? As ANet has explained (since before the game launched and after): the charge partially defrays the cost of enabling the capability to make it easy to transfer, it discourages people from moving often, it helps keep demand for gems high, and it's within line of what it costs in other games.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    I believe there are several music guilds in NA.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    Why is it ludicrous? There are lots of reasons why it was possible in GW1 and why it's unrealistic in GW2. (In particular, it would add ping to everyone in EU permanently.)

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    Sure, it would be nice. It would also be nice if ANet gave away the game for free.

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

    It does. ANet doesn't like the situation any more than you do, they just haven't figured out a good way to make it possible without people in EU suffering a huge performance hit. They realized the situation was unfair in GW1, but it didn't matter as much because there wasn't WvW and there were no open world instances with 80-150 people plus foes.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • @Khisanth.2948 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    I saw 500 and thought it wasn't much. I went on my character just to see and a transfer says 1800 so idk where the 500 comes from. I transferred back in the day when it was free like when game first came out. 500 is nothing honestly to stop band wagoners.

    Are you sure about that?

    It takes you 1 year to grind 100 gold.

    Just the mystic coins from logging in for 5 months would have that 100g covered. That is about as bare a minimum as you can get to count as "playing" .

    lol

  • @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    I believe there are several music guilds in NA.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    Why is it ludicrous? There are lots of reasons why it was possible in GW1 and why it's unrealistic in GW2. (In particular, it would add ping to everyone in EU permanently.)

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    Sure, it would be nice. It would also be nice if ANet gave away the game for free.

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

    It does. ANet doesn't like the situation any more than you do, they just haven't figured out a good way to make it possible without people in EU suffering a huge performance hit. They realized the situation was unfair in GW1, but it didn't matter as much because there wasn't WvW and there were no open world instances with 80-150 people plus foes.

    who cares about WvW anyway?

    That section of GW2 is irrelevant imo.

    Shoulda been scrapped a week after the game started.

    I've never experienced so much repetitive boredom from running around in circles ever.

  • Biff.5312Biff.5312 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's a few bucks. For something you're likely to only do once, I don't find the cost inordinate. I paid 400 gems to transfer to the server most of my guild mates are on. That's like $5. Worth it.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hmmm post vanished but no warning was sent? Is this a different thread?

    anyways

    Be glad it only costs you 500 Gems mine from FC to TC cost me i think in the range of 1.2k to 2k i forget the exact amount but it was quite a bit, thankfully its already been worth it cause of WvW.

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  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:
    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    I believe there are several music guilds in NA.

    It was a bummer because I tried to switch server (it was a simple thing in GW1), but got a message asking me for 500 diamonds which I found quite ludicrous.

    Why is it ludicrous? There are lots of reasons why it was possible in GW1 and why it's unrealistic in GW2. (In particular, it would add ping to everyone in EU permanently.)

    It would be nice if players were limited to a handful of server changes per year before a charge is incurred (if there really is an easy with population balancing).

    Sure, it would be nice. It would also be nice if ANet gave away the game for free.

    This stops us from playing with friends on different continents.

    It does. ANet doesn't like the situation any more than you do, they just haven't figured out a good way to make it possible without people in EU suffering a huge performance hit. They realized the situation was unfair in GW1, but it didn't matter as much because there wasn't WvW and there were no open world instances with 80-150 people plus foes.

    who cares about WvW anyway?

    That section of GW2 is irrelevant imo.

    Shoulda been scrapped a week after the game started.

    I've never experienced so much repetitive boredom from running around in circles ever.

    So don't WvW. The point is that GW1 had a single data center and that was problematic for that game, which had lower data transfer requirements. It hurt EU players. ANet made a design decision to make things better for at least that part of the community by opening up a second data center. Due to real world limitations (e.g. the speed of electrons flowing through underwater cable), it's not physical possible for EU and NA players to team up.

    It's not some arbitrary decision to thwart your ability to play music with a particular guild; it's a series of complex calculations about what is best for the entire community and the game's future. It just happens that a side effect is something that all of us — including ANet — don't like: EU & NA can't mix.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    Giving up coffee is pure madness I work 3 am shifts I buy at least 2 of them a day haha

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  • @Mathias.9657 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    Giving up coffee is pure madness I work 3 am shifts I buy at least 2 of them a day haha

    Make your own coffee at home and use a thermos to carry it to work. Your pocketbook will love you.

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  • @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Mathias.9657 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    If it takes you a year to grind 100 gold then I suggest you buy the gems with real money. 500 gems is $6.25. Most people can afford that, especially if they give up soda or coffee for a day or two.

    Giving up coffee is pure madness I work 3 am shifts I buy at least 2 of them a day haha

    Make your own coffee at home and use a thermos to carry it to work. Your pocketbook will love you.

    The environment, too.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

    Did you right click his name in group and join his instance?

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Anirri.4156 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

    Did you right click his name in group and join his instance?

    A guild hall never have more then 1 instance per server cluster eu/na

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Anirri.4156 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

    Did you right click his name in group and join his instance?

    A guild hall never have more then 1 instance per server cluster eu/na

    I’ve seen a guild hall have more than one instance, but it requires enough people to hit the guild map capacity (which is lower than a PvE map) and this causes a new instance to spawn. When that happens players can be on either instance.

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  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Several questions and notations:

    • I could afford a server transfer of 500 gems in about 6 mins of work
    • I get free coffee and soda etc. as much as I want
    • And then earning this even in game is ridiculously easy. You can do that within a couple of days
    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?
  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?

    Apparently, it is a group of people who don't know how to earn Gold, lol.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mea.5491 said:

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?

    Apparently, it is a group of people who don't know how to earn Gold, lol.

    well that does fit the stereotype ...

  • Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?

    People who use the instrument novelty items skillfully and creatively have gathered together in various guilds. They play music for whoever wants to gather, teach each other interesting tricks, and, well, like any guild, join together in common short-term cause and end up hanging out together.

    Arguably the best known is Minstrel's Waypoint [Cmaj] (the tag is a musician's in-joke), due to their infamous video
    A Music Guild Tries to Raid
    (and its various sequels)

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    • What the hell is a 'Music Guild'!?!?!?

    People who use the instrument novelty items skillfully and creatively have gathered together in various guilds. They play music for whoever wants to gather, teach each other interesting tricks, and, well, like any guild, join together in common short-term cause and end up hanging out together.

    Arguably the best known is Minstrel's Waypoint [Cmaj] (the tag is a musician's in-joke), due to their infamous video
    A Music Guild Tries to Raid
    (and its various sequels)

    Ah thanks for the info. Didn't know this existed.

  • Kas.3509Kas.3509 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Anirri.4156 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Rhiannon.1726 said:

    Unfortunately, I tried to join a Musician's Guild on Saturday but was unable to because the player I was speaking to (who had invited me to join the guild) was standing right next to me in Divinity's Reach, but unfortunately we couldn't actually 'meet' and interact because I figured out that he was on a different server than I.

    It turns out he's on the USA Server, and I'm on the EU one.

    If the other player was standing right next to you (and you saw him/her standing there) you can't be on different regions (EU or NA), as they don't share map instances.

    I saw his white symbol on the map, but we couldn't find eachother, and we also tried to meet inside the guild hall but that failed.

    It's ok we confirmed that we were on separate continents/servers.

    I SO wanted to be in that Musicians Guild lol.

    Did you right click his name in group and join his instance?

    Thats what you should do. I doubt youre on different server (you EU he NA) if you saw his dot on map?. You just have to join party with him and right click on him and select "Join instance" or sth like that to see him.
    Maybe Im wrong and youre really on different servers though, but I ddidnt think its possible to see their dot on map :open_mouth: But that's really stupid. Why allow to see their dot if you cant join them anyway.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There isn't much you can do other than pay if you truely found yourselves on different versions of the game. NA and EU being connected on serveral levels and actually allowing us to swap versions for such a tiny fee is already more community friendly than anything I have ever seen in other games. Thus it is a little hard for me to take this complaint seriously.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • @Henry.5713 said:
    There isn't much you can do other than pay if you truely found yourselves on different versions of the game. NA and EU being connected on serveral levels and actually allowing us to swap versions for such a tiny fee is already more community friendly than anything I have ever seen in other games. Thus it is a little hard for me to take this complaint seriously.

    I actually disagree. I don't think it's fair to ask players to pay any sum to change server in order to play side by side with teammates in another region. This seems to me like a kind of basic requirement that should be available as an option in any MMO.

    GW1 Rulez: #getwithit LOL (please don't take me seriously, I kid :D )

    So yeh - not fair.

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    There isn't much you can do other than pay if you truely found yourselves on different versions of the game. NA and EU being connected on serveral levels and actually allowing us to swap versions for such a tiny fee is already more community friendly than anything I have ever seen in other games. Thus it is a little hard for me to take this complaint seriously.

    I actually disagree. I don't think it's fair to ask players to pay any sum to change server in order to play side by side with teammates in another region. This seems to me like a kind of basic requirement that should be available as an option in any MMO.

    GW1 Rulez: #getwithit LOL (please don't take me seriously, I kid :D )

    So yeh - not fair.

    Or there other/many MMOs that allow world/realm transfers for free? The price for WoW is $25 per character.. You're being asked to pay $6.25 for the account, and you can easily farm the gold for that.

    So, maybe not fair but not a high cost either.

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    ANet might give it to you.

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  • Cedric Ambidexter.9174Cedric Ambidexter.9174 Member ✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    There isn't much you can do other than pay if you truely found yourselves on different versions of the game. NA and EU being connected on serveral levels and actually allowing us to swap versions for such a tiny fee is already more community friendly than anything I have ever seen in other games. Thus it is a little hard for me to take this complaint seriously.

    I actually disagree. I don't think it's fair to ask players to pay any sum to change server in order to play side by side with teammates in another region. This seems to me like a kind of basic requirement that should be available as an option in any MMO.

    GW1 Rulez: #getwithit LOL (please don't take me seriously, I kid :D )

    So yeh - not fair.

    Or there other/many MMOs that allow world/realm transfers for free? The price for WoW is $25 per character.. You're being asked to pay $6.25 for the account, and you can easily farm the gold for that.

    So, maybe not fair but not a high cost either.

    Please tell me what bit of 500-2K gold is 'easy' to farm???

    Someone told me not to be any outfits on the store and that I should farm and that I can farm 100 gold in one month...so I went on that long mission:

    I gave up after 2 days when I realised I was making barely one gold per day.

    I just used my credit card instead lol.

    WOW should not be charging either.

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    There isn't much you can do other than pay if you truely found yourselves on different versions of the game. NA and EU being connected on serveral levels and actually allowing us to swap versions for such a tiny fee is already more community friendly than anything I have ever seen in other games. Thus it is a little hard for me to take this complaint seriously.

    I actually disagree. I don't think it's fair to ask players to pay any sum to change server in order to play side by side with teammates in another region. This seems to me like a kind of basic requirement that should be available as an option in any MMO.

    GW1 Rulez: #getwithit LOL (please don't take me seriously, I kid :D )

    So yeh - not fair.

    Or there other/many MMOs that allow world/realm transfers for free? The price for WoW is $25 per character.. You're being asked to pay $6.25 for the account, and you can easily farm the gold for that.

    So, maybe not fair but not a high cost either.

    Please tell me what bit of 500-2K gold is 'easy' to farm???

    Someone told me not to be any outfits on the store and that I should farm and that I can farm 100 gold in one month...so I went on that long mission:

    I gave up after 2 days when I realised I was making barely one gold per day.

    I just used my credit card instead lol.

    First off, it’s not 500 to 2000 gold. You need 500 gems. Gems currently are about 33 gold/100 gems so that means you need about 165 gold to buy 500 gems.

    As other people have told you, it’s not that much gold. If you’re making barely 1 gold a day then you’re not doing your daily to get 2 gold a day, plus gold from selling Mystic Coins you get from logging in, plus gold from converting laurels to gold. (How many mystic coins and laurels do you have in your inventory? Do you look at selling off excesss mats?

    After that, I’m assuming you’re one of those people who don’t want to do anything boring so node harvesting runs would be out. If you do farming runs you can make decent gold. I don’t do fractals myself but I hear they’re a good source of gold. The Domain of Istan is very profitable. Even dungeons is good gold if you do a set each day. The gold is easily obtained. If your’e not making gold then you’re not trying to make gold.

    Be careful what you ask for
    ANet might give it to you.

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  • Cedric Ambidexter.9174Cedric Ambidexter.9174 Member ✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    There isn't much you can do other than pay if you truely found yourselves on different versions of the game. NA and EU being connected on serveral levels and actually allowing us to swap versions for such a tiny fee is already more community friendly than anything I have ever seen in other games. Thus it is a little hard for me to take this complaint seriously.

    I actually disagree. I don't think it's fair to ask players to pay any sum to change server in order to play side by side with teammates in another region. This seems to me like a kind of basic requirement that should be available as an option in any MMO.

    GW1 Rulez: #getwithit LOL (please don't take me seriously, I kid :D )

    So yeh - not fair.

    Or there other/many MMOs that allow world/realm transfers for free? The price for WoW is $25 per character.. You're being asked to pay $6.25 for the account, and you can easily farm the gold for that.

    So, maybe not fair but not a high cost either.

    Please tell me what bit of 500-2K gold is 'easy' to farm???

    Someone told me not to be any outfits on the store and that I should farm and that I can farm 100 gold in one month...so I went on that long mission:

    I gave up after 2 days when I realised I was making barely one gold per day.

    I just used my credit card instead lol.

    As other people have told you, it’s not that much gold. If you’re making barely 1 gold a day then you’re not doing your daily to get 2 gold a day, plus gold from selling Mystic Coins you get from logging in, plus gold from converting laurels to gold. (How many mystic coins and laurels do you have in your inventory? Do you look at selling off excesss mats?

    After that, I’m assuming you’re one of those people who don’t want to do anything boring so node harvesting runs would be out. If you do farming runs you can make decent gold. I don’t do fractals myself but I hear they’re a good source of gold. The Domain of Istan is very profitable. Even dungeons is good gold if you do a set each day. The gold is easily obtained. If your’e not making gold then you’re not trying to make gold.

    OK,

    So everything you've just said is EXCELLENT (Thank You), and it feeds directly into my MAJOR (biggest) complaint about the game: that there is so much I still don't understand.

    I wish there was much more in-game tutorial available.

    Last night I took part a few meta events in the hot map, and was so confused about what to do (I just tried to follow the crowd and attack)....when I feel this could easily be helped by GW2 providing on screen player instructions for those of us who aren't so intuitive about the game mechanics or what's expected of us.

    The things you mentioned are all a part of that.

    daily - what even is that??
    mystic coins - i've heard of this and i've had a few in the past, but i usually try to sell all the junk in my inventory as quickly as possible cos there's so much of it and most of it has minute amounts of value.
    laurels - what is this?

    All the junk/spam/confusion in gw2 with so much content and item spamming in inventories does not help my player experience and together with the fact this game has no decent in-game tutorial mode for players - has been one of the reasons why I quit for a year.

    Maybe I wouldn't be bashing so much if I knew the game better.

    And please don't talk about forums/wikis - nobody should have to read those to play a game - and a 'game' is what it is. I don't have time or patience for that.

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2018

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    There isn't much you can do other than pay if you truely found yourselves on different versions of the game. NA and EU being connected on serveral levels and actually allowing us to swap versions for such a tiny fee is already more community friendly than anything I have ever seen in other games. Thus it is a little hard for me to take this complaint seriously.

    I actually disagree. I don't think it's fair to ask players to pay any sum to change server in order to play side by side with teammates in another region. This seems to me like a kind of basic requirement that should be available as an option in any MMO.

    GW1 Rulez: #getwithit LOL (please don't take me seriously, I kid :D )

    So yeh - not fair.

    Or there other/many MMOs that allow world/realm transfers for free? The price for WoW is $25 per character.. You're being asked to pay $6.25 for the account, and you can easily farm the gold for that.

    So, maybe not fair but not a high cost either.

    Please tell me what bit of 500-2K gold is 'easy' to farm???

    Someone told me not to be any outfits on the store and that I should farm and that I can farm 100 gold in one month...so I went on that long mission:

    I gave up after 2 days when I realised I was making barely one gold per day.

    I just used my credit card instead lol.

    As other people have told you, it’s not that much gold. If you’re making barely 1 gold a day then you’re not doing your daily to get 2 gold a day, plus gold from selling Mystic Coins you get from logging in, plus gold from converting laurels to gold. (How many mystic coins and laurels do you have in your inventory? Do you look at selling off excesss mats?

    After that, I’m assuming you’re one of those people who don’t want to do anything boring so node harvesting runs would be out. If you do farming runs you can make decent gold. I don’t do fractals myself but I hear they’re a good source of gold. The Domain of Istan is very profitable. Even dungeons is good gold if you do a set each day. The gold is easily obtained. If your’e not making gold then you’re not trying to make gold.

    OK,

    So everything you've just said is EXCELLENT (Thank You), and it feeds directly into my MAJOR (biggest) complaint about the game: that there is so much I still don't understand.

    I wish there was much more in-game tutorial available.

    Last night I took part a few meta events in the hot map, and was so confused about what to do (I just tried to follow the crowd and attack)....when I feel this could easily be helped by GW2 providing on screen player instructions for those of us who aren't so intuitive about the game mechanics or what's expected of us.

    The things you mentioned are all a part of that.

    daily - what even is that??
    mystic coins - i've heard of this and i've had a few in the past, but i usually try to sell all the junk in my inventory as quickly as possible cos there's so much of it and most of it has minute amounts of value.
    laurels - what is this?

    All the junk/spam/confusion in gw2 with so much content and item spamming in inventories does not help my player experience and together with the fact this game has no decent in-game tutorial mode for players - has been one of the reasons why I quit for a year.

    Maybe I wouldn't be bashing so much if I knew the game better.

    And please don't talk about forums/wikis - nobody should have to read those to play a game - and a 'game' is what it is. I don't have time or patience for that.

    Daily. It’s on your screen when you first log in each day after reset. You have to select some tasks and accept the daily login reward chest. Do 3 tasks and get 2 gold

    Daily. A typical daily that I did from today’s list (shown on link) was Daily Ascalon Lumberer,
    Brisban Wildlands Event Completer, Daily Desolation Bounty Hunter. There are other PvE dailies and there are PvP and WvW dailies, do any 3 from the list and get 2 gold.

    Mystic coins: you get 20 each 28 days plus there is the occasional mystic forge daily where you use the mystic forge and get a mystic coin. (I use 4 pebbles but any mystic forging will do). Mystic coins are worth over a gold each.

    Laurels: you get 55 laurels each 28 days you log in. They are in your Wallet. Go to a PvE laurel merchant and buy Medium or Heavy crafting bags, open them up, sell the contents on the trading post.

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    ANet might give it to you.

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  • Level a character from 1 to 80 naturally, and read all the tutorial tips at each level-up. There's your in-game tutorial.
    And/or..ask questions in-game.
    Check the Trading Post for the worth of items; if still unsure, ask in-game or use the Wiki from in-game.
    And/or...peruse the Online Manual. I mean, you aren't adverse to spending time on the forums, so a bit of research using the official sources doesn't seem out-of-hand.

    Good luck.

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