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Which Salvage Kit Should I Use? [Recommendations] [Now With Data]

Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited January 7, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Updated: this spreadsheet recommends specific kits for specific niches, using values using current market rates. The second tab shows the actual break down of values.

tl;dr

  • Rares that drops ectos (rare L68+): Mystic → Silver-Fed → Master (Runecrafter good, too)
  • Non-ecto rares (<L68) with an upgrade: Runecrafter (Mystic → Silver-Fed good, too)
  • Non-ecto-bearing gear without an upgrade: Base → Copper-Fed
  • Exotics: TP (use BL Kit if it has valued upgrades)

Purchase recommendations

  • If you own neither silver-fed nor runecrafter, buy the runecrafter. If you already own one, there's little need to buy the other.
  • The copper-fed is always a good choice.
  • None of these items are necessary and none will pay for themselves for 99% of the community. You have to buy hundreds of stacks of things to salvage to come close to reaching the numbers required to break even. They are convenience items.

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  • Emberstone.2904Emberstone.2904 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2019

    How screwed am I if I bought the Runecrafter's just because it was 600 gems rather than 800 (~200g vs. ~300g), and I just use it to salvage everything out of convenience? Am I taking much of a loss over time since I'm also using it to salvage whites and blues?

    Edit: I don't have a Copper-Fed.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Copper fed only costs 3c to use, vs 30c for Runecrafter, so it is a big loss over time.

  • @Emberstone.2904 said:
    How screwed am I if I bought the Runecrafter's just because it was 600 gems rather than 800 (~200g vs. ~300g), and I just use it to salvage everything out of convenience? Am I taking much of a loss over time since I'm also using it to salvage whites and blues?

    Edit: I don't have a Copper-Fed.

    You're spending an extra 27 copper per use on items that don't have any upgrades. That means on some items, you'll lose coin. On the other hand, even after salvaging 1000 items, you'll have spent under 3g extra.

    So instead of asking how screwed you are, ask yourself: are you willing to invest 3g every few days just to avoid having to worry about which kit to use?
    (My guess is no, since you were willing to spend 200 gold to avoid having to buy basic (or master's) kits.)

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  • Emberstone.2904Emberstone.2904 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2019

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Emberstone.2904 said:
    How screwed am I if I bought the Runecrafter's just because it was 600 gems rather than 800 (~200g vs. ~300g), and I just use it to salvage everything out of convenience? Am I taking much of a loss over time since I'm also using it to salvage whites and blues?

    Edit: I don't have a Copper-Fed.

    You're spending an extra 27 copper per use on items that don't have any upgrades. That means on some items, you'll lose coin. On the other hand, even after salvaging 1000 items, you'll have spent under 3g extra.

    So instead of asking how screwed you are, ask yourself: are you willing to invest 3g every few days just to avoid having to worry about which kit to use?
    (My guess is no, since you were willing to spend 200 gold to avoid having to buy basic (or master's) kits.)

    Yeah, 3g every few thousand blues/whites isn't a big deal. I don't think I go through that many in two or three weeks. If I bought a Copper-Fed in order to prevent that cost, then I'd still be at a loss in the end, having to salvage many thousands more to make up the difference.

    Since I'm now using a kit that gives me rune/sigil materials more often (I was lazy/cheap and only ever bought Basics before), I should end up with more Charms over time to make it up.

    TL;DR: You're right, that loss is meaningless. I'd rather spend the 3g every few thousand items than take up 8+ inventory slots on Salvage Kits and have to visit the merchant every so often, or literally every hour when doing Istan metas.

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  • Eekasqueak.7850Eekasqueak.7850 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Unless you have no forge stones and/or never work on getting achievement points, I'd say mystic kits are far more economical than the silver fed kit.

  • @Eekasqueak.7850 said:
    Unless you have no forge stones and/or never work on getting achievement points, I'd say mystic kits are far more economical than the silver fed kit.

    Or if you salvage a lot. Or if you're new and don't have that many to start with. There are a lot of reasons people lack them.


    That said, yes, @Eekasqueak.7850 is correct: mystic kits are by far more economical than Silver-Fed and competitive with Runecrafter's when that is the better choice. If you have plenty of stones, then you can use Mystic on any gear with an upgrade, any gear that drops ecto, ... and you could get away with using it for everything, with only a small loss in efficiency.

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I use a mystic kit for everything, unless I have a free black lion kit for exotics with upgrades. I keep saying I'll get a copper and silver fed when I run out of mystic forge stones but that's not likely to happen.

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  • Not sure how off-topic this is, but are there items that you should not salvage for profit reasons?

    How high does an item needs to be in the TP so that salvaging brings less?
    Are there exotics that are just too cheap to sell?
    Or should certain things go into the mystic forge?

    Since I often get an upgraded item from the forge that is more expensive than the four input items combined, I have the feeling that for some items on average this might be a good alternative to salvaging... only talking about dropped items, though...

  • Airdive.2613Airdive.2613 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You say there's no possible benefit for blue and green salvage kits, but what if someone decides to buy, if it's still possible, blue salvage kits for karma (meaning no coin cost)?

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    karma got a gold value aswell> @Airdive.2613 said:

    You say there's no possible benefit for blue and green salvage kits, but what if someone decides to buy, if it's still possible, blue salvage kits for karma (meaning no coin cost)?

    karma got a gold value aswell, just that alot of people dont want to go thought the hassle to convert it.

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Is there a recommendation on what salvage kit to use to salvage runes and sigils (stand-alone, not attached to gear)? I recently discovered a stack each of old minor wintersday runes and sigils on a storage character and was wondering if using mystic over copper-fed (I don't have the silver-fed and won't likely buy it as I still have two stacks of mystic forge stones) would see a higher number of charms and symbols.

  • Airdive.2613Airdive.2613 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:

    karma got a gold value aswell, just that alot of people dont want to go thought the hassle to convert it.

    Well, yes, though I think it depends on the current market prices; but 252 karma per 25 uses sounds like a small amount, can blue salvage kits turn out to be useful?

  • This has been great work done quickly by the community here & on reddit.
    I have a request by this same group.
    Could someone throw the Permanent Upgrade Extractor into the mix.
    Salvage with runemaster vs extract & sell vs extract & salvage with copper.
    I'm betting there will be a breakdown based on Charm/Symbol type.
    Brilliance & Control are high value, Potence & Enhancement mid, and Skill & Pain low(junk) if current trends hold.
    Sell the junk & salvage the high value unless its one of the high demand runes/sigils that is driving the market.

  • @Dediggefedde.4961 said:
    Not sure how off-topic this is, but are there items that you should not salvage for profit reasons?

    • Short story: yes.
    • Medium story: it varies considerably with the market and the source of the items. Three examples: there have been (recent) times when some blue or masterwork gear was more profitable to sell, most exotic gear is more valuable sold than salvaged, and any item labeled as a "salvage item" that has a "common" source is better sold (there's a small list that drops in fractals, for example)
    • Long story: gw2profits has the most extensive data with which to answer the question.

    That said, for the most part, most people are better off not worrying about it because it represents a small (and changing) fraction of their loot. That is, the extra coin earned might not exceed the cost of your time (and headache) spent figuring it out.

    How high does an item needs to be in the TP so that salvaging brings less?

    There's no good rule of thumb, because different types of items have different salvage tables, different rates and so on. You have to be very familiar with these to be able to assess the value.

    Are there exotics that are just too cheap to sell?

    If you always custom sell, no. If you often sell to the highest buy offer, then yes.

    Or should certain things go into the mystic forge?

    That is almost never a good deal for people who forge occasionally. But it is possible to make money forging. In fact, the largest source of precursors is not random drops from foes, but people who industrially produce precursors (1000s and 1000s of forges). They buy items cheap, forge them in bulk.

    Since I often get an upgraded item from the forge that is more expensive than the four input items combined, I have the feeling that for some items on average this might be a good alternative to salvaging... only talking about dropped items, though...

    On the whole, no.
    However, it can be a lot of fun and only you can take a guess at how valuable that fun might be for you. I have a friend who religiously forges all rare staffs they get, but nothing else & another who forges all exotics with buy offers below 40s. Neither of those systems is "efficient," but both players enjoy the occasional special item, so for them, it's a good deal.

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  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't usually sell mats, until they stack past 2K in my bank (and if I can refine them, eg mithril), then I wait until the refined version is hitting 2K. I might sell off some of ones I have a lot of if I have an immediate gold need but otherwise I hoard. I do want to build up a stash of symbols and charms. Right now I have under 900 ecto, but that supply has tended upwards thanks to my salvaging anything that doesn't have a notably greater TP value as an item. I have a Copper-fed and a Silver-fed; I use the former for greens and below, and the latter for rares.

    I am considering buying the RC. The discussions I've been seeing in the threads about it seem to focus on value if one sells off the mats gained. Given that I hoard rather than sell, how would that affect the analysis of best -fed to use for what? Or is it too soon to tell how the RC will do on symbols and charms?

  • jwaz.1908jwaz.1908 Member ✭✭✭

    Thank you for making this comparison! Was about to make a thread asking the same question.

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  • @Donari.5237 said:
    I am considering buying the RC. The discussions I've been seeing in the threads about it seem to focus on value if one sells off the mats gained. Given that I hoard rather than sell, how would that affect the analysis of best -fed to use for what? Or is it too soon to tell how the RC will do on symbols and charms?

    That's a good question to ask, especially since it's common for non-financially-oriented players to ignore incoming mats and just sell|use stuff when they have to. On the whole, the recommendations do not change because a large part of the benefit of using Silver-Fed or Mystic or Runecrafter's is the increased income of symbols & charms.

    Here's a comparison of material income (ignoring market prices) for salvaging 100 units (to avoid notation confusion between US and non-US readers):

    • Ecto (from L68+ rares): 87+ from SF & Mystic vs 80 from RC
    • Charm|Symbol from upgrade-laden greens: 1.5 from SF|M vs 1.9 from RC
    • Charm|Symbol from upgrade laden rares (any level): 3.1 from SF|M vs 3.9 from RC

    Examples:

    • If you salvage 1000 upgraded rares with RC instead of SF, you'll have 70 fewer ecto and 8 more symbols|charms
    • If you salvage 1000 upgraded greens with RC instead of SF, you'll have 4 more symbols|charms (and a somewhat different mix of T5|T6 mats from L80 gear)

    i.e. the very thing that makes RC more profitable on greens is generating those extra high-value RC-type mats; that's also the very thing that keeps it competitive on rares compared to SF & friends

    For gear without upgrades (e.g. accessories), Copper-Fed is better for greens, while SF is much better than RC.


    And because it bears repeating: if you have lots of mystic stones, I strongly recommend creating mystic kits. You can use them on just about anything, as the per-use cost remains competitive compared to Copper-Fed and you spend less time making decisions.

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  • @Grimmtooth.4163 said:
    Could someone throw the Permanent Upgrade Extractor into the mix.

    tl;dr I don't recommend it
    It's not a horrid idea, it just seems like more micromanagement than most people would tolerate.


    Salvage with runemaster vs extract & sell vs extract & salvage with copper.

    The big disadvantage to the Perma Extractor is that you can't "salvage all", so it's a huge time cost. For that effort, you save exactly 27 copper by using PUE first on greens followed by using copper fed on the upgrades, i.e. not worth it.

    For rares, the math is a bit different. On 100 rares with upgrades, the best scenario is PUE first, SF on the rares for max ecto, CF on the upgrades. Compared to RC, you'll spend 33 silver more on salvage and end up with 7 extra ecto. Compared to using SF directly, you'll spend 3 extra silver on salvage and get an extra 80% of an upgrade.

    It's up to you to decide if it's worth the effort.

    I'm betting there will be a breakdown based on Charm/Symbol type.

    On the one hand, if you stick to only the mats worth 1.5g or better, then you'll be spending a lot less time salvaging, but a lot more time sorting through gear (and you'd have to memorize the list of which 30 sigils and which 30 runes have the "good ones."

    Sell the junk & salvage the high value unless its one of the high demand runes/sigils that is driving the market.

    Currently, I don't think there's any reason to sell greens or rares rather than salvage. That's even more effort than anything else described so far, because you'd have to check everything or have your spreadsheets run algorithms to determine rules of thumb to speed up you decisions.
    Plus, there's the time spent waiting for the TP to react, which currently seems longer than usual for a lot of players.

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  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Most exotics aren't worth much these days (which is a real shame and a real economical issue IMO), so it is smarter to salvage them for the rare materials they provide (given you own enough Black Lion Salvage Kits).

  • @Ashantara.8731 said:
    Most exotics aren't worth much these days (which is a real shame and a real economical issue IMO), so it is smarter to salvage them for the rare materials they provide (given you own enough Black Lion Salvage Kits).

    Most exotics are worth far more than their salvage value.
    And due to the upgrade overhaul, they are increasing in value (mostly).

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    Most exotics are worth far more than their salvage value.

    But still much less than they were worth only 1.5 years ago.

    And due to the upgrade overhaul, they are increasing in value (mostly).

    Hopefully so.

  • Hesacon.8735Hesacon.8735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    That's an interesting data set, I was curious what the difference in salvage rates for tiers of runes/sigils was.

    It's worth splitting up exotics into exotic weapons or exotic armor. From what I can tell the data set merges the two together.

    Weapons typically sell higher, but both can be salvaged into ectos and globs of dark matter (which are sometimes helpful, even if they don't have a pure coin value). Weapons can also be MF'd to unlock skins (there are far more weapon skins than armor skins) with a small-but-non-zero chance of a precursor.

    These days, if an exotic weapon sells for <1g I end up forging it, >1.5g I end up selling it. I'll black lion kit something with a valuable sigil. Armor I'll always salvage since its value is usually half that of low end weapons, and black lion kit a valuable rune.

  • @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    Most exotics are worth far more than their salvage value.

    But still much less than they were worth only 1.5 years ago.

    I don't see how that can have any effect on wether it's best to sell or salvage - that decision is based on the value now of each option, and to a lesser degree where you expect the price to go in the future, isn't it?

  • I've used CF, Mystic, and BL kits to salvage any and all my upgrades armors and weaponry from drops. Nothing seems to drop a symbol or charm, and am forced to buy them if I want to craft. It's been just over 1000 salvages with CF Kit, 250 with BL kit and about 500 with Mystic.

  • @Skielsthear.6913 said:
    I've used CF, Mystic, and BL kits to salvage any and all my upgrades armors and weaponry from drops. It's been just over 1000 salvages with CF Kit, 250 with BL kit and about 500 with Mystic.

    The number of salvages isn't the only factor. Fine & below don't come with upgrades, which might make up the bulk of your Copper-Fed inputs. BL kit doesn't salvage the runes & sigils at all. And even rares don't necessarily come with upgrades.

    However, given that, if you did 500 mystic salvages on rares most of which have upgrades, on average you'd get a 10-12 symbols|charms. Is it possible you deposited all without realizing it?

    and am forced to buy them if I want to craft.

    This is how it's supposed to work. (And it's how it worked before, only less efficiently, for us.) We get a ton of stuff we don't need, which we can sell to buy the stuff we do. The old method worked the same, except we'd have to individually sell each rune, each sigil (and there are dozens and dozens of each time). Most upgrades weren't available through crafting, including the most popular: scholar runes, force sigils, etc.

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  • TitaN.4280TitaN.4280 Member ✭✭

    So basically RC is slighty better than CF because it salvages rune and cost 200 gems less ?

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭

    Honestly...I am super satisfied with my Runecrafter's Salvage Kit.
    1. I get rarer materials, I get more ectos than with Copper Fed.
    2. I salvage upgrades with it, meaning I also earn mats that are used in runecrafting and some can sell for a lot.
    3. Price spent salvaging these items is meaningless, as you will earn a ton of money by selling the salvaged materials.
    4. 20% chance for rarer mats with Runecrafter's is a big deal, so spending extra copper on salvaging is not an issue at all.

    I did not buy Silver-Fed, particularly as I find that 1s per salvage is a lot, Runecrafter's is golden middle for me. I prefer it over other salvage kits in any case ^^

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Silverfed is not 1s per use anymore, its long been down to 60c. Yes, the manme is misleading. The RC is 30c

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    "In my experience, if you can't say what you mean, you can never mean what you say. The details are everything." ~ Minister Durano

  • @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Yes because ectos are more important for the profit, so the Mystic Kit and the Silver-Fed are better. Who said that the Runecrafter's was built for that, and not for masterwork?

  • Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2019

    @TitaN.4280 said:
    So basically RC is slighty better than CF because it salvages rune and cost 200 gems less ?

    None of the kits are "better" than the others for all situations.

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Not entirely accurate with that phrasing. The RC is most useful on masterwork, with upgrades, which is a high fraction of the loot most people get.


    In the current market (and this will change), the "most efficient" option varies with each niche as follows:

    • Fines & below: Copper-Fed, entirely because of the lower cost per salvage
    • Masterwork without upgrades: ditto
    • Masterwork with upgrades: Runecrafter's, because of the higher rate on upgrades and lower cost. Mystic is close (~92%), Silver-Fed is far (46%), & CF is worst (23%)
    • Rares L67 & lower, without upgrades: CF, lower cost
    • Rares L67 & lower, with upgrades: RC by far. Mystic (85%), SF (66%), CF (21%)
    • Rares L68 & up, without upgrades: Mystic best, others close: RC (90%), SF (96%)
    • Rares L68 & up, with upgrades: Mystic best, others very close: RC (95%), SF (97%)
    • Elonians should be sold, not salvaged
    • Exotics should be sold, not salvaged

    This isn't anything that isn't posted above; it's just phrased differently.

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  • Thanks for the data! And I like your quote. I just finished reading Broken Angels again.

  • There is no single kit that is superior for all situations, in today's market. If you want to simplify to make inventory management easier, then first consider what your loot looks like, whether you'd rather spend extra per salvage so you miss nothing or spend less so you're more efficient.

    For e.g. Istani farming, your loot is mostly unidentified gear (best to sell, for most people) and champ bags, that drop L80 loot regardless of who is opening. In that situation, your salvage is primarily rares, so mystic if you have the stones to make them, Silver-Fed if not.

    For e.g. Silverwastes farming, your loot is mostly gear, mostly masterwork, and champ bags, which you'd keep a "bag opener" to manage (L53 for example). In that case, Runecrafter's is the most efficient. Mystic is a fine alternative (again, presuming you have enough mystic stones). And Silver-Fed is not a bad option.

    Copper-Fed is best when most of your gear is fine or below (as it would be for newer accounts, especially in core Tyria). But it's not a horrible option for other people; it just fails to extra the most value from gear with upgrades.


    Unfortunately, there's no simple rule of thumb that is going to apply to all of us.

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  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Yes because ectos are more important for the profit, so the Mystic Kit and the Silver-Fed are better. Who said that the Runecrafter's was built for that, and not for masterwork?

    Well the name runecrafter suggests that it's targeted for people who create runes (and sigils as well I guess). The items like symbols go for 2-3 gold easy a piece. So I would think that by that it could have a significance on profit as well since the runecrafter item has a higher chance on upgrade salvage than the silver-o-matic. So I figured that it makes sense that it's called runecrafter because it has a better chance on salvage from upgraders like runes and sigils which supports the crafting of runes and sigils.

    It obviously still does other things but the main draw for this item seems to be the higher chance of salvage from upgrades.

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  • Skielsthear.6913Skielsthear.6913 Member ✭✭
    edited January 5, 2019

    Only 2 symbols of Pain. No other charms or symbols. To be fair I think I bought those anyhow.

  • @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Yes because ectos are more important for the profit, so the Mystic Kit and the Silver-Fed are better. Who said that the Runecrafter's was built for that, and not for masterwork?

    Well the name runecrafter suggests that it's targeted for people who create runes (and sigils as well I guess). The items like symbols go for 2-3 gold easy a piece. So I would think that by that it could have a significance on profit as well since the runecrafter item has a higher chance on upgrade salvage than the silver-o-matic. So I figured that it makes sense that it's called runecrafter because it has a better chance on salvage from upgraders like runes and sigils which supports the crafting of runes and sigils.

    It obviously still does other things but the main draw for this item seems to be the higher chance of salvage from upgrades.

    And it does what it's name says, it's also not bad for rares, it's just not the best choice because of the current marketprices. I think it's better like this, than to have one of the Salvage-o-Matics become obsolete.

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Yes because ectos are more important for the profit, so the Mystic Kit and the Silver-Fed are better. Who said that the Runecrafter's was built for that, and not for masterwork?

    Well the name runecrafter suggests that it's targeted for people who create runes (and sigils as well I guess). The items like symbols go for 2-3 gold easy a piece. So I would think that by that it could have a significance on profit as well since the runecrafter item has a higher chance on upgrade salvage than the silver-o-matic. So I figured that it makes sense that it's called runecrafter because it has a better chance on salvage from upgraders like runes and sigils which supports the crafting of runes and sigils.

    It obviously still does other things but the main draw for this item seems to be the higher chance of salvage from upgrades.

    And it does what it's name says, it's also not bad for rares, it's just not the best choice because of the current marketprices. I think it's better like this, than to have one of the Salvage-o-Matics become obsolete.

    Sure because the item would be useless without all that, but the focus of this item is on salvaging upgrades. That's why there's a trade off with a lower chance on rare materials balanced with a lower cost per use.

    What I was wondering is if the increased chance of symbols and such doesn't make the runecrafter one more interesting also for higher level items because you may get fewer ecto's but symbols are a lot more valuable so they might tip the profit balance towards the runecrafter even for items over level 68 that have upgrades.

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  • @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Yes because ectos are more important for the profit, so the Mystic Kit and the Silver-Fed are better. Who said that the Runecrafter's was built for that, and not for masterwork?

    Well the name runecrafter suggests that it's targeted for people who create runes (and sigils as well I guess). The items like symbols go for 2-3 gold easy a piece. So I would think that by that it could have a significance on profit as well since the runecrafter item has a higher chance on upgrade salvage than the silver-o-matic. So I figured that it makes sense that it's called runecrafter because it has a better chance on salvage from upgraders like runes and sigils which supports the crafting of runes and sigils.

    It obviously still does other things but the main draw for this item seems to be the higher chance of salvage from upgrades.

    And it does what it's name says, it's also not bad for rares, it's just not the best choice because of the current marketprices. I think it's better like this, than to have one of the Salvage-o-Matics become obsolete.

    Sure because the item would be useless without all that, but the focus of this item is on salvaging upgrades. That's why there's a trade off with a lower chance on rare materials balanced with a lower cost per use.

    What I was wondering is if the increased chance of symbols and such doesn't make the runecrafter one more interesting also for higher level items because you may get fewer ecto's but symbols are a lot more valuable so they might tip the profit balance towards the runecrafter even for items over level 68 that have upgrades.

    You can see the calculation in the spreadsheet that was already posted in this thread, the average price of symbols and charms is too low to make the Runecrafter's better for rares >lvl 67.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The amount of work posters like Illconceived have done on this subject is impressive. A big thank you for your efforts, as the community as a whole benefits from your labors.

    For myself though, I remain unconvinced. To me, as someone who already has a Copper Fed, this kit represents a waste of 600 Gems and a shared inventory slot.

    The only thing I need is more symbols, and the projected yield doesn't justify the cost to me. That's just my opinion.

    Thankfully ANET was willing to refund the gems to my account, which is great of them, and I'm happy to spend them on another offering.

    And if down the road I see an error in my judgement, I always retain the option of purchasing the kit again.

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Yes because ectos are more important for the profit, so the Mystic Kit and the Silver-Fed are better. Who said that the Runecrafter's was built for that, and not for masterwork?

    Well the name runecrafter suggests that it's targeted for people who create runes (and sigils as well I guess). The items like symbols go for 2-3 gold easy a piece. So I would think that by that it could have a significance on profit as well since the runecrafter item has a higher chance on upgrade salvage than the silver-o-matic. So I figured that it makes sense that it's called runecrafter because it has a better chance on salvage from upgraders like runes and sigils which supports the crafting of runes and sigils.

    It obviously still does other things but the main draw for this item seems to be the higher chance of salvage from upgrades.

    And it does what it's name says, it's also not bad for rares, it's just not the best choice because of the current marketprices. I think it's better like this, than to have one of the Salvage-o-Matics become obsolete.

    Sure because the item would be useless without all that, but the focus of this item is on salvaging upgrades. That's why there's a trade off with a lower chance on rare materials balanced with a lower cost per use.

    What I was wondering is if the increased chance of symbols and such doesn't make the runecrafter one more interesting also for higher level items because you may get fewer ecto's but symbols are a lot more valuable so they might tip the profit balance towards the runecrafter even for items over level 68 that have upgrades.

    You can see the calculation in the spreadsheet that was already posted in this thread, the average price of symbols and charms is too low to make the Runecrafter's better for rares >lvl 67.

    Thanks. I didn't quite get how his spreadsheet was set up but if that is the case then that answers my question :)

    "In my experience, if you can't say what you mean, you can never mean what you say. The details are everything." ~ Minister Durano

  • @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Yes because ectos are more important for the profit, so the Mystic Kit and the Silver-Fed are better. Who said that the Runecrafter's was built for that, and not for masterwork?

    Well the name runecrafter suggests that it's targeted for people who create runes (and sigils as well I guess). The items like symbols go for 2-3 gold easy a piece. So I would think that by that it could have a significance on profit as well since the runecrafter item has a higher chance on upgrade salvage than the silver-o-matic. So I figured that it makes sense that it's called runecrafter because it has a better chance on salvage from upgraders like runes and sigils which supports the crafting of runes and sigils.

    It obviously still does other things but the main draw for this item seems to be the higher chance of salvage from upgrades.

    And it does what it's name says, it's also not bad for rares, it's just not the best choice because of the current marketprices. I think it's better like this, than to have one of the Salvage-o-Matics become obsolete.

    Sure because the item would be useless without all that, but the focus of this item is on salvaging upgrades. That's why there's a trade off with a lower chance on rare materials balanced with a lower cost per use.

    What I was wondering is if the increased chance of symbols and such doesn't make the runecrafter one more interesting also for higher level items because you may get fewer ecto's but symbols are a lot more valuable so they might tip the profit balance towards the runecrafter even for items over level 68 that have upgrades.

    You can see the calculation in the spreadsheet that was already posted in this thread, the average price of symbols and charms is too low to make the Runecrafter's better for rares >lvl 67.

    Thanks. I didn't quite get how his spreadsheet was set up but if that is the case then that answers my question :)

    The spreadsheet has two sheets, the "base" sheet shows the used tp-prices and the calculation, the "overview" only sorts the kits depending on the average sell price of the salvage results you may get.

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Schimmi.6872 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    So the higher chance of getting symbols and such does not make that much of a different for higher level rares and exotics then? Because presumably that's what the runecrafter's version should be useful for.

    Yes because ectos are more important for the profit, so the Mystic Kit and the Silver-Fed are better. Who said that the Runecrafter's was built for that, and not for masterwork?

    Well the name runecrafter suggests that it's targeted for people who create runes (and sigils as well I guess). The items like symbols go for 2-3 gold easy a piece. So I would think that by that it could have a significance on profit as well since the runecrafter item has a higher chance on upgrade salvage than the silver-o-matic. So I figured that it makes sense that it's called runecrafter because it has a better chance on salvage from upgraders like runes and sigils which supports the crafting of runes and sigils.

    It obviously still does other things but the main draw for this item seems to be the higher chance of salvage from upgrades.

    And it does what it's name says, it's also not bad for rares, it's just not the best choice because of the current marketprices. I think it's better like this, than to have one of the Salvage-o-Matics become obsolete.

    Sure because the item would be useless without all that, but the focus of this item is on salvaging upgrades. That's why there's a trade off with a lower chance on rare materials balanced with a lower cost per use.

    What I was wondering is if the increased chance of symbols and such doesn't make the runecrafter one more interesting also for higher level items because you may get fewer ecto's but symbols are a lot more valuable so they might tip the profit balance towards the runecrafter even for items over level 68 that have upgrades.

    You can see the calculation in the spreadsheet that was already posted in this thread, the average price of symbols and charms is too low to make the Runecrafter's better for rares >lvl 67.

    Thanks. I didn't quite get how his spreadsheet was set up but if that is the case then that answers my question :)

    The spreadsheet has two sheets, the "base" sheet shows the used tp-prices and the calculation, the "overview" only sorts the kits depending on the average sell price of the salvage results you may get.

    Yeah I hadn't checked that second sheet. Now that I've checked the formula's it all makes sense. Thanks again for helping out.

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  • @Gehenna.3625 said:
    Yeah I hadn't checked that second sheet. Now that I've checked the formula's it all makes sense. Thanks again for helping out.

    Good point. I'll try to clarify that in the opening post. (Thanks also to @Schimmi.6872.)

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