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EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

PvP got good stuff in the latest update like:

  • Exordium has been added to the Tournament of Legends first-place reward box.

Can WvW have a quarterly tournament too and reward every one from the winning server with a precursor of their choice?
Just a precursor you know. Not legendary weapon or anything.

Please? :bawling:

Comments

  • I admit they should find a way to introduce a way for wvwers to be able to make legend weapons, but. It through tournaments that server with the bigger numbers will.always win.

  • @Turk.5460 said:
    For the 900th time, no. Tournaments in WvW are not won by skill and teamwork. They are won by numbers only. Were you not around for the first one?

    And not only that but WvW is server based (World vs World, who would know ^^), while PvP is player based (Player vs Player) so you would have to award whole server, or even multiple servers now since we have server links (if not whole server than larger group of people)...
    Price of Legendaries would drop drastically then...

    Over the years I have seen multiple Precursors drops in WvW since if you are pugging, you can kill a lot more players to get a drop than you can doing PvE events, so you have better chance of dropping one in WvW than PvE I believe (might be mistaken though)...

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @all cheats.3186 said:
    I admit they should find a way to introduce a way for wvwers to be able to make legend weapons, but. It through tournaments that server with the bigger numbers will.always win.

    WvW players essentially get free mystic clovers from the final chest of the rewards track.
    WvW players earn mystic coins when they complete Gold/Diamond skirmish tracks.

    I just completed Sunrise without 'gambling' for any Mystic Clovers, and spending next to zero gold on buying mats (other than buying a ton of mithril while doing Stage II of the precursor), taking it at a relaxed pace. I started just after January, but about a month or so ago I decided to pump the brakes and see what the new GS legendary would look like; turns out I don't like it, so made my GS last night.

    Point is, all my materials were earned either in game / promoted in the forge, and all my clovers came either from reward track chests, or log in chests of loyalty. At no time, and I'm serious here, at no time was I ever 'farming' mats, as hate doing that. At all times I was playing the game, either doing WvW, fractals, HoT metas, all things I enjoy doing.

    I'd say WvW is very helpful in legendary crafting, at least compared to those who only PvE.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @banJelacic.4201 said:

    @Turk.5460 said:
    For the 900th time, no. Tournaments in WvW are not won by skill and teamwork. They are won by numbers only. Were you not around for the first one?

    And not only that but WvW is server based (World vs World, who would know ^^), while PvP is player based (Player vs Player) so you would have to award whole server, or even multiple servers now since we have server links (if not whole server than larger group of people)...
    Price of Legendaries would drop drastically then...

    Over the years I have seen multiple Precursors drops in WvW since if you are pugging, you can kill a lot more players to get a drop than you can doing PvE events, so you have better chance of dropping one in WvW than PvE I believe (might be mistaken though)...

    Both of my precursor drops were from WvW, that was 4 years ago though.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Btw if you really want the new sword, it is extremely easier to just craft it.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @banJelacic.4201 said:

    @Turk.5460 said:
    For the 900th time, no. Tournaments in WvW are not won by skill and teamwork. They are won by numbers only. Were you not around for the first one?

    And not only that but WvW is server based (World vs World, who would know ^^), while PvP is player based (Player vs Player) so you would have to award whole server, or even multiple servers now since we have server links (if not whole server than larger group of people)...
    Price of Legendaries would drop drastically then...

    Over the years I have seen multiple Precursors drops in WvW since if you are pugging, you can kill a lot more players to get a drop than you can doing PvE events, so you have better chance of dropping one in WvW than PvE I believe (might be mistaken though)...

    Both of my precursor drops were from WvW, that was 4 years ago though.

    Dont you know? Every steel chest you failed to pick up actually contained a precursor.

    True story. Prove me wrong.

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    You just described 80% of WvW in that first sentence.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    You just described 80% of WvW in that first sentence.

    yeah but why does it grant so much more gold on a pve map?

    read this, become a better player now.

  • banJelacic.4201banJelacic.4201 Member ✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    I agree that WvW rewards are not the best (by far) but lets be honest - would we really want to have bunch of PvE scrubs running in WvW leeching for their precious golds and holding a queues on maps...
    WvW would become even bigger and more brainless karma train as it already is...

    I dont do PvE at all (only few fractals here and then) - have joined SW meta event once because it was going on at the time when I was trying to get HoT map unlocked to get HPs - did it once and doubt will do it ever again, since Slot machines in Casinos are more challenging and more entertaining to me than those events, so would definitely fully quit WvW if all WvW maps become just SW with queues on map...

  • Etterwyn.5263Etterwyn.5263 Member ✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    You just described 80% of WvW in that first sentence.

    yeah but why does it grant so much more gold on a pve map?

    WvW needs more nodes obviously. They shouldn't be restricted to objectives. A world boss on each map would be good too. =)

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  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Etterwyn.5263 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    You just described 80% of WvW in that first sentence.

    yeah but why does it grant so much more gold on a pve map?

    WvW needs more nodes obviously. They shouldn't be restricted to objectives. A world boss on each map would be good too. =)

    having additional nodes to gather is no different then using a bit of the time you would spent in WvW to gather in pve. increased rewards need to be tied in what one already does in WvW.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭

    @Etterwyn.5263 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    You just described 80% of WvW in that first sentence.

    yeah but why does it grant so much more gold on a pve map?

    WvW needs more nodes obviously. They shouldn't be restricted to objectives. A world boss on each map would be good too. =)

    Bring back champion spider north of skritt camp at alpine!

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  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    maybe after restructuring, assuming is works. could be fun.

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  • Alehin.3746Alehin.3746 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes you are asking for a lot. lol

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Offair.2563 said:

    @Etterwyn.5263 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    You just described 80% of WvW in that first sentence.

    yeah but why does it grant so much more gold on a pve map?

    WvW needs more nodes obviously. They shouldn't be restricted to objectives. A world boss on each map would be good too. =)

    Bring back champion spider north of skritt camp at alpine!

    It's probably still there, just have to trigger it's spawn.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Kovu.7560Kovu.7560 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Etterwyn.5263 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    You just described 80% of WvW in that first sentence.

    yeah but why does it grant so much more gold on a pve map?

    WvW needs more nodes obviously. They shouldn't be restricted to objectives. A world boss on each map would be good too. =)

    having additional nodes to gather is no different then using a bit of the time you would spent in WvW to gather in pve. increased rewards need to be tied in what one already does in WvW.

    Could increase the yield of harvesting nodes inside structures (rich nodes or w/e). Perhaps tie rare crafting drops to them. There's certainly ways to go about that without increasing the number of nodes on the maps.

    Anywho, the only time its noticeable that you're getting less value per hour of gameplay in wvw is when you're actively tracking it.
    Maybe you're working towards something in specific (such as the completion of a reward track) or you're a pve'er trying out wvw for profit -- you'll notice that you're not getting as much value. But as someone who plays the gamemode for the sake of the gamemode I make back more than enough to cover general expenses, and then some.

    Another thought (I've mentioned this before) is a hefty diminishing returns mechanic tied to killing other players. That way the value of initial kills can be increased to something actually noticeable. Roamers would love this. Zerging/tag-'n-bag is hardly a high skill/difficult thing to do, but its the reason individual player kills are worth so little.

    No prizes for "winners" in this gamemode please, Blackgate doesn't need more stuff and the other servers will fight to tank to "win" in the lower tier.

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  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kovu.7560 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Etterwyn.5263 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    running brainless around maps gathering stuff grants a ton more gold while you dont have an ongoing buffood/siege/tactics cost. id say WvW should get about the same gold/hour as gathering at least.
    but no rewards based on winning / tournaments please .

    You just described 80% of WvW in that first sentence.

    yeah but why does it grant so much more gold on a pve map?

    WvW needs more nodes obviously. They shouldn't be restricted to objectives. A world boss on each map would be good too. =)

    having additional nodes to gather is no different then using a bit of the time you would spent in WvW to gather in pve. increased rewards need to be tied in what one already does in WvW.

    Could increase the yield of harvesting nodes inside structures (rich nodes or w/e). Perhaps tie rare crafting drops to them. There's certainly ways to go about that without increasing the number of nodes on the maps.

    Anywho, the only time its noticeable that you're getting less value per hour of gameplay in wvw is when you're actively tracking it.
    Maybe you're working towards something in specific (such as the completion of a reward track) or you're a pve'er trying out wvw for profit -- you'll notice that you're not getting as much value. But as someone who plays the gamemode for the sake of the gamemode I make back more than enough to cover general expenses, and then some.

    before the mark changes i was pretty much only playing WvW, since then i spent quite a bit in PvE and am for a while now coming more and more back to WvW. guess in that bit of a time i got used to the gold income so i feel the difference. i mean i pretty much got all i need, but i wont be the only one noticing a huge difference when playing a bit PvE for a while and i guess that is one thing that keeps people out.

    Another thought (I've mentioned this before) is a hefty diminishing returns mechanic tied to killing other players. That way the value of initial kills can be increased to something actually noticeable. Roamers would love this. Zerging/tag-'n-bag is hardly a high skill/difficult thing to do, but its the reason individual player kills are worth so little.

    i certainly would love to get more bags in smallscale fights, but diminishing returns may kick in everywhere. id prefer to scale the loot based on targets you are in combat wich doesnt have to be linear. maybe in a way that you still gain same loot in a 50 ppl zerg as you gain now, while it scales up to ~5 heavy loot bags per solo kill.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Whiteout.1975Whiteout.1975 Member ✭✭✭

    @Turk.5460 said:
    For the 900th time, no. Tournaments in WvW are not won by skill and teamwork. They are won by numbers only. Were you not around for the first one?

    Sadly this holds true as well :/...
    For the 900th time, no. Tournaments in WvW are is not won by skill and teamwork. They are WvW is won by numbers only. Were you not around for the first one?

  • Arzurag.7506Arzurag.7506 Member ✭✭✭

    We would need certain rules for these tournaments, so that the numbers of the participating groups are even.
    Of these multiple would be held through the season of war, or any other time frame.

    In my opinion, creating tournaments, new ranks and rewards based on the outcome and even just participating, would be a healthy addition to wvw.

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  • Slick.7164Slick.7164 Member ✭✭

    Never will work. Anet employees decide winners/losers They manipulate the numbers to win. Would never be a fair fight with Seattle trash running it.

  • Ni In.6578Ni In.6578 Member ✭✭✭

    ANet isn't in Seattle. That's about 30-45 minutes away depending on traffic.

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  • Rubedo.8769Rubedo.8769 Member ✭✭

    @Slick.7164 said:
    Never will work. Anet employees decide winners/losers They manipulate the numbers to win. Would never be a fair fight with Seattle trash running it.

    Show us on the dolly where the big mean BG touched you.

  • SlateSloan.3654SlateSloan.3654 Member ✭✭✭

    anet stopped to make wvw tournaments as they did statistics about what happened after the tournaments and they saw a huge decrease of playerbase as people needed a longer break after. the matches have been one week each and people burn themselves out too much.

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2019

    Tournaments or any form of team-performance based reward can't really be done until population balance has been adressed.

    There are plenty of other options to actually do something with the other currencies though.

    More skins/exotics for badges could be one option. Unique looks would be welcome and maybe drive players into the mode more regularily for cosmetics.
    Do something with the legendary spikes could be another option (they have nice intermediate drop rates to build some reward-system around).

    They could easily adress the balance of the ticket/marks system because it is so ridiculous now that you are better off stacking your tickets, selling your memories and just PvE-craft your ascendeds. Sure, the tickets and marks are good for eventually building up legendary armor but the base ascended figures could easily be adressed so it is actually worthwhile to build some ascendeds for your tickets and memories. The same goes for the jewellery, even if the price of memories to reset stats was hard for Anet to calculate before they implemented it, something could easily be done to it now to actually make them worthwhile next to eg., blood ruby jewellery. No one spends 30g to reset stats, that just suggests for you to sell the memories and get other forms of gear in other game modes. You have after all spent a good portion of your week in WvW by the time you get anywhere close to a mark. That time investment should be far more rewarded otherwise it is better to craft PvE gear even if you spend the better part of your week in WvW. That is the dangerous part of the comparison. The issue is not that it's easier to craft your stuff in PvE but that it remains so even if you spend the bulk of your weekly time in WvW.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turk.5460 said:
    For the 900th time, no. Tournaments in WvW are not won by skill and teamwork. They are won by numbers only. Were you not around for the first one?

    So, guess he's on Blackgate then? Want's the easy Legendary.

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