Zacchary.6183 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, Will.9785 said: So we can give alacrity with the trait but where's the quickness? Alacrity isn't worth as much to thieves as it is other classes. Sc/p dual's second attack gives quickness 2s x 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borked.6824 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The big elephant in the room here is...are they going to improve targeting for this?? If it's anything like the current state, people gon' be dying left and right, and thieves are gonna get lynched for it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrayHawk.7560 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I'm foreseeing a team comp consisting of a nuke Bladesworn with a tethered plaguedoctor Specter and a CC support Mechanist / bruiser CC Untamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acheron.4576 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I'm kinda curious how this e-spec will manage as solo in pve compared to the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyT.7192 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Doggie.3184 said: yeah I was wondering about that but don't feel like logging in to see if I can target allies from the party UI. I literally don't remember if there're easy ways to single target an ally cuz there's no reason to. I wonder if they can add a hot key option to target certain allies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497 said: Borderline worthless to a thief as it doesn't help their main mechanic. There are more things to thief than just initiative, like siphon and the wells that grant the boon in the first place. And take note, Shadow Shroud takes a lot of weight off of initiative use since all of the shroud skills have short regular CDs so your initiative will be recovering while you continue to attack. Your traited wells will also reduce all of your CDs out of shroud so you can gain more shadow force from the same trait and get back into shroud sooner. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will.9785 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Zacchary.6183 said: Sc/p dual's second attack gives quickness 2s x 7. Not to you it doesn't. Watch the video again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tails.9372 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Acheron.4576 said: I'm kinda curious how this e-spec will manage as solo in pve compared to the others. From what has been shown, aside from DD dodge spam, it's the most easy mode you can get with thief. One of the traits implies that SS acts like a second health pool. You won't get much out of invigorating precision but tormenting runes can make up for that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will.9785 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) The targeting specific allies means I literally won't be able to play the spec. It should work like every other support in the game and do AOE around you or your target. It's an accessibility issue. I can't use a mouse/keyboard and I use an alternate input device. I have to play with action camera and I can't target/click allies or enemies. I can only aim in the general direction. I'm a thief main and I'm going to be stuck playing Daredevil for the rest of my days apparently. Edited October 22, 2021 by Will.9785 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Will.9785 said: Not to you it doesn't. Watch the video again. How about you try watching the vid and maybe upping the resolution a bit. Because Endless Night hits 7 times. EDIT: Misread, and you're right. But that isn't the point of a support spec. I personally think its awesome. Edited October 22, 2021 by Zacchary.6183 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will.9785 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Zacchary.6183 said: How about you try watching the vid and maybe upping the resolution a bit. Because Endless Night hits 7 times. It pulses 7 times to 3 targets and you aren't one of them. You go watch the video. It's 22:30 into it. Edited October 22, 2021 by Will.9785 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Will.9785 said: It pulses 7 times to 3 targets and you aren't one of them. You go watch the video. That's because its a support spec. If you want self quickness, stay on deadeye. Also, I edited my last reply. Edited October 22, 2021 by Zacchary.6183 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will.9785 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, Zacchary.6183 said: That's because its a support spec. If you want self quickness, stay on deadeye. Also, I edited my last reply. Support skills that can't buff either yourself or 5 allies are bad. You won't be able to fill the quickness role in PVE squads because 40% of the sub won't be covered. So where exactly is this skill going to fit in the current meta? It won't. Unless it's meant to be used in PVP and WvW... which a skill designed for those modes again seems like a bad skill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felices Bladewing.3914 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 this single target support thing is not a great solution. When the teaser was released i kinda felt like this espec was going to be good, and in terms of the raw potential it is - dont get me wrong - but it is a lackluster AoE Support which also means you cant buff/support yourself so this spec is too reliable on constructed group play. Hope i am wrong and proven better, but so far it might be a dead spec in openworld, WvW or solo PvE. Also i can already hear people crying out loud that they didnt receive the thiefs healing from the same guys that are constantly complaing about stealth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Will.9785 said: Support skills that can't buff either yourself or 5 allies are bad. You won't be able to fill the quickness role in PVE squads because 40% of the sub won't be covered. So where exactly is this skill going to fit in the current meta? It won't. Unless it's meant to be used in PVP and WvW... which a skill designed for those modes again seems like a bad skill. The beam affects everyone in it. So if you are going to buff multiple allies, aim far and maneuver the rest inbetween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyuDragnier.9476 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Will.9785 said: Support skills that can't buff either yourself or 5 allies are bad. You won't be able to fill the quickness role in PVE squads because 40% of the sub won't be covered. So where exactly is this skill going to fit in the current meta? It won't. Unless it's meant to be used in PVP and WvW... which a skill designed for those modes again seems like a bad skill. Look at the traits. Traversing Darkness in particular. "Heal allies in the area around you when you shadowstep. Gain shadow force for each ally in the radius. Wells grant alacrity on their initial impact." 4s Alac on that, 4/6 Wells have a 20s cooldown. It's going to be VERY easy to give Alacrity, and Well of Bounty gives every boon you DON'T have on you. 5 Allies total can be hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, RyuDragnier.9476 said: Well of Bounty gives every boon you DON'T have on you. Note, though, that it's 1 boon per pulse and it prioritizes some bad ones first (like Regen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedmon.6798 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 And how long is this "support thief" gonna live in actual fights where he's gonna be the main focus ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Caedmon.6798 said: And how long is this "support thief" gonna live in actual fights where he's gonna be the main focus ? Better question: Will Signet of Malice proc with Ally-Targeted attacks? Because that would be overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tails.9372 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, Zacchary.6183 said: Better question: Will Signet of Malice proc with Ally-Targeted attacks? Because that would be overpowered. I don't think that attacks from your targeted ally count as they're not your "pet". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tails.9372 said: I don't think that attacks from your targeted ally count as they're not your "pet". Not from the targeted ally, AT the targeted ally. Scepter skills can affect allies so I am wondering if hitting them will proc SoM passive. Because if that is the case, Thief can get some real sustain for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Acheron.4576 said: I'm kinda curious how this e-spec will manage as solo in pve compared to the others. Solo against trash ... probably IS trash ... or to be fair, simply can't compete with DE. I believe this spec does offer a less gimmicky option for harder, single target mobs that I've seen people talk about. I welcome that. Edited October 23, 2021 by Obtena.7952 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausar.9542 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Will.9785 said: Support skills that can't buff either yourself or 5 allies are bad. You won't be able to fill the quickness role in PVE squads because 40% of the sub won't be covered. So where exactly is this skill going to fit in the current meta? It won't. Unless it's meant to be used in PVP and WvW... which a skill designed for those modes again seems like a bad skill. dropping this allied targeting on a commander in WvW could be powerful in zerg fights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will.9785 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, RyuDragnier.9476 said: Look at the traits. Traversing Darkness in particular. "Heal allies in the area around you when you shadowstep. Gain shadow force for each ally in the radius. Wells grant alacrity on their initial impact." 4s Alac on that, 4/6 Wells have a 20s cooldown. It's going to be VERY easy to give Alacrity, and Well of Bounty gives every boon you DON'T have on you. 5 Allies total can be hit. I know. I'm talking about the quickness skill specifically, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Will.9785 said: I know. I'm talking about the quickness skill specifically, though. And why should thief get alacrity, quickness and barrier all rolled into the same spec? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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