EoD strikes are 1/4th the gold/hour of fractals

[Shiyo.3578]

1.5g for 10m of work. You can only do the daily once a day, so if you assume you could do it 6 times. 1.5 * 6 = 9g.

Fractals are 40g for 45-60m.

Fractals also give a legendary item eventually, EoD strikes do not.

[Wintermute.5408]

I hope for an eventual second leg ring to come with EoD, from CM strikes. Obviously, so far it's a wishful thinking.

As for gold rewards - raid rewards have also been historically garbage for gold. So yay, consistency I guess. I just wish strike completion rewards were daily instead of weekly.

[Shiyo.3578]

Doesnt even add the fact you need to gather 9 others to gain a whopping 1.5g while fractals is gather 4 and get 40g.

[IAmNotMatthew.1058]

Other than the weekly 1 LI there isn't much to Strikes.
The MCs and Clovers from the vendor looked cool until I realized that the weekly cap of shards is that incredibly low.

[Fangoth.4503]

simple fix, nerf fractal even more

 

[Makion.3457]

Thats why I dont even bother with strikes, Fractals are faster, easier, gives more gold, better loot and you dont need 10 ppl to do a single run. 

[Makion.3457]

On 3/21/2022 at 2:32 AM, Fangoth.4503 said:

simple fix, nerf fractal even more

 

Or do Better strikes, they need to aim up, not nerf everything else. 

[Fangoth.4503]

11 minutes ago, Altion.9576 said:

Or do Better strikes, they need to aim up, not nerf everything else. 

good luck trying to convince them on that one

[Zok.4956]

On 3/20/2022 at 3:24 AM, Shiyo.3578 said:

1.5g for 10m of work. You can only do the daily once a day, so if you assume you could do it 6 times. 1.5 * 6 = 9g.

Fractals are 40g for 45-60m.

A real world job at minimal wage is around 300g for 60m (if you buy gems with real money) in several countries.

If you want the most gold/h from your work: get a job.

Or, you could just play the content you like the most and have fun.

[Wolfb.7025]

You're not counting the investment of gear and time it takes to reach Fractals T4s. And the effort you have to put in order to learn.

EoD strikes are glorified training golems.

[IAmNotMatthew.1058]

1 hour ago, Wolfb.7025 said:

You're not counting the investment of gear and time it takes to reach Fractals T4s. And the effort you have to put in order to learn.

EoD strikes are glorified training golems.

You don't go from zero to full Ascended 150AR in Fractals either. You don't throw ~400 gold at Fractals only to get ~40 back. Even with zero investment you get ~10 gold each day.

If we are about investment into gear if we count the investment to Strikes then they might as well be a loss.

[Wolfb.7025]

3 minutes ago, IAmNotMatthew.1058 said:

You don't go from zero to full Ascended 150AR in Fractals either. You don't throw ~400 gold at Fractals only to get ~40 back. Even with zero investment you get ~10 gold each day.

If we are about investment into gear if we count the investment to Strikes then they might as well be a loss.

huh, you can do raids/strikes/wvw/etc in exotic gear.

Only reason you can't in fractals is AR.

[IAmNotMatthew.1058]

1 minute ago, Wolfb.7025 said:

huh, you can do raids/strikes/wvw/etc in exotic gear.

Only reason you can't in fractals is AR.

You can do the first 20 Scales in Exotic gear too, those 20 Scales are more rewarding than EoD Strikes.

Still, Exotic gear and runes aren't free, those are investment too.

[Epsilon Indi.2031]

On 3/29/2022 at 2:42 AM, Zok.4956 said:

A real world job at minimal wage is around 300g for 60m (if you buy gems with real money) in several countries.

If you want the most gold/h from your work: get a job.

Or, you could just play the content you like the most and have fun.

This is such a disingenuous argument that assumes the person working doesn't also have bills and other responsibilities to be spending their money on first and would love to spend all their spare cash on gems to convert to gold.

[Obtena.7952]

1 hour ago, Sir Alymer.3406 said:

This is such a disingenuous argument that assumes the person working doesn't also have bills and other responsibilities to be spending their money on first and would love to spend all their spare cash on gems to convert to gold.

Actually, it's not as disingenuous as you think. Why is it unreasonable for people to spend money on a hobby? If people want to regard game content like a job that's just there to earn something, why is this comparison invalid? It boils down to the value you get for your time spent ... and the poster was correct. If someone just want to get the most gold for time spent, they are likely are going to simply buy gems and convert to gold. 

I mean, the disingenuous part is that because 'bills', it's unreasonable to suggest people regarding game content like a job shouldn't spend money on it if they just want gold and don't want to spend the time ingame to get it. It's all a question of how people prioritize their time/money on a hobby. That's it. I don't know a single person who's time is so invaluable that the BEST way for them to earn something ingame is to treat it like a job and camp for it over simply buying it. Therefore the reason people do it SHOULD be because they enjoy the content. 

The OP's complaint here has always been a massive non-starter. It's not a problem specific content doesn't give a certain amount of gold. PERIOD. 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Obtena.7952

[Epsilon Indi.2031]

57 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Actually, it's not as disingenuous as you think. Why is it unreasonable for people to spend money on a hobby? If people want to regard game content like a job that's just there to earn something, why is this comparison invalid? It boils down to the value you get for your time spent ... and the poster was correct. If someone just want to get the most gold for time spent, they are likely are going to simply buy gems and convert to gold. 

"Actually, it's not as disingenuous as you think. Why is it unreasonable for people to spend money on a hobby?"
Actually, ~300 gold an hour at current exchange rates comes out to between $16-$17 an hour which is nowhere near minimum wage for the USA.  Maybe a full time manufacturing job (But that's also still before taxes).   This is why it's disingenuous to say "But jobs are the most gold an hour!"  Also spending all your money on a single game is a bit unreasonable when there are multiple games coming out that these players would want to play. (Unless they're whales, but those are rare).
 

"If people want to regard game content like a job that's just there to earn something, why is this comparison invalid? "

"Work" has multiple meanings, and where it's being used, it can be swapped out with "effort" and mean the same thing.  Games are also an entertainment medium.  Players play content because it's fun or because it gives a good reward (And good games can make content both fun and rewarding). Players putting in work/effort to gain rewards from a medium of entertainment isn't actually work for anything actually real or important while working at a job is to sustain their existence. So no, comparing Real-Life work (Person putting in work/effort to pay for Real-Life necessities) to in-game effort for rewards is non sequitur.  It does not follow the same logic.  You don't have to do anything in-game to have fun in it, while at work, you're expected to do certain tasks to get payment.

And this is coming from someone who, while they had a job, would pay for things in the gemstore, but at the same time, it wasn't all of my spare cash at any given time.
 

[Obtena.7952]

2 hours ago, Sir Alymer.3406 said:

"Actually, it's not as disingenuous as you think. Why is it unreasonable for people to spend money on a hobby?"
Actually, ~300 gold an hour at current exchange rates comes out to between $16-$17 an hour which is nowhere near minimum wage for the USA.  Maybe a full time manufacturing job (But that's also still before taxes).   This is why it's disingenuous to say "But jobs are the most gold an hour!"  Also spending all your money on a single game is a bit unreasonable when there are multiple games coming out that these players would want to play. (Unless they're whales, but those are rare).
 

"If people want to regard game content like a job that's just there to earn something, why is this comparison invalid? "

"Work" has multiple meanings, and where it's being used, it can be swapped out with "effort" and mean the same thing.  Games are also an entertainment medium.  Players play content because it's fun or because it gives a good reward (And good games can make content both fun and rewarding). Players putting in work/effort to gain rewards from a medium of entertainment isn't actually work for anything actually real or important while working at a job is to sustain their existence. So no, comparing Real-Life work (Person putting in work/effort to pay for Real-Life necessities) to in-game effort for rewards is non sequitur.  It does not follow the same logic.  You don't have to do anything in-game to have fun in it, while at work, you're expected to do certain tasks to get payment.

And this is coming from someone who, while they had a job, would pay for things in the gemstore, but at the same time, it wasn't all of my spare cash at any given time.
 

There isn't an argument here. Anyone that is dishonestly reducing specific content value down to ONLY gold per hour as an argument to change content rewards is instantly going to reduce the reply to their issue down to doing the content that gives the MOST gold per hour. In this game, for MANY people, I suspect that's not grinding game content, it's using the CC since most people aren't consistently able to earn more gold per hour ingame than they can outside it. 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Obtena.7952

[Kozumi.5816]

On 3/29/2022 at 3:42 AM, Zok.4956 said:

A real world job at minimal wage is around 300g for 60m (if you buy gems with real money) in several countries.

If you want the most gold/h from your work: get a job.

Or, you could just play the content you like the most and have fun.

Maybe Anet should consider taking a single one of their 5000 skins they shove into the gem store and putting it behind a collection/currency you can't spend gold to buy(Boosting/sales excluded of course).

No, weapon skins don't count, I have legendaries and there's too many weapon skins already.

Edited April 1, 2022 by Kozumi.5816

[zealex.9410]

On 3/20/2022 at 4:24 AM, Shiyo.3578 said:

1.5g for 10m of work. You can only do the daily once a day, so if you assume you could do it 6 times. 1.5 * 6 = 9g.

Fractals are 40g for 45-60m.

Fractals also give a legendary item eventually, EoD strikes do not.

Strikes give li which also leads to legendary gear eventually. That being said making eod strikes largely weekly rather than daily was a weird call.

[zealex.9410]

On 3/29/2022 at 9:23 PM, Wolfb.7025 said:

You're not counting the investment of gear and time it takes to reach Fractals T4s. And the effort you have to put in order to learn.

EoD strikes are glorified training golems.

T4s are glorified dungeon golems compaired to the eod strikes, at least you can die in those. The only way to t4s is if you have particularly bad instabs.

[Firebeard.1746]

On 3/19/2022 at 7:24 PM, Shiyo.3578 said:

1.5g for 10m of work. You can only do the daily once a day, so if you assume you could do it 6 times. 1.5 * 6 = 9g.

Fractals are 40g for 45-60m.

Fractals also give a legendary item eventually, EoD strikes do not.

The number of "confused" reactions to your posts speaking the truth have me worried about the state of this game and the kind of feedback the devs are getting. Have you been clocking Kaineng at all? 10 mins sounds kind of fast. The last time I cleared it, it was over 20 mins, but people died, but still it was only like 2 people. raiding is better lol. 

[Bakeneko.5826]

On 3/20/2022 at 4:24 AM, Shiyo.3578 said:

1.5g for 10m of work. You can only do the daily once a day, so if you assume you could do it 6 times. 1.5 * 6 = 9g.

Fractals are 40g for 45-60m.

Fractals also give a legendary item eventually, EoD strikes do not.

Go do fractals?

[Sarius.9285]

On 4/2/2022 at 12:08 AM, zealex.9410 said:

Strikes give li which also leads to legendary gear eventually.

in 3 years of weekly playing and only if you do the Raid achievements anyways 

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

On 3/29/2022 at 4:07 PM, IAmNotMatthew.1058 said:

You can do the first 20 Scales in Exotic gear too, those 20 Scales are more rewarding than EoD Strikes.

Still, Exotic gear and runes aren't free, those are investment too.

WvW gives you exotic gear for free.

[IAmNotMatthew.1058]

Just now, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

WvW gives you exotic gear for free.

Do you go to WvW, press a button and get a free Exotic set or do you need to invest resources(like time) to get it?