Eddie.9143 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 needs damage mitigation and lower cd heals. can't sustain and energy costs too high 4 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Renegade is literally in the dumpster right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagie.7612 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 played all of last season as condi zerk, was like "this is pretty bad lol" decided to play this one as shortbow renegod cause bows are cool and i don't like pets it's REALLY bad. like, frustratingly bad even compared to something that's also relatively weak balance around meta specs isn't horrible, but the gap between the top and the bottom/meta and non-meta feels worse than anything ever did in hot or pof, imo 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) It's been so long since I saw one I almost forgot they exist. ... I play this game like once a month now but that's irrelevant. Edited December 14, 2022 by Kuma.1503 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) I started playing chronomancer back when it was butchered and didn't have self-shatter, nor distortion nor any real alacrity income. Just to get started, I decided to abuse chronophantasma to its fullest extent. - Rabid amulet for crits + survivability - Phantasmal Duelist with Duelist's Discipline and Sharper Images; 2s bleeding, but I'm adding Sigil of Agony + Rune of the Krait + Signet of Midnight; now we're on 3.25s bleeding. Combo the projectile finishers with Well of Precognition (chaos field), your pistol4 deals cripple + 15-ish bleed + 3-ish confusion. - Phantasmal Mage: daze + burning + confusion (baseline) + bleeding (sharper images) + slow (Delayed Reactions) + blind + confusion (Ineptitude if rupts). - Rune of the Krait: torment + poison + bleeding on Gravity Well. It's also a dark field, you can combo it with The Prestige for AoE blind + confusion (thanks to Ineptitude). TLDR: torch4 into gravity well is a mini-elixir of ambition with bleeding + torment + poison + burning + confusion + blind + slow; unlike the elixir there are no boons , but you're inside a gravity well so you can make something do. It was pretty kittening bad, but there are some intended mechanics. Core-engi tier: can do a thing which other builds perform much better, but it can do a thing. Confident in my own abilities, I made a renegade. "I found something in chronomancer when nobody else did, 100% I'll make renegade work" Boy, was I kittening wrong. It doesn't do anything at all. It felt even worse to play than nerfed chronomancer. The class needs something, and I have no idea what but those F skills are really miserable. Edited December 14, 2022 by Terrorhuz.4695 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Kinda wish charged mists nerf was something more reasonable than the extreme 60% nerf from 25 energy straight to 10 makes renegade and core rev feel so much more energy starved whereas herald basically can't use the trait and vindi would be questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrowEschatologist.6214 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I'm not great at PvP, but I have never been smacked around as hard as I was when I tried Renegade. Haven't dared try Revenant since . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Eddie.9143 said: needs damage mitigation and lower cd heals. can't sustain and energy costs too high https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vengeful_Hammers https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rite_of_the_Great_Dwarf https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Inspiring_Reinforcement Easiest thing to play in the game...swap to shortbow and press 1111....3 when energy is up and I see players on it not even bothering to dodge, especially in WvW with cele/trailblazer stats. Easiest revenant build in the game.....does not deserve any sort of buff...not before it gets scaled up in terms of difficulty Edited December 14, 2022 by Arheundel.6451 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Arheundel.6451 said: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vengeful_Hammers https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rite_of_the_Great_Dwarf https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Inspiring_Reinforcement Easiest thing to play in the game...swap to shortbow and press 1111....3 when energy is up and I see players on it not even bothering to dodge, especially in WvW with cele/trailblazer stats. Easiest revenant build in the game.....does not deserve any sort of buff...not before it gets scaled up in terms of difficulty It's strong in wvw, it's nerfed to kitten in pvp, this is the pvp forum, think before you post. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Arheundel.6451 said: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vengeful_Hammers https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rite_of_the_Great_Dwarf https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Inspiring_Reinforcement Easiest thing to play in the game...swap to shortbow and press 1111....3 when energy is up and I see players on it not even bothering to dodge, especially in WvW with cele/trailblazer stats. Easiest revenant build in the game.....does not deserve any sort of buff...not before it gets scaled up in terms of difficulty Wvw/PvP has completly diffrent balance.... we are talking about PowerRenegade in pvp.... You step in and brag about how op CeleRenegade is in WvW and that it doesnt need any buffs.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said: Wvw/PvP has completly diffrent balance.... we are talking about PowerRenegade in pvp.... You step in and brag about how op CeleRenegade is in WvW and that it doesnt need any buffs.. There is a mere 5 energy addtion on the skill that doesn't even apply to the OP between PvP and WvW....listen to your own suggestion and you could do that if not for the bias.... Talking in other threads about what right and what wrong with balance...then "promoting" gameplay options allowing the user to simply sit there, press couple of buttons and accomplish greatness. If you want to talk about skilled gameplay...there is very little left in this game, and at the very least...wise individuals recognize that ...they recognize of being as much of the problem as what they try to whine about. Acting like a balance guru in one thread than coming here claiming than monkey gameplay renegade needs buffs? I would be ready to buff power herald...rather than adding anything to monkey renegade builds....unless ofc you gut that OP/broken shortbow 33333 first Edited December 14, 2022 by Arheundel.6451 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: There is a mere 5 energy addtion on the skill that doesn't even apply to the OP between PvP and WvW....listen to your own suggestion and you could do that if not for the bias.... Talking in other threads about what right and what wrong with balance...then "promoting" gameplay options allowing the user to simply sit there, press couple of buttons and accomplish greatness. If you want to talk about skilled gameplay...there is very little left in this game, and at the very least...wise individuals recognize that ...they recognize of being as much of the problem as what they try to whine about. Acting like a balance guru in one thread than coming here claiming than monkey gameplay renegade needs buffs? I would be ready to buff power herald...rather than adding anything to monkey renegade builds....unless ofc you gut that OP/broken shortbow 33333 first Theres a big difference between Celerenegade in WvW and Renegade in PvP. Your literally telling how easy Cele Renegade is to play in WvW. and think your adding something to a discussion thats about PowerRenegade in PvP. "simply sit there, press couple of buttons and accomplish greatness." If you really think that Renegade in pvp can do this.... we can stop talking right now, because you dont play pvp at all. You literally said, that Herald could use a buff, but Renegade is op/broken..... "would be ready to buff power herald...rather than adding anything to monkey renegade builds....unless ofc you gut that OP/broken shortbow 33333 first" If that doesnt hint your skilllevel... i dont know what does. Edited December 14, 2022 by Sahne.6950 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutesySylveon.8290 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Arheundel.6451 said: Acting like a balance guru in one thread than coming here claiming than monkey gameplay renegade needs buffs? 1 hour ago, Arheundel.6451 said: listen to your own suggestion and you could do that if not for the bias.... How you can make these two statements in the same post is beyond me. You walk into a pvp forum with biases from WvW and tell other people to check their biases? That's pretty funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 3 hours ago, ArthurDent.9538 said: Kinda wish charged mists nerf was something more reasonable than the extreme 60% nerf from 25 energy straight to 10 makes renegade and core rev feel so much more energy starved whereas herald basically can't use the trait and vindi would be questionable. Reducing energy costs for unpopular weapons could be better idea than forcing people into certain trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Renegade PvP balance aside, someone saying that it is fine because Cele Renagod is fine in WvW is missing a very big difference between the two game modes. Spoiler Celestial doesn't exist in PvP anymore 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Renegade PvP balance aside, someone saying that it is fine because Cele Renagod is fine in WvW is missing a very big difference between the two game modes. Reveal hidden contents Celestial doesn't exist in PvP anymore You are missing the whole point by contrast... A build that can duel. team fight, support......typically it would be called bad design by common players....but ofc GW2 players would think otherwise....unless is not their profession. There is literally zero difference in CD and mechanics between the pvp version and wvw version for the skills I have linked..and yeah FW didn't cele to win did they? But hey...shame on me for even trying to make sense on the pvp forum, please you lot can keep up with the ranting and delusional talk. "buff renegade..."...please folks...add as many sad faces to this post as you can.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 A 1 year old video and a video from two patches ago aside, there is a stat delta between the game modes as well as a stat availability delta. In WvW you can leverage those increased stats to greater advantage and do better there and is one of the reasons why some professions can function better in one of the two competitive game modes than the other despite having similar skill/trait splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinoz.3958 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 As that YEAR OLD video shows, Renegade was pretty decent back then. Changes to mitigation percentage stacking from additive to multiplicative hurt that build in PvP. I played it back then, it was quite good. It simply isn't as strong in this meta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, robinoz.3958 said: As that YEAR OLD video shows, Renegade was pretty decent back then. Changes to mitigation percentage stacking from additive to multiplicative hurt that build in PvP. I played it back then, it was quite good. It simply isn't as strong in this meta Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telgum.6071 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 As a Revenant enjoyer I can't think on anything more disgusting than Renegade being half the good in PvP that it is in WvW. Having a Harbinger in each game is more than enough, please do not also bring the shortbow power+condi pressure while being fairly tanky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Renegade is just not a Dueling Specialisation. I don't see a problem with that...... You have two other Elites to pick from that can duel so just leave Renegade to WvW Zergs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: Renegade is just not a Dueling Specialisation. I don't see a problem with that...... You have two other Elites to pick from that can duel so just leave Renegade to WvW Zergs. Why? Every e-spec should be somewhat viable in sPvP. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Morwath.9817 said: Why? Every e-spec should be somewhat viable in sPvP. No.... I mean should a pure support spec like Druid be viable in 2v2. Renegade has alot of AoE which is useless in most sPvP settings, in WvW though it is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noiwk.2760 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 if anything.. buff necros .. . who are now pure poop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: No.... I mean should a pure support spec like Druid be viable in 2v2. Renegade has alot of AoE which is useless in most sPvP settings, in WvW though it is amazing. WvW isn't sPvP, so WvW balance is irrevelant here. All specs should be re-balanced to have their niche in each game mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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