Zuko.7132 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 On 2/21/2023 at 8:55 AM, Sahne.6950 said: cele needs a hefty shave in its total stats. 2 or 3 years ago they added conc and Expertise to cele. Instead of lowering the other values to keep to totalnumber of stats where it was, they just added conc and Expertise ontop for free, which lead to the most statbloated statallocation ever. And this is also the problem if you ask me. but we all need to sit down and realize... that wvw isnt balanced for smallscale. Personally i have made my inner piece with thinking that cele is a tool that anet gave to roamers to hold its ground in outnumbered situations... for example when you are 4 guys all running cele and there is a 10 man puggroup coming to take your tower.... there is a possible chance that the 4 celeguys will win this. The same thing would be impossible with marauder, because numbers just matter so much nowadays... BUT CELE CAN BRIDGE THIS GAP. if you get into that mentality and finally start joining the other noobs that run cele... the grass is alot greener. tldr: if you dont rune cele in 2023... are you even roaming? I roam in full zerk with eagle runes on my war. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kozumi.5816 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Sadly this will never get changed as slow sustainy fights is their vision for WvW. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarzAttakz.9608 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Sure, remove it: - after every profession has equalised base stats for a start or a small variance for thematic purposes but base stat total = the same for everyone - boons and conditions have been balanced across the board (both efficacy and availability, alacrity and quickness removed) - every weapon has clearly been categorised as either Support, Power or Condi. Level the playing field, let us choose what to specialise in. Let rock be rock, scissor be scissor and paper be paper. Let the games begin. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix.9614 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 15 hours ago, MarzAttakz.9608 said: Sure, remove it: - after every profession has equalised base stats for a start or a small variance for thematic purposes but base stat total = the same for everyone - boons and conditions have been balanced across the board (both efficacy and availability, alacrity and quickness removed) - every weapon has clearly been categorised as either Support, Power or Condi. Level the playing field, let us choose what to specialise in. Let rock be rock, scissor be scissor and paper be paper. Let the games begin. But, but, guild wars 2 has no mmo trinity, she is so unique, different from the other gurls 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timelord.8190 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 I think you have better luck convincing your opponents to not run celestial gear than Anet. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakeneko.5826 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/21/2023 at 4:19 PM, Dr Meta.3158 said: I'm wondering if it would be easier if wvw was designed like castle sieges/territory wars from Lineage 2 in which they take place for a set 2 hours at specific dates. In those no one worries about 1v1s and small-scale pvp because all of it is large scale pvp over objectives whereas people who want to 1v1 do olympiad and people who want to do small scale go out to find people to kill in the open world. In that way all the balance around small scale pvp can be relegated to spvp and balance around large scale pvp can be relegated to wvw. Spvp could also use a 1v1 ladder for people who want to do that as well. 500 players in one place would set servers on fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarzAttakz.9608 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 5 hours ago, asterix.9614 said: But, but, guild wars 2 has no mmo trinity, she is so unique, different from the other gurls 🤣 I know right? At least from their original design manifesto. Up until early in release where they started nerfing things because roles were clearly forming and looking at very clear roles present today. They also lost track of their original justifications for the differences in base stats. Using core Ele as an example because it's what I know best: healing skills nerfed because healer role started, low vitality and toughness because of range and access to boons, yet most especs released are melee and now other classes have just as much access to even more boons practically permanently. A very small example and others can be found in all classes. Point being the original parameters that the game was balanced around have been thrown out the window, so to me at least the underlying foundation that was built upon those parameters no longer apply and should be reworked. It would also simplify the current balance teams job because there are fewer variables to deal with and more focus can be placed on traits, class mechanics and weapon skills. Anyway, just sharing my perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorani.7205 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On that topic I can only repeat what I wrote in a similarly named thread about a a month ago: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarzAttakz.9608 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Gorani.7205 said: On that topic I can only repeat what I wrote in a similarly named thread about a a month ago: Exactly! Don't blame Celestial when it's the scope creep that's the problem. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaveOnYou.2819 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 people want ele be one shot by their rangers and they are so pissed of bcs they cant. sorry guys ele players wont be downstate meme anymore, good luck. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riba.3271 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) My suggestion Concentration: Lower from 1% boon duration per 15 -> 25 concentration in WvW Also rebalances Minstrel Expertise: Lower from 1% condi duration per 15 -> 21 expertise in WvW Expected drop in boon duration: 17%, about 11% of total with runes Expected drop in condi duration: 12%, about 8% of total. Edited February 27, 2023 by Riba.3271 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creativity.3816 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Other games limit the number of healers. Wvw doesn't. So it's clear to see why 3 to 5 decent Cele players with or without healers that just mindlessly spam aoes while feeling seemingly unkillable could be frustrating If you mean 1v1, then some Cele user hits maybe two or three skills and immobs you for what, 10 seconds, which is a long enough time for them to get you to like, half hp... And then they have to do it again to kill you. Imo all Cele does is force condi clears and cleansing sigils etc. on every build... so in a game about builds and alternative playstyles, Cele just restricts everyone else's options which is bad game design. In what game is the jack of all trades style of play also the most oppressive? Basically none imo. I don't see why they don't experiment with shaving 2-5% off Cele stats here and there, like they do with necro axe. Maybe the precious skill clicking pve playerbase would complain they lost 2% of their dps? Idk 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solemn.9670 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/25/2023 at 5:52 AM, Arheundel.6451 said: It never ends....player's complaining never ends indeed. They cried to remove celestial from PvP as it would make the game balanced at least...they then moved to durability runes..remove it and the game would be balanced..........then they moved to mercenary amulet...remove it and the game would be balanced...then the whining moved mender..remove it and the game would be balanced....then they moved to knight/cavaliers...remove them and the game would be balanced...they then moved to trapper runes etc etc....then quickness sigil....then trapper runes.........It never kittening ends...it never does....MMO players these days are the epitome of entitlement and toxicity....what after celestial? Crusader? Minstrel?Trailblazer?......Shall we just play naked with a rock? The reality is nobody asking anybody to 1v1 for 10m in the middle of nowher, WvW is server vs server gamemode; people who enjoy to 1v1 for hours should just go in the Sanctum and organize their own tournament with rules Actually, I'll answer that. What after Celestial? Trailblazers. Get rid of both and you won't hear a peep from me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solemn.9670 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 13 hours ago, RaveOnYou.2819 said: people want ele be one shot by their rangers and they are so pissed of bcs they cant. sorry guys ele players wont be downstate meme anymore, good luck. (WvW) Ele being oppressed by every other class and then immediately blamed for everything under the sun after reluctant buffs for the last 3 years is a separate issue. Cele being this powerful is bad for us all and just gives those who blame ele for their incompetence even more fuel for their fire, because for once their complaint is valid: cele IS disgusting in it's current form lol 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kozumi.5816 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 6:33 AM, asterix.9614 said: But, but, guild wars 2 has no mmo trinity, she is so unique, different from the other gurls 🤣 It has a trinity, it's just a much worse version of the standard trinity. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrew.3059 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) On 2/25/2023 at 10:52 AM, Arheundel.6451 said: It never ends....player's complaining never ends indeed. They cried to remove celestial from PvP as it would make the game balanced at least...they then moved to durability runes..remove it and the game would be balanced..........then they moved to mercenary amulet...remove it and the game would be balanced...then the whining moved mender..remove it and the game would be balanced....then they moved to knight/cavaliers...remove them and the game would be balanced...they then moved to trapper runes etc etc....then quickness sigil....then trapper runes.........It never kittening ends...it never does....MMO players these days are the epitome of entitlement and toxicity....what after celestial? Crusader? Minstrel?Trailblazer?......Shall we just play naked with a rock? Certain people will complain and keep complaining so long as they aren’t having fun. Unfortunately for the rest of us, some subset of these people have very specific requirements about how long a fight should last and who should win (spoiler alert: it’s not you). Anything that doesn’t fall in line with these expectations is problematic and should be removed. Edited February 27, 2023 by shrew.3059 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 hours ago, solemn.9670 said: Actually, I'll answer that. What after Celestial? Trailblazers. Get rid of both and you won't hear a peep from me. Oh oh I can continue. What after trailblazers? Marauders. Death to anything beyond 3 stat gear. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarzAttakz.9608 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Oh oh I can continue. What after trailblazers? Marauders. Death to anything beyond 3 stat gear. Why draw the line at all? Let's just fight naked? (Solemn isn't invited). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, MarzAttakz.9608 said: Why draw the line at all? Let's just fight naked? (Solemn isn't invited). Noodles for all! lol, you would think by now people would stop and ask, how did we get the Feb Nerf bat to everyone? Because paper called out rock and scissors agreed. If you find outlying skills, bring them up in the class forums. If you really think the armor sets makes all unkillable monsters of destruction, play it, show it off and try it on all elites and classes. But if you really think one build armor stat rules roaming, havoc and zerg. Please share it. Not seeing it myself so maybe I am missing out. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotride.2187 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 13 hours ago, solemn.9670 said: Actually, I'll answer that. What after Celestial? Trailblazers. Get rid of both and you won't hear a peep from me. I'm not even bothered by trailblazers. IMO its a fine option for a condi build. It gives the amount of bunkering needed to apply condis that will maybe stick... without making the build immortal like cele. But yeah the logic "but if you remove cele what else will you remove" is mental. This is a thread about cele. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) Why not everyone in WvW be locked into Celestial Gear. - No Condi vs Power discussions because everyone will be building hybrid damage builds. - People will run a Condi pressure weapon swap and a Power pressure weapon swap. - Everyone is tankier by default so no more q.q about being bursted. - Everyone has decently good sustain. - Everyone will be able to play WvW without needing to build specific Exotic/Ascended set for it. Spoiler In case it just flies right over your head, it's obviously sarcasm. Edited February 28, 2023 by Yasai.3549 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarzAttakz.9608 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 33 minutes ago, Yasai.3549 said: Why not everyone in WvW be locked into Celestial Gear. - No Condi vs Power discussions because everyone will be building hybrid damage builds. - People will run a Condi pressure weapon swap and a Power pressure weapon swap. - Everyone is tankier by default so no more q.q about being bursted. - Everyone has decently good sustain. - Everyone will be able to play WvW without needing to build specific Exotic/Ascended set for it. Reveal hidden contents In case it just flies right over your head, it's obviously sarcasm. Sarcasm aside, I would actually enjoy a week of this, kinda like the no-downstate week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, MarzAttakz.9608 said: Sarcasm aside, I would actually enjoy a week of this, kinda like the no-downstate week. No-gear-no-siege-no-elites-friendly fire on-collision on-week? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZTeamG.4603 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Dawdler.8521 said: No-gear-no-siege-no-elites-friendly fire on-collision on-week? Add "no target-caps week" to the list and you've got my vote. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Dawdler.8521 said: No-gear-no-siege-no-elites-friendly fire on-collision on-week? In like Flynn! But do we have to PvD doors or are there also no gates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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